So with the job market being all blah and ***** I've decided to take advantage of job training from the state. Basically they pay up to $4k for job training and can even pay full tuition if you jump through enough hoops (like if I wanted to go to get a degree). While training they will still pay me my unemployment but not if they pay for college (they actually do not allow you to work).
They have a lot to offer and I have narrowed it down to a few choices, was wondering if people would have any insight on these fields. All these course are provided by accredited institutions (community colleges).
General Electrical/Electronics Equipment Installation and Repair; basic electric repair seems kind of watered down though.
Restaurant Operations Certificate of Achievement; Certificate for Restaurant management, I always wanted to own a restaurant I guess management would be the next best thing and can help if I ever do own one.
Criminal Justice A.S - Police Science Option; this would be a two year degree program. I'd imagine alot of us have dreamed of being a detective, is it a practical career? Maybe not, but seems pretty rewarding (just takes time to get to that point)
Telecommunications Technician; basic install and upkeep of telecommunications equipment and services, radio, cable telephone, radar, etc.
Electronics for Green Jobs; from their website "Circuits similar to those examined in this program are found in automobiles, airplanes, communications and navigation equipment, commercial and consumer audio and video equipment, commercial and consumer appliances, medical equipment, industrial machines, power plants, recycling facilities, water treatment plants, military equipment, robotics, toys and many other high-tech sectors of the economy."
A+; Intro to CompTIA A+ which is basic PC stuff I am sure some here know a bit more about this then me
Electronics Technology Program AAS; Electronics Engineering Technology and Electronic/Computer Technician he Electronics Engineering Technology Option prepares students for employment in the electronics industry. The Electronic/Computer Technician option provides students with the skills to troubleshoot and repair a wide variety of computer systems and digital electronic equipment.
So yeah there you go. All of it would be new to me. I have a basic understanding of PCs and electrical but no real background. As for Criminal Justice and Restaurant Management would be totally new and a new direction in my life. So yeah feel free to let me know if you have any background in the above.
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Hallertau wrote:
So with the job market being all blah and sh*te I've decided to take advantage of job training from the state. Basically they pay up to $4k for job training and can even pay full tuition if you jump through enough hoops (like if I wanted to go to get a degree). While training they will still pay me my unemployment but not if they pay for college (they actually do not allow you to work).
They don't allow you to work if they pay for college? Do they pay for living expenses since you won't get unemployment?
Who the @#%^ are you?
Avoid the restaurants at all costs if you ever want a life outside of it.
Edited, Jan 6th 2011 3:07pm by Uglysasquatch
Avoid the restaurants at all costs if you ever want a life outside of it.
Edited, Jan 6th 2011 3:07pm by Uglysasquatch
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Option 1 puts you in a work van installing cable, servicing printers, installing PA systems etc. Good money if you don't mind driving around and entering people's homes. Very little politics etc. Good work if you like to be left alone and don't have allergies. Pay is scaled to your hours and you typically can work as much as you want.
Option 2 has potential but it's a glass ceiling potential. You won't be managing fancy restaurants you'll be managing Outback, Montana's etc. Decent work if you like the atmosphere and the pay isn't horrible, but financially option 1 is probably better.
Option 3 You'll be a police officer. Meh, if you want to go for it, money is typically ok compared to say managing a restaurant, but you're subject to public opinion and government budgets, and there's a danger factor depending on what exactly your position is.
Option 4 is a more specialized version of option 1, don't take this. Every job you get with this you will qualify for with option 1, option 1 opens more doors.
Option 5 This is a joke. It's option 1 with the word green in it to make it appealing. You're not going to be designing electronics with any of these options so looking at "Green" electronics is no different than regular electronics. Again, option 1.
Option 6 Do you want to work in a call centre?
Option 7 fixing computers in a shop. If you can get a job in a PC shop doing repairs it's decent work. 9-5 stuff, no driving, clean. Sit there with your radio on low and install windows for the 10 bajillionth time. You could probably teach yourself this entire course in a weekend.
