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#27 Oct 24 2010 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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So we've had the piracy threads. I'm curious. Aside from "not being poor," what would make you buy more music?


1. Don't charge ridiculous amounts for a cd. I'm not paying more than 15 bucks for a cd.

2. Make sure more of the money goes to the artists, this is a problem with several labels.

3. Major music retailers bringing in more variety of music, instead of just bringing in what's popular(only major retailers in my city)

4. Have more artists who focus on making good music instead of making a couple good hit songs on an album full of crap.

Edited, Oct 24th 2010 8:51am by Driftwood
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#28 Oct 24 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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1. The Artist: As others have mentioned, if I like the artist, then I'll probably buy your CD without hearing anything.

2. Don't put out trash: I have the 3 song rule as well. I don't want to be "tricked" into buying a CD that sounds nothing like the released songs. Good thing now we can hear the tracks before purchasing.

3. The number of tracks: If I'm paying $14 for a CD, there better be a ton of tracks on there, especially if there are any interludes, intros or outros.

4. "Advanced CDs": Add some additional information on the CD's like music videos or touring clips.

5. Ending off back on the artist, don't sell out. I know people change and "mature" (especially the younger artists), but don't give into the hype of what is popular now for the money. Stay original.
#29 Oct 24 2010 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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3. The number of tracks: If I'm paying $14 for a CD, there better be a ton of tracks on there, especially if there are any interludes, intros or outros.


What do you consider to be a fair number for $14 or $15?




In the interest of total disclosure (and I meant to post this originally but got side tracked somewhere, sorry) the reason I'm asking is that I work in the music business. Not the "oh, so-and-so is playing this venue, I can totally get you tickets" side, but the business side. We manage out clients money. We work for artists, and not record labels, though we do work with the labels on occasion (invoicing them, looking through royalty statements, etc.).

I'm considering getting my MBA, and as part of the admissions process I'll need to write an essay on a "real world business problem." I was listening to the radio on the way home the other day, and in an interview, someone asked an artist that was getting back into music how an artist "makes money" with all of the downloaded music these days. Her answer was, "I don't think the artists have figured that out yet."

I don't know if they were talking specifically about piracy or not, but it got me thinking, and I thought if I could look at the actual money going out and coming in for some of our clients in regards to music sales, and figured out from some of the fan base what would inspire them to buy more music, I could write my essay on that. (And my super wild pipe-dream is that I'll come up with The Answer and make a ton of money because I figured out how to make the fans and the artists happy.)
#30 Oct 24 2010 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
3. The number of tracks: If I'm paying $14 for a CD, there better be a ton of tracks on there, especially if there are any interludes, intros or outros.


What do you consider to be a fair number for $14 or $15?
I'm not necessarily concerned with the number of tracks, but I am pretty disappointed when an album comes in at like 36 minutes long. 50+ minutes is what I generally like, if I'm going to be buying a physical disc.
#31 Oct 24 2010 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, no more than a dollar a track, excluding intros, outros and interludes.


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I'm not necessarily concerned with the number of tracks, but I am pretty disappointed when an album comes in at like 36 minutes long. 50+ minutes is what I generally like, if I'm going to be buying a physical disc.


I guess this is a more accurate statement.

Edited, Oct 24th 2010 5:43pm by Almalieque
#32 Oct 24 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
3. The number of tracks: If I'm paying $14 for a CD, there better be a ton of tracks on there, especially if there are any interludes, intros or outros.


What do you consider to be a fair number for $14 or $15?
I'm not necessarily concerned with the number of tracks, but I am pretty disappointed when an album comes in at like 36 minutes long. 50+ minutes is what I generally like, if I'm going to be buying a physical disc.


So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly

I kid, I kid.

Thanks for the input, everyone. I really appreciate it.
#33 Oct 24 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly
Yes.
#34 Oct 24 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Spoonless Delivers on Time wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly
Yes.


Yea, on a related note, I would like more artestry back. Nobody makes long songs anymore. I mean stuff like "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Stairway to Heaven", the full version of "Nights in White Satin", the full, 12-minute long version of "Anything for Love" (now that was a pice of art, right there), etc.
#35 Oct 24 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Spoonless Delivers on Time wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly
Yes.


Yea, on a related note, I would like more artestry back. Nobody makes long songs anymore. I mean stuff like "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Stairway to Heaven", the full version of "Nights in White Satin", the full, 12-minute long version of "Anything for Love" (now that was a pice of art, right there), etc.
Since when does a song need to be long for it to be good?
#36 Oct 24 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Spoonless Delivers on Time wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly
Yes.


Yea, on a related note, I would like more artestry back. Nobody makes long songs anymore. I mean stuff like "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Stairway to Heaven", the full version of "Nights in White Satin", the full, 12-minute long version of "Anything for Love" (now that was a pice of art, right there), etc.
Since when does a song need to be long for it to be good?


I don't think that's what he means, necessarily.
#37 Oct 24 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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So we've had the piracy threads. I'm curious. Aside from "not being poor," what would make you buy more music?


