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#1 Oct 13 2010 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
I was thinking of making this a poll, but I'm too cheap (and skint) to get premium right now and I think it's more important for me to find my own choice than to let others decide.

You can, however, possibly help me with that choice.


I am applying to a university that requires me to get a double minor in a subject I can freely choose and a language of my choice.
This is what I want, I know what my major (chemistry) and my minor (computing) will be, but I'm not so sure on the language.

The choices are Arabic, Dutch, French and Spanish.

An issue that needs to be considered is that I would want to maintain a GPA of 3.5 over the first two years due to scholarship stuff - there pretty much aren't any scholarships that are large enough for me to afford this that don't require a high GPA.

Arabic sounds interesting, and I've always wanted to give it a go. It might be very useful in the future, some pretty impressive research facilities have opened in the Arabic speaking part of the world in the recent past.
I don't think it will be very hard to learn, but it will require significantly larger amounts of study time outside lectures with my linguistic background than any of the other languages.

Dutch is obviously not very useful. There's two pluses to it, though, the first being that it is a language I absolutely adore, the second that the university in question is in the Netherlands, giving me some immersion, and that I already have a college-level qualification in it, which I passed with an A - choosing it would make that GPA of 3.5 much easier.

French is French. I've always sort of wanted to learn it but I'm not too motivated about it. I've got some very basic knowledge of it and 10 years of Latin under my belt, making it probably easier than Arabic as far as the volume of study time goes, but still harder than Dutch.

What goes for French goes for Spanish, too, except that it has more speakers. I think the difference isn't as large as far as publications in my field of choice go, but it seems a bit more useful. I do like it slightly better than French.

There is also the part about how the general public will view someone with university level qualifications in a certain language, and I am really not sure which one has the advantage in this. I'm also not sure how much knowledge they expect when I start the course.

I need to enter a preference in my application, which I plan on submitting within the next fortnight, so if you have any thoughts on this that might help me make a decision, I'd appreciated it if you shared them.
#2 Oct 13 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Default
I would probably either do dutch, for the easy grade, or whichever one you think is the most useful to you (which based on the several sentences you wrote sounds like Arabic?). If you're going to take the time to study a new language seriously, it should be something that you'll make good use of. And if you're not going to take it too seriously, then just do dutch, since it'll be easy for you.
#3 Oct 13 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Go with Dutch if you're going to be there for 3-4 years. Otherwise, French.
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#4 Oct 13 2010 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Go Spanish, it will cover you for Spain, most of the U.S., Mexico, and 85% of South America. French will only help in France and Canada. Arabic is to be considered if you need to learn 20 different ways to say "Please don't kill me because of the way I dress", in case you plan to travel there in the future.
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#5 Oct 13 2010 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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Arabic is VERY tough to learn. My sister started as a tri-language major (French, Spanish, Arabic). She had no problem with French, and her work with that made Spanish pretty easy, but Arabic was hard. Even after studying abroad in Tunisia and Egypt, she still had problems with it. She changed her major to a double IR/POSC, and her minors to French and Arabic.

That said, Arabic is a huge plus today in some job markets, as is Spanish. Personally I found Spanish rather easy to learn - I got a Spanish minor with little effort, as I enjoyed the classes.

But if I had the choice in your position? Dutch. You'll be in the Netherlands anyway, and you have experience in it. Focusing on your work while trying to learn a language you have no background in whatsoever and no chance to practice is asking for trouble.
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Grand Master Angler Shaowstrike wrote:
Go Spanish, it will cover you for Spain, most of the U.S., Mexico, and 85% of South America.

It's basically 100% of South America. Brazilians generally speak (or at least understand) Spanish in addition to Portuguese, as the two are very similar and they deal with their neighbors enough that it's in common usage in the big Brazilian cities.

Edit: Spanish is also spoken in all of Central America, so you'd have literally the entire Western hemisphere covered (except for maybe Quebec, but **** those guys).

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:54am by Demea
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Demea wrote:
Edit: Spanish is also spoken in all of Central America, so you'd have literally the entire Western hemisphere covered (except for maybe Quebec, but @#%^ those guys).
Spanish is a rare language in most of Canada, but **** those guys too.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Demea wrote:
Edit: Spanish is also spoken in all of Central America, so you'd have literally the entire Western hemisphere covered (except for maybe Quebec, but @#%^ those guys).
Spanish is a rare language in most of Canada, but @#%^ those guys too.