Option 2 has potential but it's a glass ceiling potential. You won't be managing fancy restaurants you'll be managing Outback, Montana's etc. Decent work if you like the atmosphere and the pay isn't horrible, but financially option 1 is probably better.
Option 3 You'll be a police officer. Meh, if you want to go for it, money is typically ok compared to say managing a restaurant, but you're subject to public opinion and government budgets, and there's a danger factor depending on what exactly your position is.
Option 4 is a more specialized version of option 1, don't take this. Every job you get with this you will qualify for with option 1, option 1 opens more doors.
Option 5 This is a joke. It's option 1 with the word green in it to make it appealing. You're not going to be designing electronics with any of these options so looking at "Green" electronics is no different than regular electronics. Again, option 1.
Option 6 Do you want to work in a call centre?
Option 7 fixing computers in a shop. If you can get a job in a PC shop doing repairs it's decent work. 9-5 stuff, no driving, clean. Sit there with your radio on low and install windows for the 10 bajillionth time. You could probably teach yourself this entire course in a weekend.
Just a slight modification:
More or less agree with the assessments. I'd point out that while option 4 is more specialized than option 1, it also has the potential to open more doors for you. Specializing in telecommunications electronics rather than just general electronics is not necessarily a bad move. It's the potential difference between operating a signal analyzer in a lab for a major corporation and repairing switches on washing machines.
Yodabunny wrote:
Option 5 This is a joke. It's option 1 with the word green in it to make it appealingqualify for federal "green jobs" funding.
More or less agree with the assessments. I'd point out that while option 4 is more specialized than option 1, it also has the potential to open more doors for you. Specializing in telecommunications electronics rather than just general electronics is not necessarily a bad move. It's the potential difference between operating a signal analyzer in a lab for a major corporation and repairing switches on washing machines.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Personally I would look @ 1/4/7
now 7 confuses me some is that all one course or several. Anyhow. The reason I say those is because they are likely to be in demand for a long long time.
Telecom is a relatively new field (within,the last 20-30 years) and covers cell phones, landlines, cable, fiberoptics, satelites etc. Pretty much anything that sends and receives messages. It will be around for a very very long time. The only issue is since it is a newer field it is very very popular. It is hard to find work in these companies, and since the market is very competitive many companies prefer to hire people with experience. (job experience not just school.)
Either of the Electrical are strong choice too, and are more new employ friendly. Especially considering the majority of current electrical based employees are of the baby boom gen and in the next 10 years many will retire and create job openings. (this applies to most trades).
I would steer clear of resturants, green programs, and anything to do specifically with computers (these fields are very very populated and competitive) and call centers suck, worked in one. It is the ******** job ive ever had.
Personally I just finished 2 electrical courses (technology and engineering) now to wait for the old folks to stop working so I can start.
GL to you though.
now 7 confuses me some is that all one course or several. Anyhow. The reason I say those is because they are likely to be in demand for a long long time.
Telecom is a relatively new field (within,the last 20-30 years) and covers cell phones, landlines, cable, fiberoptics, satelites etc. Pretty much anything that sends and receives messages. It will be around for a very very long time. The only issue is since it is a newer field it is very very popular. It is hard to find work in these companies, and since the market is very competitive many companies prefer to hire people with experience. (job experience not just school.)
Either of the Electrical are strong choice too, and are more new employ friendly. Especially considering the majority of current electrical based employees are of the baby boom gen and in the next 10 years many will retire and create job openings. (this applies to most trades).
I would steer clear of resturants, green programs, and anything to do specifically with computers (these fields are very very populated and competitive) and call centers suck, worked in one. It is the ******** job ive ever had.
Personally I just finished 2 electrical courses (technology and engineering) now to wait for the old folks to stop working so I can start.
GL to you though.
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States were relying on stimulus funding to prop up their police departments (either directly for state police or else via grants to municipalities) and prevent layoffs. I can't imagine that this is a great time for an entry level career in law enforcement/criminal justice.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Man I am so glad that my country didn't get as ****** as yours. I mean we took a hit, but jesus it seems every sector in your country is just ****** atm.
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Jophiel wrote:
States were relying on stimulus funding to prop up their police departments (either directly for state police or else via grants to municipalities) and prevent layoffs. I can't imagine that this is a great time for an entry level career in law enforcement/criminal justice.
