I never really learned anything in school. As most people know, I went to Florida public schools. Those schools that aren't like Florida's probably don't have many years before they are changed to meet the same "standards."
Growing up, it never sounded to me like the principal or any of the teachers gave a damn whether or not the children learned anything, so long as our scores on the "FCAT"(standardized tests) were high. If students got an overall high score on the FCAT test, the school would receive more funding. Schools that did poorly were hung out to try. This way of ***-raping the public school system was the way of our current administration.
If I ever learned anything at school, it was from an occasional good teacher. Mr. Fulton, for example, was a sage in my eyes. I learned a lot about how the world worked, and of physics and chemistry and why they were actually relevant. He was always talking to us about something, and we would listen intently to everything he had to say. He was a really funny guy, and he could always relate what he was saying to something that mattered.
It seemed every other class was an internment camp for juveniles. Just keep busy, keep your head down, and shut the **** up.
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Galkaman wrote:
Kuwoobie will die crushed under the burden of his mediocrity.
It has been far too long since I suffered such superlative mediocrity as public school, so I may be ill-suited to render an opinion (much less a solution) to America's current educational crisis. Some of you claim the problem lies with teachers focusing solely on theory while disregarding practical applications. Some assert that the schools short-cut the students by teaching only application without taking time to explain theory. Both camps are wrong. There is strong empirical support for the hypothesis that American schools began their slow descent the year they removed paste from grade schools. I spent a fair amount of time in the late 60s and early 70s eating paste at school. The paste-intensive diet of my youth was the foundation of my later acadamic success. I hear the Japanese schools force paste into their 1st-graders through tubes.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgment, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
There's a TED video that backs Thorny up here. Although, they said incentivizing things only really works the way it should when it does not involve creative thinking.
Math, History, Science = Great for Incentives
Art, English = Not so much.
Toohotforu wrote:
Just punch her in the vag and tell her to @#$% off.
Catt wrote:
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgment, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
There's a TED video that backs Thorny up here. Although, they said incentivizing things only really works the way it should when it does not involve creative thinking.
Math, History, Science = Great for Incentives
Art, English = Not so much.
It's because Math, history and Science focused students innately understand economics.
Just as Planned.
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
It has been far too long since I suffered such superlative mediocrity as public school, so I may be ill-suited to render an opinion (much less a solution) to America's current educational crisis. Some of you claim the problem lies with teachers focusing solely on theory while disregarding practical applications. Some assert that the schools short-cut the students by teaching only application without taking time to explain theory. Both camps are wrong. There is strong empirical support for the hypothesis that American schools began their slow descent the year they removed paste from grade schools. I spent a fair amount of time in the late 60s and early 70s eating paste at school. The paste-intensive diet of my youth was the foundation of my later acadamic success. I hear the Japanese schools force paste into their 1st-graders through tubes.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Is it sad that I lurked long enough to welcome back Thorny? Yes.
Also sad that as an educator, I prefer that people want to be educated without incentive other than to learn. And yes, as an educator, it is partnership that we form. My responsibility is to be the best educator I can. Clearly, I don't teach primary or secondary. My comments are not meant to be anything but idealistic. I have been accused of being an idealist.
eiran wrote:
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
It has been far too long since I suffered such superlative mediocrity as public school, so I may be ill-suited to render an opinion (much less a solution) to America's current educational crisis. Some of you claim the problem lies with teachers focusing solely on theory while disregarding practical applications. Some assert that the schools short-cut the students by teaching only application without taking time to explain theory. Both camps are wrong. There is strong empirical support for the hypothesis that American schools began their slow descent the year they removed paste from grade schools. I spent a fair amount of time in the late 60s and early 70s eating paste at school. The paste-intensive diet of my youth was the foundation of my later acadamic success. I hear the Japanese schools force paste into their 1st-graders through tubes.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Is it sad that I lurked long enough to welcome back Thorny? Yes.
