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#1 Feb 07 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Hardly an original complaint, but noticing how bad the situation honestly is has got me down, way down.

I got a speeding ticket some time back, which I am almost through taking care of. However to do so, I needed to go to the courthouse to get a form to allow me to taking a defensive driving course, to submit that form, and also request a driving record form to submit in addition. I don't feel I've adequately described how awful this experience was, as I can see how the entire process (save the defensive driving course) could have and probably should have been taken care of in a single step with one visit to the courthouse. I found requesting my driving record to be especially pointless, as I was able to do it within 2 minutes online, something the courthouse clerk could have easily from her computer and had the city waste far less time on me.

I'm not aggravated because this is inconvenient for me. I'm aggravated because this is inconvenient for the city, and the process could be streamlined to save both time and money for it. And no, there is nothing I'm missing that would prevent them from doing so. This is a completely solvable problem.

I'm not sure how to best describe what I'm feeling and why I'm feeling this way. I've nearly entirely shutdown, locked in a loop of wondering why something would do something so obviously wrong. I can't understand a world that won't make sense.
#2 Feb 07 2011 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
Allegory has a car? I thought you just teleported everywhere! Bubbles burst.



ps- sorry!
#3 Feb 07 2011 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
I had to deal with a similar situation a couple of months ago, and the most frustrating thing was the complete lack of communication between different departments, even though they are directly related to each other (e.g. traffic courts/fine processing/revenue office). I got sent on wild goose chases multiple times because the employees had no idea what was going on. The complete inefficiency of it all just baffled me.
#4 Feb 07 2011 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Um, how fast were you going that you had to take a driving course? The last ticket I got all I had to do was fill out a short form and mail them a check.
#5 Feb 07 2011 at 10:53 PM Rating: Excellent
Turin wrote:
Um, how fast were you going that you had to take a driving course? The last ticket I got all I had to do was fill out a short form and mail them a check.


You can take a driver safety course to keep the ticket from going on your record and therefore raising your insurance rates.
#6 Feb 07 2011 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Turin wrote:
Um, how fast were you going that you had to take a driving course? The last ticket I got all I had to do was fill out a short form and mail them a check.


You can take a driver safety course to keep the ticket from going on your record and therefore raising your insurance rates.


Yeah, I didn't have that option. I could either plead guilty and pay the fine, or plead not guilty and go to court to dispute the ticket. Since I was speeding at the time, I sent them and check and that was the end of it.

Well, that and the two points that went on to my license, but those have been gone for years now. I'm not sure how prevalent the points system is in other states, so it's possible that you have no idea what I'm talking about.
#7 Feb 08 2011 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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Poor Allegory. I can see that your mind has shut down into a loop of disturbia by the breakdown in your typed language. I sincerely empathise. While I now understand people, and society, and how bureaucracy got built up; going and finding/doing something on a PC that isn't immediately obvious to my navigation skills can lead to me literally keening and rocking in my chair. Macs make sense to me. PCs don't. This may be my own idiosyncrasy, but it's a rotten shame I worked out that I could navigate a Mad just fine SFTER I dropped all my discretionary savings on a big gaming PC.

As for bureaucracies, it's a simple matter of accretion over time vs an all-in-one design. Organisations keep adding "good ideas" to the already present systems. Since they weren't designed in tandem/symbiosis to begin with, this results in multi-part systems. Unfortunately people don't have the intestinal fortitude (or the funds) to completely redesign systems as a working whole when new criteria are desired, then go ahead and utterly destroy the old one, and replace it with the new improved version.

Occasionally steps are made to unify things, but this can be resisted by a populous suspicious of "Big Brother". When electronic cards first came in, the government in Australia suggested that people could be issued with an electronic card that would have all their relevant government info on it, and it would be a one-card-access for all government institutions and services. This would have been so efficient, but it was shot down by a vast majority who regarded it as an "identity card". Australia and Australians have never had or tolerated a compulsory identity card. Police officers can demand to see your driver's licence, but as a leveller you can demand to see and record their serial number whenever you please.

#8REDACTED, Posted: Feb 08 2011 at 7:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ever heard the term don't do the crime if your not willing to do the time?
#9 Feb 08 2011 at 7:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that the system is so slow to help keep you from speeding by making it too annoying to deal with the paperwork required.
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#10 Feb 08 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Default
Try fighting a ticket. It's an adventure! I gurantee it!
#11 Feb 08 2011 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that the system is so slow to help keep you from speeding by making it too annoying to deal with the paperwork required.
Seriously. I mean, I'd buy "It's infuriating so you'll just pay the ticket rather than dealing with going to court.", but this is just silly.
#12 Feb 08 2011 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that the system is so slow to help keep you from speeding by making it too annoying to deal with the paperwork required.
Seriously. I mean, I'd buy "It's infuriating so you'll just pay the ticket rather than dealing with going to court.", but this is just silly.

Essentially, this is what Tailmon was trying to say, but managed to butcher the only way s/he knows how.
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#13 Feb 10 2011 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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So at first I thought Allegory said was barracudas. I am slightly disappointed.

Last year after about 1 month of owning my awesome 1986 Toyota MR2 I was pulled over by the police because they thought the car was stolen. It would have been cool but there were 4 cops and they all had their pistols drawn at me.

I think I rather deal with paperwork then having 4 guns aimed at my head. I still think the cops messed up because they told me my car via DMV was flagged as stolen and also that I didn't have a front license plate (I actually did have both plates) and it was standard procedure to have guns out with stolen cars. Well I called the DMV and they said everything was normal.

I don't really like the San Diego PD.
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