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#1 May 17 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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On my way home from work today, I was listening to some local news.

Apparently a woman was fired from her waitress job at a pizza restaurant (not a big chain) because she posted a strongly worded post on Facebook about a group of customers. She mentioned the place she worked at by name, which I guess was a big no-no according to their employee rules.

According to the radio, I guess the group of customers had stayed for a while at the restaurant (I believe it said like... 3 hours). And in the end the women felt under tipped. So the question is; When you tip, do you take into account time as well as bill? Being that this was a smaller, local joint, I'd wager a guess that locals coming in a sitting down and talking for a while is not that unusual.

The only time I've ever stayed at a restaurant for more than a little while is if I was in a large group at a nicer restaurant. Staying and having a few drinks after the meal. I didn't include any extra tip for the time I spent there...

Edited, May 17th 2010 6:06pm by TirithRR
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#2 May 17 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
When you tip, do you take into account time as well as bill?

No, and I think any server who thinks I should take it into account has a vastly overinflated view of how much I care about them. I try to tip well enough and give a little extra for good service, etc but my life doesn't revolve around how justly compensated the wage slave at the Family Diner feels after I've paid the bill.
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#3 May 17 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
So the question is; When you tip, do you take into account time as well as bill?

No, but I don't spend hours at a restaurant either.
#4 May 17 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
I've never understood why tips are based on the total cost. A $50 steak requires the waiter to do exactly the same amount of work as a $10 burger+fries. Seems kind of silly to me.
#5 May 17 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I try to, yes. It depends on if I'm actually taking up time from them (i.e. needing refills on drinks, etc.) while we're spending extra time sitting there, but ultimately I'm taking up space for another table that would be spending / tipping more than I will in that extra time. That being said, I typically don't sit around for long periods of time after the meal.

Also, I heard that one of her complaints was that they stayed over an hour past when she was supposed to clock out. That argument does not hold as much for me, because it is a fairly simple task to ask the table if they will cash out with the server and have whoever is closing take care of any further needs of theirs.
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#6 May 17 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
I've never understood why tips are based on the total cost. A $50 steak requires the waiter to do exactly the same amount of work as a $10 burger+fries. Seems kind of silly to me.


In my experience, the places that serve a $50 steak provide a better dining experience (and typically better service) than those that serve $10 burger+fries.
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#7 May 17 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
I've never understood why tips are based on the total cost. A $50 steak requires the waiter to do exactly the same amount of work as a $10 burger+fries. Seems kind of silly to me.
In my experience, the places that serve a $50 steak provide a better dining experience (and typically better service) than those that serve $10 burger+fries.
It was an exaggerated example, and i was assuming both were coming from the same restaurant.
#8 May 17 2010 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Vataro wrote:
Also, I heard that one of her complaints was that they stayed over an hour past when she was supposed to clock out. That argument does not hold as much for me, because it is a fairly simple task to ask the table if they will cash out with the server and have whoever is closing take care of any further needs of theirs.


I've had this happen to me before. We get seated for the night about 30 minutes before the end of the waitress's shift. She just came up to us and told us she was leaving, introduced the replacement waitress, and went on her way. We paid for the drinks we had currently, tipped, etc. And the new waitress went on with the service for the night. Of course, this was a bar, so we spend a good amount of time there ordering drinks after eating as well, and watching various sports games on the TV.

I didn't catch what place this had happened with, I wasn't paying too close attention to it in the beginning. I just remember it wasn't a big name like Pizza Hut or Domino's.

Edited, May 17th 2010 6:30pm by TirithRR
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#9 May 17 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
I don't take how much time I spend there into account, but I often eat lunch alone at a sit down restaurant with a book, and I try to tip a little extra, because I know that if it were a party of two, they'd get more.
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I try to tip a little extra, because I know that if it were a party of two, they'd get more.

I guess I don't understand the logic of tipping for people who aren't there not eating food that hasn't been ordered. Sure if it was a party of five then they'd be tipped more, but it isn't.

I'm not saying you shouldn't tip the amount you do, but I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.

Edited, May 17th 2010 5:39pm by Allegory
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If I monopolize a table for three hours, and I can't begin to imagine why I would, I certainly hope I'd tip accordingly.

It's always possible that she exaggerated for effect, of course.

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#12 May 17 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Default
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I tip however the hell I want to tip. That being said, I've spent hours in a diner before and only had coffee or soda. In the situations where a server was nearing the end of their shift they would politely say "my shift ends in XX time, Would you like your bill now, or I can leave it with another server?" .. I always take the bill now, so that I can make sure that the server who served me gets the tip.