Also sad that as an educator, I prefer that people want to be educated without incentive other than to learn. And yes, as an educator, it is partnership that we form. My responsibility is to be the best educator I can. Clearly, I don't teach primary or secondary. My comments are not meant to be anything but idealistic. I have been accused of being an idealist.
Sure, but what about the large population group who does not wish to learn for learning's sake alone?
Surely you must account for them.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
Sure, but what about the large population group who does not wish to learn for learning's sake alone?
Surely you must account for them.
Surely you must account for them.
The world needs ditch diggers.
/shrug
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Timelordwho wrote:
eiran wrote:
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
It has been far too long since I suffered such superlative mediocrity as public school, so I may be ill-suited to render an opinion (much less a solution) to America's current educational crisis. Some of you claim the problem lies with teachers focusing solely on theory while disregarding practical applications. Some assert that the schools short-cut the students by teaching only application without taking time to explain theory. Both camps are wrong. There is strong empirical support for the hypothesis that American schools began their slow descent the year they removed paste from grade schools. I spent a fair amount of time in the late 60s and early 70s eating paste at school. The paste-intensive diet of my youth was the foundation of my later acadamic success. I hear the Japanese schools force paste into their 1st-graders through tubes.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Is it sad that I lurked long enough to welcome back Thorny? Yes.
Also sad that as an educator, I prefer that people want to be educated without incentive other than to learn. And yes, as an educator, it is partnership that we form. My responsibility is to be the best educator I can. Clearly, I don't teach primary or secondary. My comments are not meant to be anything but idealistic. I have been accused of being an idealist.
Sure, but what about the large population group who does not wish to learn for learning's sake alone?
Surely you must account for them.
Sweetums wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
eiran wrote:
Thoronmir the Venerable wrote:
It has been far too long since I suffered such superlative mediocrity as public school, so I may be ill-suited to render an opinion (much less a solution) to America's current educational crisis. Some of you claim the problem lies with teachers focusing solely on theory while disregarding practical applications. Some assert that the schools short-cut the students by teaching only application without taking time to explain theory. Both camps are wrong. There is strong empirical support for the hypothesis that American schools began their slow descent the year they removed paste from grade schools. I spent a fair amount of time in the late 60s and early 70s eating paste at school. The paste-intensive diet of my youth was the foundation of my later acadamic success. I hear the Japanese schools force paste into their 1st-graders through tubes.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Another factor attributing to the erosion of American education is the deincentivization of performance. Throughout grade school and into high school, my parents rewarded high grades with compensatory stipends. The amounts may have adjusted with time, but the principle remained the same ... As were highly reward, Cs received only tepid acknowledgement, Fs resulted in an ***-beating with a wire hairbrush. I would like to see a national program modeled after my parent's approach. Government funded scholarships that award cash for each A, some form of participation award for each C, and a Government-mandated ***-beating with a wire hairbrush for each F.
Only then can we save our schools.
Then again ... a lifetime of cigars, bourbon, and coeds has taken so many years off my life that I doubt I will be around to suffer the adulthood of today's school children. So, I guess I really don't give a damn.
Is it sad that I lurked long enough to welcome back Thorny? Yes.
Also sad that as an educator, I prefer that people want to be educated without incentive other than to learn. And yes, as an educator, it is partnership that we form. My responsibility is to be the best educator I can. Clearly, I don't teach primary or secondary. My comments are not meant to be anything but idealistic. I have been accused of being an idealist.
Sure, but what about the large population group who does not wish to learn for learning's sake alone?
Surely you must account for them.
I don't want to live in a 3rd world country :(
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
No such thing as an interesting job without any annoying parts.
I said tedious. There are lots of interesting jobs without tedious parts. There are occasionally annoying parts irregardless of sector.
Arms dealer.
Venture Capitalist.
Strategic Consultant.
Director of Marketing.
Mortality Consultant.
et al.