I'm fairly sure, given the content of the original post, that he speaks English too. Smiley: wink2
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With a thick German accent. She might as well be speaking Russian.
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#11 Oct 13 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
Demea wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Demea wrote:
Edit: Spanish is also spoken in all of Central America, so you'd have literally the entire Western hemisphere covered (except for maybe Quebec, but @#%^ those guys).
Spanish is a rare language in most of Canada, but @#%^ those guys too.

I'm fairly sure, given the content of the original post, that he speaks English too. Smiley: wink2
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With a thick German accent. She might as well be speaking Russian.


Please don't get Kali talking about how many languages she knows... At least not any more than she already has in the OP.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:14am by Belkira
#12 Oct 13 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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African American Vernacular English
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African American Vernacular English


For realz, yo.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 12:17pm by Shaowstrike
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#14 Oct 13 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Ik zou als ik jou was gewoon voor nederlands gaan, de taal is best makkelijk om te leren als je ook maar een beetje gemotiveerd bent en je hebt tenslotte al een voet tussen de deur. But I might be biased.

I've always wanted to do that.

Oh, en ik zie de wasbeer niet.
#15 Oct 13 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Wut language?
Arabic:5 (27.8%)
Dutch:2 (11.1%)
French:3 (16.7%)
Spanish:8 (44.4%)
Total:18
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#16 Oct 13 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
Je ziet hem niet omdat hij onzichtbaar is.



I suppose I'll put down Dutch as it is a relatively safe choice at the least, and I think I will be able to ask them how demanding their language programme is at the interview or when I choose my courses.

It's not like it's decided whether I'll go there anyway. They might turn me down, or I might not get any scholarship. Either way I would have no choice but to go to a different university. Just need to put down something in the application.



Question, out of interest:
In the US, what sort of word count are they looking for in a personal statement? And do you normally have to write an application essay for uni?
#17 Oct 13 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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You get something like 400 points for getting your name right on the SATs. I don't think there is any expectation on word counts.
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Kalivha wrote:
Question, out of interest:
In the US, what sort of word count are they looking for in a personal statement? And do you normally have to write an application essay for uni?

Yes to the application essay. What's a personal statement?

"Dear College Entrance Review Board: I am a 20-something SWF seeking accredited university for bachelor's degree, possible long-term master's degree. Non-smokers only."

Smiley: dubious
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Chemistry, Computers, Arabic...this is going to end well. *popcorn*
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For the record, I voted for Arabic because it might save your life some day.
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#21 Oct 13 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
I voted for Arabic because there didn't appear to be even a remote possibility you'd someday be beheaded as a result of learning Dutch.
#22 Oct 13 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Yes to the application essay. What's a personal statement?

"Dear College Entrance Review Board: I am a 20-something SWF seeking accredited university for bachelor's degree, possible long-term master's degree. Non-smokers only."

Smiley: dubious


A personal statement is a bit like a long cover letter. For UK universities, it's supposed to be 4000 characters long, for the uni in NL they want 1-2 pages. Basically detailing why you want to study the subject you chose, why you want to study at a certain university, what volunteering you've done and any other things that might make you more worthy to be a student at that university, like having played soccer for 12 years or something. Or speaking 52 languages fluently.

I don't know the specifications for the other universities I'm applying to yet as they are opening admissions in early 2011, but I think it's always gonna be 600+ words, and needed for at least 2/3 of those.

The only university that wants an application essay is the Dutch one, not even Cambridge require you to write one. Not that I'm applying there...

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 8:17pm by Kalivha
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Yea, they want approx 2 pages for the school's i applied to years ago. That's a long time ago though, so not sure where that sits now.
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#24 Oct 13 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
When I started writing my UK one, I thought it was supposed to be 4000 words.
#25 Oct 13 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
If your concerned about your GPA then take Dutch and move on. If you want a challenge then take spanish and work hard at it to get your grade. Arabic is a dream for you and you can take it later when GPA's dont have any meaning.
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Demea wrote:
It's basically 100% of South America.

I see you've never heard of a little place called French Guiana!


Seriously. It's a very little place...
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