This is NJ we don;t follow the rules. Not sure the extent of layoffs, but every person I have talked to that is a teacher says this is a ***** time to become one. I have found two more courses:
Network+/CCNA from the site "Network + and Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour Brookdale certificate program that will allow you to become proficient in internetworking basics, LAN and WAN technology, TCP/IP protocol, Cisco router Command Line Interface, and more."
Security+/Juniper Systems from the site "Security+ and Juniper Systems is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour, Brookdale certificate program where you will learn to provide essential security to organizations against attacks on intellectual property, hackers, theft, and various other security vulnerabilities. Students will also learn internetworking basics, configuration protocol for LANs and WANs, and more. "
Security gives you a basic networking background but Network gives a Cisco background. Is CCNA a big thing to have?
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Hallertau wrote:
This is NJ we don;t follow the rules. Not sure the extent of layoffs, but every person I have talked to that is a teacher says this is a sh*te time to become one. I have found two more courses:
Network+/CCNA from the site "Network + and Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour Brookdale certificate program that will allow you to become proficient in internetworking basics, LAN and WAN technology, TCP/IP protocol, Cisco router Command Line Interface, and more."
Security+/Juniper Systems from the site "Security+ and Juniper Systems is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour, Brookdale certificate program where you will learn to provide essential security to organizations against attacks on intellectual property, hackers, theft, and various other security vulnerabilities. Students will also learn internetworking basics, configuration protocol for LANs and WANs, and more. "
Security gives you a basic networking background but Network gives a Cisco background. Is CCNA a big thing to have?
Network+/CCNA from the site "Network + and Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour Brookdale certificate program that will allow you to become proficient in internetworking basics, LAN and WAN technology, TCP/IP protocol, Cisco router Command Line Interface, and more."
Security+/Juniper Systems from the site "Security+ and Juniper Systems is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour, Brookdale certificate program where you will learn to provide essential security to organizations against attacks on intellectual property, hackers, theft, and various other security vulnerabilities. Students will also learn internetworking basics, configuration protocol for LANs and WANs, and more. "
Security gives you a basic networking background but Network gives a Cisco background. Is CCNA a big thing to have?
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
This. Those are both very good certs to have.
Yodabunny wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
This. Those are both very good certs to have.
Doubleplusyup. You'll be much much better able to understand the security stuff if you have also/already taken the networking stuff. Something to think about. If it's possible to take them sequentially, I'd take them in that order.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
I'd just like to point out to you Sora, that you're looking at some ridiculously boring career choices here.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Hallertau wrote:
This is NJ we don;t follow the rules. Not sure the extent of layoffs, but every person I have talked to that is a teacher says this is a sh*te time to become one. I have found two more courses:
Network+/CCNA from the site "Network + and Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour Brookdale certificate program that will allow you to become proficient in internetworking basics, LAN and WAN technology, TCP/IP protocol, Cisco router Command Line Interface, and more."
Security+/Juniper Systems from the site "Security+ and Juniper Systems is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour, Brookdale certificate program where you will learn to provide essential security to organizations against attacks on intellectual property, hackers, theft, and various other security vulnerabilities. Students will also learn internetworking basics, configuration protocol for LANs and WANs, and more. "
Security gives you a basic networking background but Network gives a Cisco background. Is CCNA a big thing to have?
Network+/CCNA from the site "Network + and Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour Brookdale certificate program that will allow you to become proficient in internetworking basics, LAN and WAN technology, TCP/IP protocol, Cisco router Command Line Interface, and more."
Security+/Juniper Systems from the site "Security+ and Juniper Systems is an intensive, instructor led, 160-hour, Brookdale certificate program where you will learn to provide essential security to organizations against attacks on intellectual property, hackers, theft, and various other security vulnerabilities. Students will also learn internetworking basics, configuration protocol for LANs and WANs, and more. "
Security gives you a basic networking background but Network gives a Cisco background. Is CCNA a big thing to have?
Certs help but to be late to the party (because I can only report on the hubby) an AA in computer stuff if you like it, gets you a foot in the door and most companies like hiring those they have invested in (at least here). And then you get the xp they want you to have. Once you are in they might pony up for the certs.
gbaji wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
This. Those are both very good certs to have.
Doubleplusyup. You'll be much much better able to understand the security stuff if you have also/already taken the networking stuff. Something to think about. If it's possible to take them sequentially, I'd take them in that order.
That's the plan, take Network CCNA which the state pays for $4,000 and in the future hopefully after finding a decent job paying for the Securities course, another $4,000.
@Ugly, I'm done trying to find fun and rewarding careers.
Hallertau wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
This. Those are both very good certs to have.
Doubleplusyup. You'll be much much better able to understand the security stuff if you have also/already taken the networking stuff. Something to think about. If it's possible to take them sequentially, I'd take them in that order.
That's the plan, take Network CCNA which the state pays for $4,000 and in the future hopefully after finding a decent job paying for the Securities course, another $4,000.
@Ugly, I'm done trying to find fun and rewarding careers.
Just a heads up: since you'll be starting at the bottom of the IT food chain even with the training, you may have to work a Tech Support Rep job at a call center for a year or two to build up your experience and resume.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Hallertau wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Yes, and you should sign up for both.
This. Those are both very good certs to have.
Doubleplusyup. You'll be much much better able to understand the security stuff if you have also/already taken the networking stuff. Something to think about. If it's possible to take them sequentially, I'd take them in that order.
That's the plan, take Network CCNA which the state pays for $4,000 and in the future hopefully after finding a decent job paying for the Securities course, another $4,000.
