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#1 Apr 15 2011 at 3:01 AM Rating: Excellent
I have had two tortoises for just over a year now. They're only 2 years old and pretty small, maybe 3-4" long.

One of them is your normal, typical tortoise. Pretty lazy, doesn't move a lot, looks at you with an air of disdain and cynicism. If you've visited a zoo and had a tortoise stare at you, you'll know what I mean.

The other one... is a complete ******. It's the most active tortoise I've ever seen. It literally runs everywhere, always in a straight line (regardless of what's in the way - plants, rocks, other tortoises) and often flips itself over, meaning if we weren't around to flip it back, it'd be totally screwed.

It also walks into glass (after a year of being in the terrarium it still hasn't figured out that it can't actually walk past the invisible barrier of doom separating it from its nice warm tank and certain death) and tries to sleep ON TOP of the other tortoise on a regular basis.

I know animals have personalities and all, but I find it bizarre that these two little things can be so, so different...
#2 Apr 15 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
Get a couple of cats! Now there you have personalities! Animals like people come in all varieties and levels of intelligence. Sometimes the dumb carefree ones have the best lives. Sure they tend to die faster. But thats the way things are.
#3 Apr 15 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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It also walks into glass
I had a Golden Retriever that did the same thing. The sad thing, beyond that weird quirk it was the smartest dog I'd have ever interacted with. Learned how to sit, walk, roll over and was house broken in record time. Would grab his leash and run for the glass door if you asked him if he wanted to walk and *WHAM* right into the glass.

Also hid when anyone said bath.
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#4 Apr 15 2011 at 6:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nixnot is a golden retriever?
#5 Apr 15 2011 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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Get a couple of cats! Now there you have personalities! Animals like people come in all varieties and levels of intelligence. Sometimes the dumb carefree ones have the best lives. Sure they tend to die faster. But thats the way things are.


Cats are rubbish.
#6 Apr 15 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Likibiki wrote:
Tailmon wrote:
Get a couple of cats! Now there you have personalities! Animals like people come in all varieties and levels of intelligence. Sometimes the dumb carefree ones have the best lives. Sure they tend to die faster. But thats the way things are.


Cats are rubbish.


This...I have two of them, but I would trade them both for almost any type of dog.
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#7 Apr 15 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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What kind of tortoises? We had a russian box tortoise that would always try to 'burrow' in his tank, and he kept swimming into the glass all night long, thumping. That guy was quite the character for a tortoise.

We ended up giving him to my parents because he didnt seem to be doing well in our apt at the time. My mom would let him run around in the backyard when she was outside, and one time forgot to bring him in. She went out and searched and couldnt find him. Then of course we were hit with near record lows for the time of year (i think low 40s in the summer or something) and it was rainy. He was lost for 7 days, and my mom put up signs looking for a lost tortoise. I went over there to visit and checked out his favorite burrowing spot in the backyard, sure enough i could see a little bit of a shell under the dirt. And he was just chillin like a boss out there.
#8 Apr 15 2011 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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I have a 3/4 Timber Wolf and 1/4 German Sheppard, he is pretty smart. I taught him sit, shake, lay, come, and stay. He listens for the most part, sometimes he has a defiant streak in him and refuses to come, mainly when other dogs are around outside.

He has learned when I say "want to go potty" to run to the door, I would say the best thing he does is when I say 'lets get a bath" he goes to the bathroom and sits in the shower, awaiting his bath. He doesn't like it, but he knows he's gonna get it anyways.

Although he has his quirks, he licks the sidewalk at times, not sure why, maybe coke was spilled on it at one point or something else. The only thing I dislike and he is almost broke of it, is he eats cat **** on occasion. Drives me insane.

My ferret is pretty smart too, along with my chinchilla. I've never seen an animal that could figure out so many ways to escape from there cage. My Savannah monitor is pretty intelligent. He knows when I'm calling him for food, comes out and play some, just still a wee aggressive at times, that is might fault to some degree. I need to tame him down a bit more.

The animal I have that has the most personality though I would say would be my leopard geckos.
#9 Apr 15 2011 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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What kind of tortoises? We had a russian box tortoise that would always try to 'burrow' in his tank, and he kept swimming into the glass all night long, thumping. That guy was quite the character for a tortoise.

We ended up giving him to my parents because he didnt seem to be doing well in our apt at the time. My mom would let him run around in the backyard when she was outside, and one time forgot to bring him in. She went out and searched and couldnt find him. Then of course we were hit with near record lows for the time of year (i think low 40s in the summer or something) and it was rainy. He was lost for 7 days, and my mom put up signs looking for a lost tortoise. I went over there to visit and checked out his favorite burrowing spot in the backyard, sure enough i could see a little bit of a shell under the dirt. And he was just chillin like a boss out there.


