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#1 Jan 16 2007 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Admin edit: Ok, we're done here now. If I see another thread on this I will be annoyed.

Edited, Jan 19th 2007 10:54pm by Kaolian
#2 Jan 16 2007 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you better point on specific threads, give reason why it's not a good idea to lock it.

I've only seen very very few locked threads... maybe 3-4? in 5 first pages in main forum? and probably 5-6moved ones
#3 Jan 16 2007 at 4:23 AM Rating: Default
In before lock!
#4 Jan 16 2007 at 4:36 AM Rating: Good
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I see three locked threads on the 1st page; one moved, two closed because they'd descended into a waste of bandwidth.

People were complaining not so long ago that Alla seemed to have no moderation. I'm happy to see things being done now. Is it unfair? Maybe, but sometimes, sub-defaulting doesn't happen fast enough, not to mention how broken karma inherently is on this forum.
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Edited, Jan 19th 2007 10:32am by GalkaPriest
#6 Jan 16 2007 at 5:18 AM Rating: Default
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People were complaining not so long ago that Alla seemed to have no moderation. I'm happy to see things being done now. Is it unfair? Maybe, but sometimes, sub-defaulting doesn't happen fast enough, not to mention how broken karma inherently is on this forum.


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#7 Jan 16 2007 at 5:38 AM Rating: Default
I happen to agree with Priest on this one. Its one thing to have things removed because they are offencive. Its another to remove something because you have the power to do so and not liking the topic, link, or players points of view. Its in human nature to argue. There isn't a forum in the world where people don't disagree.

Also why is it mostly here? What aren't the other forums like servers and jobs being effected? I think Admin needs to remember there job isn't to push thier point of view, there job is to stop herassment and remove spam. If an Admin as a point of view he is more then welcome to post it, but not edit or lock someone thread
#8 Jan 16 2007 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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If someone can find an example of an admin going "I disagree with your point, lock thread", fair enough. But I'm not seeing this, just vastly below-par threads being closed before they turn into drama-fests, or things being moved to their proper place.
#9 Jan 16 2007 at 5:48 AM Rating: Default
I don't think Admin have to right to stop drama. If you don't like a thread, point of view or anything anyone writes you do NOT have to post/bumb that thread. Also Allakhazam has krama, If you don't like what a person says and you can vote, you can vote that person down. We all make are own drama and I don't think it should be the job of the Admin to stop it. It should be the users of this site. If there is drama its cause we as users make it so. We have the power to keep a thread alive or let it die.

Edited, Jan 16th 2007 8:43am by Silvinci
#10 Jan 16 2007 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Silvinci wrote:
I don't think Admin have to right to stop drama. If you don't like a thread, point of view or anything anyone writes you do NOT have to post/bumb that thread. Also Allakhazam has krama, If you don't like what a person says and you can vote, you can vote that person down.


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People were complaining not so long ago that Alla seemed to have no moderation. I'm happy to see things being done now. Is it unfair? Maybe, but sometimes, sub-defaulting doesn't happen fast enough, not to mention how broken karma inherently is on this forum.


Yes, I'm quoting myself, because I can't phrase it any better.

And I think Admin should have stopping drama part of their job. Not arguments, but full-on flame fests that contribute nothing to the forum.
#11 Jan 16 2007 at 6:19 AM Rating: Default
An admin locking the thread is equivalent to your mother saying "Enough!" when you were fighting with friends in grade school.

And let's face it, the majority of Alla posters act like they ARE still in grade school.. OP included.
#12 Jan 16 2007 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Off topic threads get locked or moved. Offensive threads get locked. Threads that we get user complaints about get locked. Moving a thread locks it automatically. Flame threads in the FFXI forum will generally get locked.
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#14 Jan 16 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Default
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I am quite pleased with this new trend of moving/locking threads in/out of forums they do/don't belong.
#15 Jan 16 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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#16 Jan 16 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Threads get locked because they need to be.

Often is for RMT ads, or offensive remarks. Occasionally it's because of silliness or general /hijacking.

Almost always it's a good thing, especially with the broken karma system that is nothing more than an e-peen contest now, rather than finding people that still give good information. Sadly, when it comest to FFXI, most of the good posters left last year, after the official announcement that "the company that owns ige, also owns Alla".

Hell, even I took a hiatus from Alla, but you know what? I don't see any gil selling going on here, and the RMT rule enforcement is even faster and more strict now. I'm impressed with the admins, and think they're doing a damn good job.
#17 Jan 16 2007 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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GalkaPriest,

your concern for my job here is noted, but do remember you are NOT the one who gets to tell me what I should and should not LOCK because of your OPINIONS.