@Ugly, I'm done trying to find fun and rewarding careers.
Just a heads up: since you'll be starting at the bottom of the IT food chain even with the training, you may have to work a Tech Support Rep job at a call center for a year or two to build up your experience and resume.
Really or are you just ******* around?
Edited, Jan 14th 2011 7:50am by Hallertau
I told you this **** was boring.
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Hallertau wrote:
Really or are you just @#%^ing around?
Really. It's why I was telling you to go into the other course. The IT industry is saturated. You might get lucky, but it'd have to be really really lucky. Most likely you'll be doing tech support for a good bit and you'll be competing with a whole bunch of overqualified people for that.
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Just a heads up: since you'll be starting at the bottom of the IT food chain even with the training, you may have to work a Tech Support Rep job at a call center for a year or two to build up your experience and resume.
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
Keep in mind, this is NJ the land of a million businesses that think TCP/IP is a chain of yogurt stands.
Hallertau wrote:
think TCP/IP is a chain of yogurt stands.
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Hallertau wrote:
think TCP/IP is a chain of yogurt stands.
a Venereal Disease
Kaain wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Just a heads up: since you'll be starting at the bottom of the IT food chain even with the training, you may have to work a Tech Support Rep job at a call center for a year or two to build up your experience and resume.
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
With an Associates you can aim to start as a field engineer. That nets you more on the job experience and the ability to move up faster.
*edited because I can't spell
Edited, Jan 14th 2011 1:28pm by eiran
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Hallertau wrote:
think TCP/IP is a chain of yogurt stands.
A band that doesn't know how magnets work.
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eiran wrote:
Kaain wrote:
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
With an Associates you can aim to start as a field engineer. That nets you more on the job experience and the ability to move up faster.
With the CS degree or with what Sora is looking at?
Kaain wrote:
eiran wrote:
Kaain wrote:
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
With an Associates you can aim to start as a field engineer. That nets you more on the job experience and the ability to move up faster.
With the CS degree or with what Sora is looking at?
Probably a degree
Hallertau wrote:
Kaain wrote:
eiran wrote:
Kaain wrote:
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
With an Associates you can aim to start as a field engineer. That nets you more on the job experience and the ability to move up faster.
With the CS degree or with what Sora is looking at?
Probably a degree
You're getting a degree in Customer Service? That's Hardcore.
Edited, Jan 14th 2011 3:13pm by Shaowstrike
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Hallertau wrote:
Kaain wrote:
eiran wrote:
Kaain wrote:
I'm going back to school Monday for computer science and this is exactly what the counselor told me when I was asking about some of the two year programs.
With an Associates you can aim to start as a field engineer. That nets you more on the job experience and the ability to move up faster.
With the CS degree or with what Sora is looking at?
Probably a degree
I can only talk about the market that I know which is in the south and my cousin's neck of the woods (he works for EMC). A piece of paper can get you in the door with no experience. Associate's, Bachelor's (degree not single guys lol)still start out as an FE (or unless you know someone, knowing people always opens doors). Certifications depends on what it is... I know guys who have a bachelor's in music get a position as an FE and are now system engineers because of experience on the job.
eiran wrote:
I can only talk about the market that I know which is in the south and my cousin's neck of the woods (he works for EMC). A piece of paper can get you in the door with no experience. Associate's, Bachelor's (degree not single guys lol)still start out as an FE (or unless you know someone, knowing people always opens doors). Certifications depends on what it is...
Ahh that's nice to hear. Everyone I've talked to that knows the field strongly advises getting any and as much experience as possible when starting out and that experience trumps a degree. The guy that runs the computer science department said he gets calls pretty regularly looking for people with even associates to begin.
My situation is that I need a better paying job after 2.5 years, but I wanted to study something I can continue online and through night courses once I'm working in the field.
eiran wrote:
I know guys who have a bachelor's in music get a position as an FE and are now system engineers because of experience on the job.
On that note, I just finished an interview with a new roommate and he's moving here to work in geology now that he's about to finish his biomedical engineering degree. I thought that was odd.
Kaain wrote:
On that note, I just finished an interview with a new roommate and he's moving here to work in geology now that he's about to finish his biomedical engineering degree. I thought that was odd.
It's obvious, he's trying to create his own golem.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Kaain wrote:
On that note, I just finished an interview with a new roommate and he's moving here to work in geology now that he's about to finish his biomedical engineering degree. I thought that was odd.
It's obvious, he's trying to create his own golem.
And now for something entirely different...
Kaain wrote:
eiran wrote:
I can only talk about the market that I know which is in the south and my cousin's neck of the woods (he works for EMC). A piece of paper can get you in the door with no experience. Associate's, Bachelor's (degree not single guys lol)still start out as an FE (or unless you know someone, knowing people always opens doors). Certifications depends on what it is...
Ahh that's nice to hear. Everyone I've talked to that knows the field strongly advises getting any and as much experience as possible when starting out and that experience trumps a degree. The guy that runs the computer science department said he gets calls pretty regularly looking for people with even associates to begin.
My situation is that I need a better paying job after 2.5 years, but I wanted to study something I can continue online and through night courses once I'm working in the field.
eiran wrote:
I know guys who have a bachelor's in music get a position as an FE and are now system engineers because of experience on the job.
On that note, I just finished an interview with a new roommate and he's moving here to work in geology now that he's about to finish his biomedical engineering degree. I thought that was odd.
Really depends on the market. Piece of paper is what got the hubby in here. State positions are less flexible than private industry.
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