Hermann Tortoises. They're little burrowers too :)

They haven't really been outside that much. I'm still living with the parents and Dad's been "doing the garden up" for years now... there's not really anywhere for them to go. We do let them run in the conservatory when it's warm, though.

Hopefully when I've moved out (fingers crossed by the summer) they can play out a lot more. But it's just too cold in the UK right now, and they also can't really be left on their own in case of rogue animals (again we come back to cats).

As I type this, again he is walking from one end of the terrarium to the other, poking the glass as he goes. Over and over...
#10 Apr 15 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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My cat has this tendency to lick the windows in the winter, and in true fashion his fur on his head looks like a helmet.

Pretty sure my cat is also retarded.
#11 Apr 15 2011 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
My Himalayan cat is pretty dumb/has no fear. Hes super nice but he has a bad habit of just randomly leaping off/into stuff at full force.

My tabby cat on the other hand is extremely smart. He figured out to open the one way cat door from the locked side, and a lot of other stuff.
#12 Apr 16 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a 3/4 Timber Wolf and 1/4 German Sheppard, he is pretty smart.

Interesting. I saw a science clip that compared the intelligence of wolves and dogs. Apparently wolves are more intelligent overall. They can solve puzzles to grab the meat at the centre of the puzzle much faster than all types of dogs. Dog breeds are so incredibly various that dog intelligence varies wildly with the breed.

But although dog brains are smaller and appear overall less functional, dogs have a social intelligence associated with humans that wolves don't. If a human points, almost all dogs always look at what the human is pointing at. If the dog knows there is a choice of containers, one that contains meat, and a human points at one container, the dog will almost always go to the container pointed at, reaping the meaty reward. Some dog breeds are smarter than others, or pay more heed to human gestures.

However, wolves don't have that human link in their logic chain. When offered containers, one of which the wolf knows contains meat, the wolf disregards any gestures by a human at the containers, and chooses for itself, only succeeding at a statistically random rate.
#13 Apr 16 2011 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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DecendentMonk wrote:
I have a 3/4 Timber Wolf and 1/4 German Sheppard, he is pretty smart.

Interesting. I saw a science clip that compared the intelligence of wolves and dogs. Apparently wolves are more intelligent overall. They can solve puzzles to grab the meat at the centre of the puzzle much faster than all types of dogs. Dog breeds are so incredibly various that dog intelligence varies wildly with the breed.

But although dog brains are smaller and appear overall less functional, dogs have a social intelligence associated with humans that wolves don't. If a human points, almost all dogs always look at what the human is pointing at. If the dog knows there is a choice of containers, one that contains meat, and a human points at one container, the dog will almost always go to the container pointed at, reaping the meaty reward. Some dog breeds are smarter than others, or pay more heed to human gestures.

However, wolves don't have that human link in their logic chain. When offered containers, one of which the wolf knows contains meat, the wolf disregards any gestures by a human at the containers, and chooses for itself, only succeeding at a statistically random rate.


That is interesting, thank you for sharing that. He does seem to have his own ways at times. Like getting in to trouble (mainly tearing up the house while my wife and I are gone). It's odd, I can get on to him as much as I want and discipline him and he won't stop. Other dogs I've seen they get disciplined and they will stop. He may stop for a week, but then he does it all over again.

Never really paid attention to the food ordeal, normally I just put my plate on the floor and he licks it clean. I may have to try that with him and see what he does.

But he is intelligent, I can tell him to not mess with my plate and he will leave it alone, he still wants the food on it, but he won't mess with it till I give him food from it. When we are playing around and he starts to get to rough (I won't say aggressive, because he just starts playing harder and biting more) I can tell him that is enough, and he stops and just wants to be petted.

He is very timid, he loves people, other dogs, and other animals. Him and my ferret play all the time. Him and the cats play as well, although I don't think the cats like it as much as the ferret. I figure if someone ever broke in he would kick into guard dog mode, but I don't know. He really loves people. I often joke with my wife and tell her he may like someone to death, but that would be about it. He weighs I would say close to 100 pounds and yet he is a big baby. Not that I don't want him to be timid, I just hope if anyone ever breaks in, he knows not to be as timid with them.

But thank you again for sharing that, it is very interesting to see how different one animal is from another, yet they are still in the same family.
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#15 Apr 17 2011 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
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Whaaah, that made me want to cry.