And even in normal economic times, those kinds of training classes most often result in a career as a security guard anyway.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Why don't you just pick up and move to a place that has a jorb for you?
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Yodabunny wrote:
Option 3 You'll be
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Iamadam the Malefic wrote:
Why don't you just pick up and move to a place that has a jorb for you?
I haven't been keeping up with my stalking as much as I'd like, but I seem to recall that his wife makes ridiculous money doing something or other related to finance. He'd have to convince her to give that up for the chance he could find a job outside of Jersey. Not that leaving Jersey is a bad thing.
Turin wrote:
Iamadam the Malefic wrote:
Why don't you just pick up and move to a place that has a jorb for you?
I haven't been keeping up with my stalking as much as I'd like, but I seem to recall that his wife makes ridiculous money doing something or other related to finance. He'd have to convince her to give that up for the chance he could find a job outside of Jersey. Not that leaving Jersey is a bad thing.
Pretty much but her company has offices all over the Country so she has been keeping an ear out for possible openings. Be nice to take her salary to an affordable state. I wouldn't have to work then.
I would like working in the field of communications. I have a BA in Communications Radio and Television and it does have a future (maybe not radio but other parts) and have always been interested in how stuff works when it comes to the equipment we use everyday to communicate. Gbaji might be talking about a more advanced field, while my current background is pretty meager, but that is something I wouldn't mind getting into.
Option 4 isn't a horrible thing to take but it does pigeon hole you into a fairly limited industry.
I expect the communications industry workforce will shrink, not grow. As everything goes wireless it will take fewer people to man the posts. Hardware will become more complex, but there'll be less of it and it'll be simpler to use. You won't be designing the stuff with that course so "more complex" doesn't help you. The telecom industry will never die, but it will never boom either and a whole lot of people went into it in the last decade or so. I know people with comm tech degrees that are laying cable right next to the electrical guys because the industry is saturated so they can't get the jobs they were aiming for. Difference is those electrical guys can jump industries when they need to while the comm tech guys are stuck competing for the same pool of jobs.
Doesn't mean that course won't get you a job, option one just gives you a broader range of options and still qualifies you for most of the jobs in telecoms.
I expect the communications industry workforce will shrink, not grow. As everything goes wireless it will take fewer people to man the posts. Hardware will become more complex, but there'll be less of it and it'll be simpler to use. You won't be designing the stuff with that course so "more complex" doesn't help you. The telecom industry will never die, but it will never boom either and a whole lot of people went into it in the last decade or so. I know people with comm tech degrees that are laying cable right next to the electrical guys because the industry is saturated so they can't get the jobs they were aiming for. Difference is those electrical guys can jump industries when they need to while the comm tech guys are stuck competing for the same pool of jobs.
Doesn't mean that course won't get you a job, option one just gives you a broader range of options and still qualifies you for most of the jobs in telecoms.
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I expect the communications industry workforce will shrink, not grow. As everything goes wireless it will take fewer people to man the posts. Hardware will become more complex, but there'll be less of it and it'll be simpler to use. You won't be designing the stuff with that course so "more complex" doesn't help you. The telecom industry will never die, but it will never boom either and a whole lot of people went into it in the last decade or so. I know people with comm tech degrees that are laying cable right next to the electrical guys because the industry is saturated so they can't get the jobs they were aiming for. Difference is those electrical guys can jump industries when they need to while the comm tech guys are stuck competing for the same pool of jobs.
But they will need people to work on the infrastructure.
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Timelordwho wrote:
But they will need people to work on the infrastructure.
There will be less infrastructure hardware to work on than there is now. 10 years or so and you'll start seeing a lot of the current infrastructure being discontinued when it breaks down instead of repaired. Soon enough they'll just shut the whole hardwired system down in favour of a wireless solution. We're currently running both. As far as employment goes the industry has nowhere to go but down.
Yodabunny wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
But they will need people to work on the infrastructure.