If I'm in a group I'm more inclined to leave a bigger tip for the amount of work they have to do, even if its only getting drink refills. Of course I find it stupid to tip for soda/coffee when they should just have the self service stations out.

You want a tip just for getting me a refill? Get a better respected job.
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#13 May 17 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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#14 May 17 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I worked at a chain restaurant where leaving before all your tables were empty was very difficult to do because each server had a closing duty along with cleaning their section (tables). It was rare to find another server willing to take over your one last table for you because it meant they had to clean your section and (sometimes) do your closing duties for you as well.

Edited, May 17th 2010 6:02pm by Bardalicious
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Bardalicious wrote:
I worked at a chain restaurant where leaving before all your tables were empty was very difficult to do because each server had a closing duty along with cleaning their section (tables). It was rare to find another server willing to take over your one last table for you because it meant they had to clean your section and (sometimes) do your closing duties for you as well.

Edited, May 17th 2010 6:02pm by Bardalicious


Did you get pissed off when I... I mean the 'patrons', would switch tables after ordering?
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#16 May 17 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Good
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I guess I don't understand the logic of tipping for people who aren't there not eating food that hasn't been ordered. Sure if it was a party of five then they'd be tipped more, but it isn't.

I'm not saying you shouldn't tip the amount you do, but I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.


I can sort of see the logic if it's filled up - that is, by taking that table you're preventing two people sitting down.
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Dyadem of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
I worked at a chain restaurant where leaving before all your tables were empty was very difficult to do because each server had a closing duty along with cleaning their section (tables). It was rare to find another server willing to take over your one last table for you because it meant they had to clean your section and (sometimes) do your closing duties for you as well.

Edited, May 17th 2010 6:02pm by Bardalicious


Did you get pissed off when I... I mean the 'patrons', would switch tables after ordering?

I never had that happen, so who can say.
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I guess I don't understand the logic of tipping for people who aren't there not eating food that hasn't been ordered. Sure if it was a party of five then they'd be tipped more, but it isn't.

I'm not saying you shouldn't tip the amount you do, but I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.


I can sort of see the logic if it's filled up - that is, by taking that table you're preventing two people sitting down.

I've worked at two different restaurants and both of them work by giving servers a finite number of tables to turn. If you have a family camping at one of your tables that is one less money making opportunity for you unless they tip accordingly.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
When you tip, do you take into account time as well as bill?

No, and I think any server who thinks I should take it into account has a vastly overinflated view of how much I care about them. I try to tip well enough and give a little extra for good service, etc but my life doesn't revolve around how justly compensated the wage slave at the Family Diner feels after I've paid the bill.
This, and that's coming from a former server.
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#21 May 17 2010 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
Generally if we linger for a while, we tip more than average because we are having fun and the service plays a huge role in that. We generally increase the tip (if service is good) during happy hour because we realize the bill reflects happy hour prices. We also have no problem leaving what the server would be taxed on if service is bad.
#22 May 17 2010 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I stay more than an hour and the server stays on par I will factor it into my tip.

I'm not easily impressed with food service though so it usually stays around 20%.

#23 May 17 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
I usually do ~15% rounded up to next dollar unless the service is absolutely horrible or amazing. If I'm there for a long time (never +3hrs, but maybe a hour and a half) the server has almost 0 responsibility after the food is done, so I don't see why they would expect a higher tip for minimal extra work? I'm not generally at places where there aren't extra tables for them to tend though, I don't like packed restaurants.

Edited, May 17th 2010 9:03pm by shintasama
#24 May 17 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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I've been having an ongoing debate with a friend of mine who's a blackjack dealer. They have this thing at the casino called the "Bad Beat." Basically if anyone at a table game hits a royal flush or some ridiculously hard hand, they win a giant jackpot, usually like 60 grand. It's then expected that they give a hefty chunk of that to the dealer that dealt the hand, like $5k. If I win that $60k, that ain't happening.

Edited, May 17th 2010 8:01pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
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Professor shintasama wrote:
If I'm there for a long time (never +3hrs, but maybe a hour and a half) the server has almost 0 responsibility after the food is done, so I don't see why they would expect a higher tip for minimal extra work?

Because you are often times directly preventing them from getting more work.
#26 May 17 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
I've been having an ongoing debate with a friend of mine who's a blackjack dealer. They have this thing at the casino called the "Bad Beat." Basically if anyone at a table game hits a royal flush or some ridiculously hard hand, they win a giant jackpot, usually like 60 grand. It's then expected that they give a hefty chunk of that to the dealer that dealt the hand, like $5k. If I win that $60k, that ain't happening.
Eh, if i won $60k, i doubt i'd mind giving somewhere around 3-5k to the dealer. Though giving them less than $1k or so after winning so much would probably be pretty insulting.
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