Apparently cats who are raised in a room with no vertical lines for a few crucial weeks while they are kittens can never learn to climb things. That window of brain development just passes them by.
#16 Apr 18 2011 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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My two dogs are like night and day, but I love them both so much.

The Shih Tzu is a little dumb, adorable (often on accident), and content to just lay at my feet nomming on a plush toy. The Shepherd, on the other hand, is a brilliant dog, connivingly cute, and just so goddamn eager to please. I enjoy making crazy facial expressions that confuse her. The one thing that I don't understand is, when the weather is bad, she will give no notification that she needs to go outside, and will go sneak off somewhere (or do it right behind you). She'd rather spend the day in her kennel for punishment than go outside in the cold rain for 5-10 mins. Whenever the weather goes through changes (like now, it's been rainy and cold the last week), she almost completely loses her house training. Just yesterday, she went outside and did her duties, and 10 minutes later she was inside doing it on the floor. She's not quite a year and a half, but considering how smart she is and how quickly the core of her house training went (less than a month), it's just astounding. She went from being a barn dog to being a 99% "I need to be inside!" dog - she lived the first couple months of her life in a barn in the middle of winter. For the first couple of months after we brought her home, she greeted the couch as if it were another being in the house. Nothing says comfort like a warm, dry, soft place to jump up and down on.

I'm hoping as she gets older and get used to the crazy weather swings here something will click. She has to be psyching herself out because there's no way she's not smart enough to understand "10-15 minutes total outside today, or 5 extra hours in my kennel...."

And then, on the other hand, the Shih tzu loves nothing more than being outside and peeing on things. You know, I was watching something on TV recently lol, it was American Idol. One of the girls auditioning referred to her family and Shih tzu, and they bleeped out the "shih t-" part. Really? Do people really get offended by a dog breed? What's next, if I say coonhound will I get bant?



Oh, and more tl;dr for Ari - I caught a short clip recently about how scientists are using monkeys? chimps? (I am not sure which species - I only caught a very little of it) and seeing if they can train a dog and if a dog will listen to them. So far, for the simple tasks, like pointing to food etc, it is working. Pretty interesting. I wish I would have seen more. I want to see an excited monkey because it got a big furry predator to listen to him. Dogs are pretty amazing.
#17 Apr 18 2011 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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Do people really get offended by a dog breed? What's next, if I say coonhound will I get bant?



People get offended by anything they can potentially sue over, and take your hatespeech somewhere else :P
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#18 Apr 18 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Love the chimp/monkey to dog training experiment. At moment dogs have an average capacity vocabulary of 1000 human words they can recognise when engaged properly.

Then there was the case of the ape in a zoo somewhere that they taught sign language, and to communicate via large sign-language alternative pitures on buttons on keyboards, so that she could communicate over the internet. I bet she got really sick of school children asking "Do you like bananas?". I forget how large her vocabulary was, but it was pretty significant for an animal, and certainly large enough for her to communicate effectively at a simple level with her zoo keepers.

The really cool thing about her is she had a daughter, and her habitat cage was large enough that she could hide her kid away at the back in the bushes. The keepers mostly left her to it. One day the daughter ape astounded and thrilled the keepers by coming out and asking for a specific type of food in sign language. The keepers hadn't taught her any sign language; her mother ape had.
#19 Apr 18 2011 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
Akira is amazing me at how smart she is. She's three months old and she knows what she can chew on and what she isn't allowed to chew on. That doesn't stop her from trying, but if she sees me watching her, she'll walk up to it, look at me, then hop away really quickly. It's freaking adorable.

I've taught her how to sit for a piece of cheese. Now if you go in the kitchen, she'll follow you around and when you look down at her, she sits at your feet and stares up at you with those big brown eyes as if to say, "See? I'm sitting! Cheese, please!"

I <3 her so much...
#20 Apr 18 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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I've taught her how to sit for a piece of cheese. Now if you go in the kitchen, she'll follow you around and when you look down at her, she sits at your feet and stares up at you with those big brown eyes as if to say, "See? I'm sitting! Cheese, please!"


This is exactly how Butters begs. He sits at your feet all innocently, with the most loving saucer eyes, penetrating your soul with "FOOD NOM I AM GOOD BOY". If he's getting on my nerves while I'm trying to eat, and I give him a gentle scolding, he lays down and faces away from me, as if to say "I understand that you're not going to offer me anything, but I'm not leaving in case something happens to fall on the floor..."

Dexter, on the other hand, likes to get all up in my business when I'm in the kitchen. She knows the only safe spot for her to be is watching nervously from her kennel. It's so funny that she punishes herself usually when she knows she's behaved badly.
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