Well those words won't be censored forever. You couldn't say "breast" a century ago (obviously not personal account, just what I've heard from really old people).
The old people who find those words really offensive will die eventually, and new generations will find new words to take the places of "sh*t" "***" and "@#%^" when enough of the old @#%^er die. Words change meaning over time; most of those swears are commonplace enough even right now. In 30 years I'd bet that they get perceived even more tamely.
When that happens, and my generation is composed of old ******** I'm sure we'll be fighting just as hard to "save and protect the youth" from some sort of imagined degeneration of culture. Many people don't see a difference between "degeneration" and "change"
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 11:12am by Pensive
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And, this whole thread spawned because someone was angry about not being able to see little girls naked in an anime?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
While I do believe that things in general should not be censored, I think that there should at least be appropriate warnings if there's going to be gratuitous gore. For instance, a girl I know fainted when we watched the D-Day scene in Saving Private Ryan in history class. She is someone that would benefit from warnings of gore and whatnot.
Swearing... meh. When used extensively, cursing might as well not exist. "Fuck, goddamn nigger's cunt fucking tight," has absolutely no effect, and I believe it's doing a disservice to the intended nature of curses. IMHO, we have swear words to provide emphasis and "shock value" where they're the most effective. What gets the point across better, the absurdly long strings of swearing in Pulp Fiction, or Marge saying "Goddamn" for what I believe is the first time ever in The Simpsons Movie?
EDIT: Forgot to break the filter.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 11:33am by DodoBird
Swearing... meh. When used extensively, cursing might as well not exist. "Fuck, goddamn nigger's cunt fucking tight," has absolutely no effect, and I believe it's doing a disservice to the intended nature of curses. IMHO, we have swear words to provide emphasis and "shock value" where they're the most effective. What gets the point across better, the absurdly long strings of swearing in Pulp Fiction, or Marge saying "Goddamn" for what I believe is the first time ever in The Simpsons Movie?
EDIT: Forgot to break the filter.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 11:33am by DodoBird
DodoBird wrote:
While I do believe that things in general should not be censored, I think that there should at least be appropriate warnings if there's going to be gratuitous gore.
This reminds me of a time maybe ten years ago, maybe less, I smoke a lot of pot, when I was watching FOX one night. One show ended, and the teaser said, "Coming up next on MADTV," and showed some preview. Then the screen faded to black, and MADTV came on.
It was a prison scene, with scared kids sitting in chairs while priosn-hard inmates stalked around them, relating how horrible it really is in prison. Right when I thought the punch-line was coming, this huge black dude looked directly into the camera and said:
"Get the fUckin' camera out my face," and it was totally unedited.
I was shocked, to say the least. It turned out that it was a "scared straight" show, which aired without any warning and was moments earlier advertised as our regularly scheduled MADTV. Man, I bet they got in trouble for that.
I watched the whole show, by the way, because it is really fun watching convicted murderers teach teens.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I watched the whole show, by the way, because it is really fun watching convicted murderers teach teens.
Sounds kinky.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
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Swearing... meh. When used extensively, cursing might as well not exist. *********** goddamn ******'s **** ******* tight," has absolutely no effect, and I believe it's doing a disservice to the intended nature of curses.
Well yeah, because they are more commonplace now, they lose their desired effect and just become regular words. It's like how we have to keep making euphemisms for things: what was once "retarded" becomes "mentally challenged" becomes "differently abled" although that represents the trend in reverse I guess. The words we have now become pejoratives and then have to be replaced with more fluffy ones. With swear words they lose that kind of derogatory nature.
Hell even "gay" did this, once before going from "happy" to "homosexual" and again now. I can't say that "Gay" means the same as "homosexual" in many cases now. Often it just means "stupid" or "unfair". When someone says, "give me that motherfucking item" I doubt that what that person really has in mind is that the item has had sex with someone's mother. The meaning is something more akin to "exceedingly aggravating/troublesome"
Censorship sucks. It's utter useless and utterly pointless. Like it's been said before, it's because lazy *** parents are too lazy to actually watch what their children watch. I find it rather annoying to be watching movies on TV that I probably wouldn't buy and watch have their audio cut off at points and then starts up again, or when the scene cuts out early. If people can't handle it, then don't watch it dumbass.
I think that after like 10/11pm, they should stop the censoring. Kids aren't going to be up and if they are and end up watching it, more power to them. It's not like keeping them from seeing something on TV is going to prevent them from actually seeing it in the Real World.
What the hell is that Tsuki? That's some strange loli-type show I'm afraid to ask where you find these things.
