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#1 Apr 22 2010 at 11:59 PM Rating: Good
So I know it's generally ill-advised to come to the OoT asking for advice, but I figured I'd give it a shot and see if anyone else has had a similar experience and could relate how they dealt with this problem.

As most of you know, I'm a 26 year old college student. My first year fresh out of high school was mostly a failure as my dad had passed away of a brain tumor two days after Christmas the previous year. I had a very difficult time concentrating on my school work because of the depression I was dealing with, not to mention I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life so I really had no direction either. The following year I made attempts at two different community colleges and still couldn't focus. Shortly after that, I finally went to a counselor, got on some anti depressants and eventually dealt with my father's death. I finally went back to school two years ago, and my first year back I did really well, improving my GPA from a 2.1 to a 2.64 over the course of the three terms. Second year back I screwed around a bit, but my GPA stayed about the same. This year I've really @#%^ed up. Part of it last term was due to getting a really bad case of the flu literally the first day of class and being out of commission for about a week and half, but most of it was me not focusing on my school work and getting distracted.

I've finally come to a realization as to why I'm having this issue. I'm scared sh*tless. My boyfriend got fired from his server job back in September (for not selling enough desserts at a Mexican restaurant, how stupid is that?) and has been on unemployment since then. While Oregon is not the worst off economically of the states, it's certainly not doing well. Last I checked we had about a 10 or 11% unemployment rate. I was supposed to graduate this spring, but because I screwed up fall term and didn't pass a class that is required for my major and only offered once a year, I have to put off graduation until fall term next year. Basically, I'm afraid of graduating because once I do, I'm going to have to go out and find a real job and support myself and my boyfriend until he finds a job that doesn't pay less than his unemployment benefits (or once they run out, any job he can find). I've never really had to support myself before, and that's what scares me, let alone having to work to support someone else as well. I've always had someone else to rely on, whether it be my parents or a significant other. Not to say that I haven't worked because I have. I've never had a wonderful job, but I've worked full time and done my part, I've just never been the sole or main breadwinner before. The whole "real job" thing would only be temporary, probably a year and half max, as I still need to get my teacher's certification before I can really go after my career goals.

So basically I'm wondering if anyone else has ever self sabotaged themselves because they were afraid of growing up? I feel ridiculous saying that since I'm 26 years old, but that's essentially how I feel. How did you deal with it, or how would you deal with it if you were in my situation? Figuring out the problem is the first step of course, but I'm not entirely sure what to do about it now, other than try my best to be aware of when I'm self sabotaging and to try and fight it as best I can.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2010 12:06am by PigtailsOfDoom
#2 Apr 23 2010 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
I can't help you, but I think I sort of know what you feel. I am really glad that I'm probably going to be in education for another eight years and a bit before I have to concern myself with reality and all that.

That being said, I need to translate my job application/looking for agent advert thingy now.
#3 Apr 23 2010 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
I moved out of the house in a small town in NH at 18, moved to Boston, & have supported myself ever since.

I'll tell you what worked for me; hotels. They're everywhere, you can do the job anywhere, & depending on the market tend to pay well with benefits. No, it probably isn't your major, but when you need to support yourself you gotta do what you gotta do.
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#4 Apr 23 2010 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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PigtailsOfDoom the Eccentric wrote:
So basically I'm wondering if anyone else has ever self sabotaged themselves because they were afraid of growing up?
Almost daily. I'm still in shock, almost a year later, that I was able to get my life to the point where I could buy a house. I'm even more shocked that I've been able to keep up with all of my bills. I've had a bad habit of just not paying them in the past, for no reason that I can figure out other than I subconsciously want to fail. I still have the luxury of falling back on my parents if I really ***** up, but being responsible for stuff scares the **** out of me.

I'm doing the same thing right now with this certification that I have to get to keep my job. I've been putting off studying for it. I'll study a little, then goof off. I finally had to just schedule it for next Friday to force myself to study. I hope it works. :P
Just about everyone else at work took care of theirs about a month ago.
#5 Apr 23 2010 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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Start looking now. That's the best idea. It'll be really tough without a degree yet, but your college should have a program for brushing up your resume, and if it's worth its salt there should be some program to meet with prospective employers. Hit up job fairs. Apply everywhere you can. Do everything you can NOW instead of when you graduate because by then it'll be really late and you'll be screwed.

When I graduated I hadn't had an internship and my degree (BS in Business Management) was worthless for a starting position... no one's going to hire a manager who has never actually managed something before. I looked for months before getting lucky and landing my current job. Not a great job, but I make enough to support myself, pay off my bills, and still stash away 10% of each pay check for retirement.

Yeah, best idea is to apply everywhere, make sure your resume is ready in advance, and network while you can still use your school's resources.