There will be less infrastructure hardware to work on than there is now. 10 years or so and you'll start seeing a lot of the current infrastructure being discontinued when it breaks down instead of repaired. Soon enough they'll just shut the whole hardwired system down in favour of a wireless solution. We're currently running both. As far as employment goes the industry has nowhere to go but down.
Uh, cell towers are infrastructure too. Plus fiber is going to be pretty strong, assuming natural monopolies don't shaft us.
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Timelordwho wrote:
Uh, cell towers are infrastructure too. Plus fiber is going to be pretty strong, assuming natural monopolies don't shaft us.
Yes, but we're already maintaining both of those. There is no increase in manual labour there. The required workforce is still going to shrink because you are going to start losing a good chunk of those last mile jobs. Right now the infrastructure looks like this:
source----Fiber/Cell towers-----local junction-----last mile of wire-----end user
It's heading to something closer to this:
source----Fiber/Cell towers-----end user
That's a whole two levels of high maintenance labour that are going to dissappear with nothing to replace them.
Edited, Jan 7th 2011 12:40pm by Yodabunny
Yodabunny wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Uh, cell towers are infrastructure too. Plus fiber is going to be pretty strong, assuming natural monopolies don't shaft us.
Yes, but we're already maintaining both of those. There is no increase in manual labour there. The required workforce is still going to shrink because you are going to start losing a good chunk of those last mile jobs. Right now the infrastructure looks like this:
source----Fiber/Cell towers-----local junction-----last mile of wire-----end user
It's heading to something closer to this:
source----Fiber/Cell towers-----end user
That's a whole two levels of high maintenance labour that are going to dissappear with nothing to replace them.
Edited, Jan 7th 2011 12:40pm by Yodabunny
There is a lot that would need to be done to replace that much in terms of capacity. Not just in infrastructure, but tech limitations are also a large factor.
Just as Planned.
Hallertau wrote:
Electronics for Green Jobs; from their website "Circuits similar to those examined in this program are found in automobiles, airplanes, communications and navigation equipment, commercial and consumer audio and video equipment, commercial and consumer appliances, medical equipment, industrial machines, power plants, recycling facilities, water treatment plants, military equipment, robotics, toys and many other high-tech sectors of the economy."
If the restaurant option is your dream, I say follow your passion, but if you're looking for something stable and the restaurant business is very cyclical, green jobs are a booming field right now. You're probably going to have to deal with low pay and with small businesses at first because it's such a new field, but if you get in the right company, I think there's no limit.
I'm actually thinking of heading back to school to get some background legal training on green policies because that's probably going to be a new field with a lot of mobility.
Law enforcement is a practical career, but the first few years of your career, you're going to have to deal with very odd hours and a high level of stress. And remember, a lot of municipal areas' budgets are so tight right now that hiring is at a freeze and there have been layoffs. I was going to work for the District Attorney's office and the pay is about 15% lower than what I make in a private law firm. I have thought about actually getting into a criminal defense firm that is doing a lot of marijuana defense (hot topic in California).
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Yodabunny wrote:
Option 3 You'll be
Do they give you the batmobile, or do I have to purchase it with my imaginary billions of dollars?
What happened to the teacher thing, Sora?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What happened to the teacher thing, Sora?
He learned he wasn't allowed to bring alcohol into schools.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What happened to the teacher thing, Sora?
He learned he wasn't allowed to bring alcohol into schools.
That and I also realized my state gets off on firing teachers. There has been a lot of **** going on between teachers unions and the state. The teachers are the ones losing. Also, the alternate route would be a waste for Elementary education. I would have to go back to school for two years which is still a possibility but pretty slim.
Hallertau wrote:
That and I also realized my state gets off on firing teachers.
Yours is weird. Most places as far as I know it's next to impossible to fire teachers. New York investigates bad teachers, but when they do it they send the teacher in a room to pretty much do whatever the heck they want. Full paycheck for sitting around and doing nothing all day, they're having problems because hundreds of them are on this for years. Up here in Canadaland (Alberta), they fired a guy teaching that the holocaust didn't exist with he wasn't teaching the curriculum as he missed some points in it.
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Most places as far as I know it's next to impossible to fire teachers.
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