I think that after like 10/11pm, they should stop the censoring. Kids aren't going to be up and if they are and end up watching it, more power to them. It's not like keeping them from seeing something on TV is going to prevent them from actually seeing it in the Real World.
What the hell is that Tsuki? That's some strange loli-type show
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What the hell is that Tsuki? That's some strange loli-type show I'm afraid to ask where you find these things.
I'm afraid to ask where you find these things.What can't you find in japan?
At least they look adorable while performing censored acts!
Warning - not work safe, and younger viewers might take care as well.
Penn and Tellers BS - Profanity part 1, profanity part 2, profanity part 3.
Because 3 links are better than one, epseically when it's Penn and Teller.
Penn and Tellers BS - Profanity part 1, profanity part 2, profanity part 3.
Because 3 links are better than one, epseically when it's Penn and Teller.
depends on the channel, time of day, etc.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
Singdall wrote:
depends on the channel, time of day, etc.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
Says you. Maybe those kids wouldn't be at risk for watching things they shouldn't be if their parents were paying attention to what they were doing. That's what the off switch is for.
KassandrahKnight wrote:
Singdall wrote:
depends on the channel, time of day, etc.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
Says you. Maybe those kids wouldn't be at risk for watching things they shouldn't be if their parents were paying attention to what they were doing. That's what the off switch is for.
Maybe you need to stop being so damn ultra conservative and get your head out of your ***. You can't see the light of day for your own opinions getting in the way.
Lord Justdistaint wrote:
Prom Queen NixNot wrote:
@#%^ censoring, but, only at specific times and places. Late late night, like after 8 or 10 pm, penises and boobs on tv! Curses flowing like wastewater from a hobo community! Graphic violence the likes of which will quench even the bloodthirstiest of palettes!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! VIVA LA <user was bant for this post>
VIVA LA REVOLUTION! VIVA LA <user was bant for this post>
You do remember your an admin right? Its kinda hard to ban yourself.
(Two dubiouses in one thread!)
No, no, it's been done before.
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KassandrahKnight wrote:
Singdall wrote:
depends on the channel, time of day, etc.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
Says you. Maybe those kids wouldn't be at risk for watching things they shouldn't be if their parents were paying attention to what they were doing. That's what the off switch is for.
Because as a parent you can watch them every minute of the day, including when you're not home and when they're at a friend's house, right?
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 2:56pm by DodoBird
IMO people who are seriously worried about what their kids see on TV are silly.
Odds are they're seeing what you don't want them to when they go over to their friends house anyways.
That's what I did as a kid at least. I learned more about life/sex/curse words on the bus and on TV than I did from my parents. I learned how to say f*ck and when you should say it, WAY before I learned what it meant.
Wouldn't it be smarter to focus on education of the topic rather than elimination of the topic?
I mean, telling little Timmy why it's wrong to rape and murder people like the man he seen on TV seems a HELL of a lot smarter than telling him to look away and letting him find out on his own through experimentation, don't you think?
Burying ones head in the sand and pretending that something bad isn't there, won't make it go away.
It won't be an easy conversation by any means, but IMO it's much better than the possible alternatives.
Edit: Dammit Dodo, you read my mind and beat me to it by 8 min. lol
Oh well, rate up for great minds thinking alike at times.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 3:08pm by jklotros
Odds are they're seeing what you don't want them to when they go over to their friends house anyways.
That's what I did as a kid at least. I learned more about life/sex/curse words on the bus and on TV than I did from my parents. I learned how to say f*ck and when you should say it, WAY before I learned what it meant.
Wouldn't it be smarter to focus on education of the topic rather than elimination of the topic?
I mean, telling little Timmy why it's wrong to rape and murder people like the man he seen on TV seems a HELL of a lot smarter than telling him to look away and letting him find out on his own through experimentation, don't you think?
Burying ones head in the sand and pretending that something bad isn't there, won't make it go away.
It won't be an easy conversation by any means, but IMO it's much better than the possible alternatives.
Edit: Dammit Dodo, you read my mind and beat me to it by 8 min. lol
Oh well, rate up for great minds thinking alike at times.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 3:08pm by jklotros
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Maybe you need to stop being so damn ultra conservative and get your head out of your ***. You can't see the light of day for your own opinions getting in the way.
Opposing moral paternalism is conservative? Christ I must have been misled all this time, thinking that conservatives were the most paternalistic of anyone, about morals.
KassandrahKnight wrote:
Singdall wrote:
depends on the channel, time of day, etc.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
there are just somethings that do not need to be shown on public TV (fox, cbs, abc, etc..) specially during daylight hours were children have a higher chance of seeing it.
if you are talking something like Showtime or HBO, that is an other matter, but again IMHO rated R movies and what not should be be available during daylight hours were kids might catch it without parental supervision.