Also, do NOT go into a graduate program unless you know you can make money off of it. There's no telling if the economy will be significantly better in 1-2 years, and you'll saddle yourself with a ton more debt.
#6 Apr 23 2010 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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I'm 26 as well, and I just graduated last year. Since my field is very, very small (librarian), my graduating class of 20 people or so has had a really, really rough time. Most of us are mid-20's and older, so we're all in the same position. The only job I could find was half-time so I've been working at this school since September in the mornings, as well as a minimum wage job some afternoons and weekends. 20 hours a week at the school job and anywhere from 3-20 hours at the other job, usually only around 8-12 hours at the other (and I HATE that job, absolutely hate it). My sister is an assistant manager at a store, and we're trying to save some money to get a house. However, she's got car payments and we pay $300 rent every 2 weeks (each), so we've been saving half a year now and don't expect to have enough save for a down payment for about 6-8 months minimum, since I'll be basically jobless over the summer.

We're pretty much scared sh*tless, too. I'm trying to get a better job, but there are no openings anywhere and I'm incredibly stressed out over it as this job will not offer my full time hours and pays at least $2/hr less than elsewhere. My sister's job is pretty dead-end, and she has a BA. I CAN get a good job, IF there are any openings, but no one in libraries retires - great benefits, easy work, why not stay until you're 70? Frustrating, and all I want to do is curl up and cry sometimes because I was one of the top people in my class and I'm still living at home working part-time.

Can your boyfriend not find any work that pays better than unemployment? Are you working part-time while in school? Is that feasable? Is it possible to take classes through distance education so you can work more? My first year of library school was classes 6-8 hours a day and then working 20+ hours a week, as well. I don't really recommend that, but the money got me through my second year when the store I worked at closed.

So, yeah, I feel you. All I can say is what I have to tell myself every morning - everything will work out. I hope.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2010 12:11pm by AnaraWarren
#7 Apr 23 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
It is a little scary to have the burden of responsibility heaped onto your shoulders. But I can't tell you how good it will feel to find out that you can do it, and you don't need to depend on anyone.

I can't help much on the job front, as I've been at my job almost ten years now and haven't had to worry about the rising unemployment rates. But if I were you, I'd scan the want ads and look for secretarial (or "administrative assistant") jobs. Sure, they're boring, but they'll usually pay ok (I started at $20,000 a year, and that was ten years ago) and you might get some benefits from it.

If that and the hotel thing that someone else mentioned doesn't pan out, you might try checking your college's bulletin board for job postings. They might not be stellar, but at least you'll get a little income.

Good luck!
#8 Apr 23 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
I watch kids do it all the time at work. Many are totally afraid of going back to the real world. Some have no families to support them anymore. Kind of sad that they fail and end up in the big house instead of going out and giving life another try.

Nothing is easy. Until you go out and give it your all you will never know if your going to use your college skills. Hiding will only prolong the problems. Don't be disapointed if that "Uber Job" does not happen first time. Sometimes it takes steps to get to that point.
#9 Apr 23 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
I am the last person on the planet that any of my friends thought would end up with a mortgage, wife and kids. If I can do it, anyone can.

Remember 1 thing: Unless your daddy owns the company, everyone starts out at the bottom.

Living in a sh;tty one bedroom apartment is good for you and you will look back on it with fond memories. Spend some time enjoying the scenery as you work your way up. The lessons you learn will be invaluable. I started out in business as a secretary. I am now in a position to impact the bottom line of a multi-billion dollar global corporation by 10-15% every year. I worked my way up from secretary to code monkey to architect to career change and beyond with no formal training of any kind. NEVER turn down an opportunity to learn something new.

You'll be fine. Don't freak out about the things you have no control over.
#10 Apr 23 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
So basically I'm wondering if anyone else has ever self sabotaged themselves because they were afraid of growing up?

I spent half of my 20's playing FFXI, if that counts.

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I watch kids do it all the time at work.

Creepy, dude.
#11 Apr 23 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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kylen wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
So basically I'm wondering if anyone else has ever self sabotaged themselves because they were afraid of growing up?

I spent half of my 20's playing FFXI, if that counts.


It does.
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#12 Apr 23 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I actually spent a year and a half before I came back to school, living at home and working as a hotel front desk clerk, so I do have experience with it. For the most part I enjoyed it, especially since it was in a small town and I could bring my laptop and fart around when I didn't have any work to do, or watch TV. That reminds me, I need to go down to a hotel a friend of mine works at and apply there for the summer. I was going to do it on Tuesday, but I got distracted with all this stress going on. I could also go for secretarial jobs with the hotel experience too, so that's definitely something to keep in mind.

As far as grad school goes, my career goal is to be an English teacher, preferably high school but if I can only find a job at a middle school I'll deal. The teacher's market is pretty good right now in some states, not so hot in others. As long as I get my teacher's cert. here in Oregon, I'll be set. It's weird because we have one of the best training programs in the country here, yet we pay our teacher's **** and they all go elsewhere to get jobs. I'll probably do the same.