You don't really know what a Director of Marketing does, do you? Also, everyone of those positions carry tedious duties. Except maybe the Arms dealer.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
No such thing as an interesting job without any annoying parts.
I said tedious. There are lots of interesting jobs without tedious parts. There are occasionally annoying parts irregardless of sector.
Arms dealer.
Venture Capitalist.
Strategic Consultant.
Director of Marketing.
Mortality Consultant.
et al.
You don't really know what a Director of Marketing does, do you? Also, everyone of those positions carry tedious duties. Except maybe the Arms dealer.
Director of marketing implies that other people are doing the grunt work of generating the actual marketing materials, as well as performing the necessary analytics for the director to have the resources to make proper strategy decision on how to design and implement a campaign. If they are creating the materials or performing the analytics primarily, then either your business is too small to have a full size marketing division, or you should be paying them less.
Just as Planned.
Right, so saying you don't know would have been easier.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Right, so saying you don't know would have been easier.
This... I'm about to be promoted to a Director of Marketing position and I'm not losing any responsibility, job duties or anything like that. If anything I'm taking on more things like Budgeting, Reporting and more employee management.
I think he might be on to something with that Arms Dealer position though.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
I think he might be on to something with that Arms Dealer position though.
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Really though, ff it's tedious, just kill the prick that dropped it on your lap.
Score 1 for Arms Dealers.
Score 1 for Arms Dealers.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
The problem I see today is how schools are being told to focus on just skills needed for pasting tests and preparing them for becoming grunts for the service industry, while The Arts and Humanities get cut. Without art, music and creative writing, much of the activities that nurture creativity and imagination needed to develop new ideas is lost in education.
Instead children are being taught to stay within the lines, the sun must be colored yellow and there is only one way to draw trees and fish. When we limit our children's creativity, we kill the very processes that have lead to much of the sudden leaps the development of Math and Science.
Just try to imagine a world without music or the art that graces our churches and museums. Would you like a world where there was never dancing? How would it effect language, if no one ever saw need to write poetry?
Thankfully there will always those of us that are driven to be creative and use our imaginations to entertain others. Nothing will stop us from producing new works of art, for it is as natural to us as our need to eat and sleep.
Nothing is sadder in my mind, then someone who has no imagination. At the center I go to 3 days a week for therapy, there is one person who is so unable to imagine anything other then his life, that many of the activities we do in group are beyond him. He has no curiosity in anything and is easily lead by what he hears on talk radio. Arguing with him is useless, as he can't imagine he is ever wrong.
Darn if he doesn't sound like a few posters here.
He the extreme case among those, I find have to struggle when ask to draw or write down their thoughts. Yet most people who claim they can't draw more then at stick figure, can over time learn the skills needed to see how lines and shapes allow the artist to draw realistically from objects on paper.
Instead children are being taught to stay within the lines, the sun must be colored yellow and there is only one way to draw trees and fish. When we limit our children's creativity, we kill the very processes that have lead to much of the sudden leaps the development of Math and Science.
Just try to imagine a world without music or the art that graces our churches and museums. Would you like a world where there was never dancing? How would it effect language, if no one ever saw need to write poetry?
Thankfully there will always those of us that are driven to be creative and use our imaginations to entertain others. Nothing will stop us from producing new works of art, for it is as natural to us as our need to eat and sleep.
Nothing is sadder in my mind, then someone who has no imagination. At the center I go to 3 days a week for therapy, there is one person who is so unable to imagine anything other then his life, that many of the activities we do in group are beyond him. He has no curiosity in anything and is easily lead by what he hears on talk radio. Arguing with him is useless, as he can't imagine he is ever wrong.
Darn if he doesn't sound like a few posters here.
He the extreme case among those, I find have to struggle when ask to draw or write down their thoughts. Yet most people who claim they can't draw more then at stick figure, can over time learn the skills needed to see how lines and shapes allow the artist to draw realistically from objects on paper.
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