Says you. Maybe those kids wouldn't be at risk for watching things they shouldn't be if their parents were paying attention to what they were doing. That's what the off switch is for.
tell me you hover over your children 24/7/365? impossible. also tell me you restrict 100% of their activities? yeah right.
it is not for the TV, gov. etc... to tell me what is good or bad for my child. that is my job. it just makes my job a bit easier when things that are not child friendly are not displayed during hours that most children are not awake.
as for educating them vs preventing them from being expossed, you should do BOTH. it is MY job as a parent to chose what is best for MY children. i do not want my children watching chainsaw massacre, or other movies like that as neither of them are ready for that level of violence, real or not. things like that do not need to be displayed on a TV during the time of day children should normally be awake. IIRC the FCC sets the time at 9pm for "adult" viewing material. so if chainsaw massacre were on at say 2pm in the afternoon, i would be well within my rights to be pissed off.
i do educate my children about things, but again the time and age of exposure is 100% up to me, not you so do not force things that are "adult" material on my child before I DECIDE they are ready for it.
jklotros wrote:
IMO people who are seriously worried about what their kids see on TV are silly.
And people in this thread who are "against censorship" uniformly are also silly. I've seen the examples of the news talking about a rape at a crackhouse. Why stop there? The anti-censors must also support footage of the girls battered body and violated ****** and ****, along with ***** if there is any. And if the rapist taped the event, showing that in its entirety. And also support something like this being interspersed between random TV shows, after all the parents are supposed to be watching 100% of the time with the remote in their hand with their thumbs hovered over the Off switch. And deciding not to air a certain thing at a certain time for fear of effect on the viewer would also be censorship.
6-year old kids don't need to be watching raped vaginas, or Sudanese machete attacks, or hardcore ****, or videos of abortions during their daily viewing routine or Saturday cartoons. Hell, I don't need to be subjected to that. Is it smarter to explain these things to six-year olds than to not let them watch it? No, not really. Unless you want a nation of Dahmers.
I get the sense many are just being knee-jerk to the word "censorship". As if it's a first amendment right for people to be able/forced to watch or hear anything at any time.
Censorship ******* sucks!
See?!
See?!
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
suck ****
SEE CENSORSHIP SUCKS!!! SEEE!?!?
Palpitus wrote:
And people in this thread who are "against censorship" uniformly are also silly. I've seen the examples of the news talking about a rape at a crackhouse. Why stop there? The anti-censors must also support footage of the girls battered body and violated ****** and ****, along with ***** if there is any. And if the rapist taped the event, showing that in its entirety. And also support something like this being interspersed between random TV shows, after all the parents are supposed to be watching 100% of the time with the remote in their hand with their thumbs hovered over the Off switch. And deciding not to air a certain thing at a certain time for fear of effect on the viewer would also be censorship.
Well, perhaps if we flooded media with images of rape-torn vaginas and bullet-wounds in asshOles folks could live vicariously through those images and wouldn't feel the urges to commit such atrocities themselves. So basically, censorship breeds rapists and murderers. Why do you support rape and murder? Are you a communist? Terrorist? Mike Tyson? OJ?
If the parents are that worried about their children, there's a little something called Parental Controls that they can put on the cable box to prevent shows with a certain rating/content from being shown unless the password is keyed in. There, parents don't have to worry about their children watching shows that they have a problem with. The problem isn't with the shows on TV, it's with the negligence of parents. If parents would take an active role in controlling their children then these problems would be avoided.
I agree with Hellboy, Censorship sucks.
I agree with Hellboy, Censorship sucks.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Well, perhaps if we flooded media with images of rape-torn vaginas and bullet-wounds in asshOles folks could live vicariously through those images and wouldn't feel the urges to commit such atrocities themselves. So basically, censorship breeds rapists and murderers. Why do you support rape and murder? Are you a communist? Terrorist? Mike Tyson? OJ?
Tyson didn't rape that *****, OJ was framed by whitey, terrorists are as humane as orchid-growers according to moral relativism, and communists just want everybody to be happy. I support happy, you support sad.
PaladinStargazer wrote:
If the parents are that worried about their children, there's a little something called Parental Controls that they can put on the cable box to prevent shows with a certain rating/content from being shown unless the password is keyed in. There, parents don't have to worry about their children watching shows that they have a problem with. The problem isn't with the shows on TV, it's with the negligence of parents. If parents would take an active role in controlling their children then these problems would be avoided.
You're advocating censorship yourself in suggesting that there should be shows with certain rating/content that would be acceptable for children to watch.
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I agree with Hellboy, Censorship sucks.
And yet you advocate it?
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