While I'm in school I do work part time in the dining facilities for the students who live on campus. It's about 12 hours a week which is pretty much all I can handle. I also have a rather beefy financial aid package as well since I'm older and only make about $2000 a year from my part time job. That's pretty much what my boyfriend and I have been living on since he got laid off, well other than his unemployment benefits. He's been trying to find another job as a server, which is part of the reason why he's been struggling to find work. Now he's open to pretty much anything he can find that pays him more than $200 a week, which is what he's getting from the state. He has a wide berth of job experience, from being a server to a cashier to construction to a purchasing agent, but the only college experience he has is two years at an unaccredited Baptist college. He's thought about going back to school, in the hopes that he could get as good of a financial aid package as I have (which is pretty likely) but he has no idea what kind of degree he would want to get and the prospect of starting over from the beginning and taking 4+ years to finish is not very appealing to him.

My school has a job fair every term, and unfortunately the one this term has already passed. I'm not sure if they offer one during the summer, but if they do I'll attend it. At the very least, I'll go to the one during fall term, which is hopefully when I will be graduating. At the very least it'll be six months between when I graduate and when I start back up at grad school, but it's probably more likely to be a year and a half because I could really use a break.

Thanks for the words of encouragement and advice guys, I do appreciate it. I worked my butt off today writing one of the papers that's past due, and I'm rather proud of it. It's definitely one of the better ones I've ever written. So that helps too.
#13 Apr 23 2010 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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As far as grad school goes, my career goal is to be an English teacher, preferably high school but if I can only find a job at a middle school I'll deal. The teacher's market is pretty good right now in some states, not so hot in others. As long as I get my teacher's cert. here in Oregon, I'll be set. It's weird because we have one of the best training programs in the country here, yet we pay our teacher's sh*t and they all go elsewhere to get jobs. I'll probably do the same.


You'll be an amazing teacher, Pigtails.
#14 Apr 23 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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If your husband can't make $200 a week serving, that's pretty bad. I can take home more than that in a day.
#15 Apr 23 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Good
He should be able to make that pan-handling in Oregon. It's a fertile market, apparently.
#16 Apr 23 2010 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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He's been trying to find another job as a server, which is part of the reason why he's been struggling to find work. Now he's open to pretty much anything he can find that pays him more than $200 a week, which is what he's getting from the state. He has a wide berth of job experience, from being a server to a cashier to construction to a purchasing agent, but the only college experience he has is two years at an unaccredited Baptist college. He's thought about going back to school, in the hopes that he could get as good of a financial aid package as I have (which is pretty likely) but he has no idea what kind of degree he would want to get and the prospect of starting over from the beginning and taking 4+ years to finish is not very appealing to him.


He needs to do whatever he can to make ends meet & support you. I'd suggest school, since I'll always recommend that people should spend as much time as possible being a student, but that's only because after highschool, with the exception of about half a year as an english major at UMASS Boston, I didn't spend much time doing so.

Experience is always helpful, but as a server EVERYONE has experience. Have him take a bar tending class, they make more money than servers.
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#17 Apr 24 2010 at 2:35 AM Rating: Good
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As far as grad school goes, my career goal is to be an English teacher, preferably high school but if I can only find a job at a middle school I'll deal. The teacher's market is pretty good right now in some states, not so hot in others. As long as I get my teacher's cert. here in Oregon, I'll be set. It's weird because we have one of the best training programs in the country here, yet we pay our teacher's sh*t and they all go elsewhere to get jobs. I'll probably do the same.


You'll be an amazing teacher, Pigtails.


Oh bite me. I've had 9 hours of sleep in the last two days. Smiley: tongue

My boyfriend COULD make more than $200 as a server, he did when he still was one. The problem is, server jobs are really rare in our town right now. Most restaurants are laying people off, not hiring. He's got two years total experience, between two different restaurants, one a Mexican corporately owned place, the other was an independent Italian fine dining restaurant. He made much better tips at the Italian restaurant. The Mexican one seemed to attract a lot of stingy college students and more middle class types, where the Italian restaurant attracted a lot more older, upper class types who tipped quite well.

He also has a little bit of bartender experience, and he has his OLCC license (what you need to serve alcohol here). He's applied for a few bartender jobs, but he doesn't even get called in for interviews. He goes to the bars later on, and they've hired young, attractive women. I think I will encourage him to go back to school come next year though. Unfortunately, to get a good financial aid package you have to time things right. You need to file a FAFSA for the following school year by like February or March at the absolute latest. I suppose at this point he could fill it out now and see what he gets, but we would need him to get a full ride package like I have to be able to afford it.
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