1. Don't charge ridiculous amounts for a cd. I'm not paying more than 15 bucks for a cd.


This argument is obsolete with the advent of iTunes, Amazon and other online single-song vendors. It's a little childish to still be using it, and only outs you as someone who would pirate music no matter the arrangement, just because you can.
#38 Oct 24 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Driftwood wrote:
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So we've had the piracy threads. I'm curious. Aside from "not being poor," what would make you buy more music?


1. Don't charge ridiculous amounts for a cd. I'm not paying more than 15 bucks for a cd.


This argument is obsolete with the advent of iTunes, Amazon and other online single-song vendors. It's a little childish to still be using it, and only outs you as someone who would pirate music no matter the arrangement, just because you can.


That's a possible conclusion or that you just don't use iTunes, Amazon and other online single-song vendors. Singles were also on sale before those vendors as CDs, tapes and other forms of media. So buying singles is not a new concept.

The poster specifically mentioned the price of a whole album, not a particular song.
#39 Oct 24 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Spoonless Delivers on Time wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
So four 12 minute songs and one three minute song would be worth it? Smiley: sly
Yes.


Yea, on a related note, I would like more artestry back. Nobody makes long songs anymore. I mean stuff like "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Stairway to Heaven", the full version of "Nights in White Satin", the full, 12-minute long version of "Anything for Love" (now that was a pice of art, right there), etc.
Start listening to prog rock and prog metal, enough 10 minute songs.

And stuff like Black Rose Immortal (and P2 because it's too long for 1 youtube vid)


And length of an album is pretty insignificant to me.
Good music is good music and whether the album is 30 minutes or 90 minutes isn't all that important to me.
I'm also fine with paying €25 for a special edition of an album (Hell, I've done that on multiple occasions)
Really the only reason I don't buy everything is because my wallet can't handle it but I still plan on buying almost everything that I have downloaded.
Downloading for me is pretty much a test ride of the music.

I also would never pay for a download, ever.
If I'm paying for music I want a shiny disc, cool artwork and a pretty booklet.


That all said, I think making music by selling songs isn't really viable anymore. If you want to make money as a band you do live shows and personally I'm not sure I mind.
I feel sorry for artists losing a way to make money but I think that bands should shine live because that's what music is made for.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 12:24am by Aethien
#40 Oct 24 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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How much do bands make off CD sales anyways? I'm sure it's a good chunk of revenue but I would figure they would make quite a bit on other things such as concerts, promo's, ads, and so on. But I don't really have any numbers to back that up.

I personally haven't bought or downloaded a cd/song in a while. I tend to just either listen to the radio/launch.com or watch the video on youtube. I think a good way to make some extra income would be to release some live DVD specials. I personally like watching live shows, but ones that are done professionally not the ones posted on youtube from someones phone.
#41 Oct 24 2010 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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How much do bands make off CD sales anyways?
Hardly any. Iirc, it's usually no more than a dollar.
#42 Oct 24 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
It might be interesting to note here that any sort of classical music usually (i.e. almost always) sells less than 50,000 copies (compare that to platinum) and those are people who have usually got a degree in making music.

The top ones get paid a lot for concerts, to be fair. And by a lot I mean a grand an evening per head.
My brother gave up the craft (mostly) and he made €200 or more for one performance.

Now with rock music and such, there are usually a lot less musicians involved and half the time you pay the same price. It's good money, if there are enough performances.
#43 Oct 24 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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It might be interesting to note here that any sort of classical music usually (i.e. almost always) sells less than 50,000 copies (compare that to platinum) and those are people who have usually got a degree in making music.

The top ones get paid a lot for concerts, to be fair. And by a lot I mean a grand an evening per head.
My brother gave up the craft (mostly) and he made €200 or more for one performance.

Now with rock music and such, there are usually a lot less musicians involved and half the time you pay the same price. It's good money, if there are enough performances.


The sound and light effects are extremely expensive, and that's an overhead cost that an orchestra usually won't have to worry about. Not to mention all of the crew that is involved in putting on a production. It's extremely expensive to put on even a mild show nowadays. And most people will complain if they don't get the fancy light shows anymore.
#44 Oct 25 2010 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
Hmm, I didn't think of that.

I have to say though, one of the most epic concerts I've been to was when the band continued playing during a power outage. It was mostly the "overcoming obstacles" bit of it, but it was still brilliant.
#45 Oct 25 2010 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
Hyolith wrote:
How much do bands make off CD sales anyways? I'm sure it's a good chunk of revenue but I would figure they would make quite a bit on other things such as concerts, promo's, ads, and so on. But I don't really have any numbers to back that up.


Depends on the band. The bigger, more popular bands do make good money on their performances. But the bands just starting out don't get paid jack as a headliner, and sometimes have to pay money to be an opening act. Merch sales are what pay the bills for these bands.
#46 Oct 25 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Hyolith wrote:
How much do bands make off CD sales anyways? I'm sure it's a good chunk of revenue but I would figure they would make quite a bit on other things such as concerts, promo's, ads, and so on. But I don't really have any numbers to back that up.


Depends on the band. The bigger, more popular bands do make good money on their performances. But the bands just starting out don't get paid jack as a headliner, and sometimes have to pay money to be an opening act. Merch sales are what pay the bills for these bands.
This. I get more money playing on the street than playing most places.
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