I have been visiting this site since NA release, longer than you have been here. I have seen the way this forum has changed and evolved, the types of posters who post here. And I certainly believe I have a good sense of judgement when to lock a thread.

Before I was an admin here there was PIKKO and EXO. Both who did an astounding job with the time they had to offer, but for such a huge forum it unfortunately wasn't enough.

Now I am here I DO intend to STOP, as best I can, the amount of incescant and degenerative threads that are seen on this forum.

I like how you say 'Admin is locking threads' and I shouldn't be doing so yet you have not linked ONE SINGLE example.

I can give you an example right now: The Windower Thread.

Yeah, you obviously know that one. 'Anyone get banned for only using Windower?'

Reason it was locked? It started degenerating after the OP had his full of other posters calling him a hacker/botter/whatever. It would have gotten a LOT worse if I left it in the main forum, I said about 3-4 pages at least.

BOTTOM LINE IS THIS:

If your thread gets LOCKED you are more then welcome to send me a PM asking why it got locked and you WILL get a reasonable answer.

But if you are looking to be some sort of righteous Alla freedom fighter and simply complain about OTHERS' threads being locked you are simply wasting your time and pissing me off.

Also, I NEVER and WILL NEVER edit anyones post unless it strictly has something it shouldn't have. Usually Kaolin deals with that anyway.

Good day.

Edited, Jan 16th 2007 2:10pm by ImperialNinja
#18 Jan 16 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Default
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#19 Jan 16 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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#20 Jan 16 2007 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have more to say, but wanted to get one thing straight first before I take so long to post that 10 more posts pop up, when we lock a thread, we have to "Edit Post". That does NOT mean that we have deleted anything. You will see the "Edited by XXX" on every single locked post.
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#21 Jan 16 2007 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
Sorry GP, but I totally agree with IN. You're initial post here was calling into question, and quite rudely, the decisions of the "admin" here. You spoke of unfairness, yet none that was specifically directed at you. You didn't even cite any examples of what you considered unfair.

I moderate a couple of other boards (Days Of Our Lives related,lol) and I just want to mention something on this "public forum---freedom of speech" thing. This forum, like others, is public in the sense that anyone can join and interact. And posters have the right to say whatever they wish; however, the "admins" here are just other posters when it comes down to it, with just as many rights as you are claiming to have. They have the right to remove or cease discussions that they feel are calumniatory or disrespectful to the other members of this board. In fact, I believe when you join here you are prompted to read the TOS that specifically state that posts may be removed/altered/locked.

The great thing about people's rights is that if they in any way disagree with the administrative actions in a particular forum, then they are always free to exercise their right to leave that forum...or create their own with their specific rules/regulations.

Just keep in mind that this is not a government run agency with guidelines that must be followed to ensure constitutional rights of the people. This is message forum on the internet...about a game. >.>

#22 Jan 16 2007 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Seems to me that Imperial Ninja is on a bit of a power trip, based on the comments made.
#23 Jan 16 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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So I PMd GalkaPriest with an apology about how I put my points across.

The transition from poster to admin isn't going to be an easy one but I'll learn.

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Seems to me that Imperial Ninja is on a bit of a power trip, based on the comments made.


Nope, just woke up and wasn't in a great mood.
#24 Jan 16 2007 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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GalkaPriest,

I understand your concern and although it is a valid one, I really do not see why it has become an issue for you. I searched back 5 pages (250 threads) on this board and found a total of 3 locked threads:

Paladins - locked because people were playing LAST
A GM's mistake (serious) - locked to avoid flame festivities
banned for windower?!?!?! - locked because of the topic

I agree with the locking for all of these. The windower one is a bit questionable because it is a definite red flag for flame bait but seems like some people never tire of talking about it. To each his own I guess. I see no harm in locking a windower thread simply because another one will pop up in a week or so.

There is one locked thread you cannot see, but this is because the poster was banned.

There were six moved threads. These threads are auto-locked when they are moved.

People talk all the time about how these forums are a disgrace because of the rampant repeat threads, flame fests, trolls, and noobs. Why is it that a mere 1.2% lock rate is being criticized here? Users should always have concern for their board, but I have to respectfully disagree with this one this time because I just don't see evidence supporting it.
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#25REDACTED, Posted: Jan 16 2007 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think priest is right. Admin do have to right to post there points of view and idea's but when it comes to locking a thread cause it could lead to a ***** fest is not cool. I have had my mind changed by many of writters here that disagree with my ideas. To lock my threads cause too many posters are kids and being idoits isn't fare to those of use that have a good point of view or idea.
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I would first like to say...IM comeing back to this Forum because of the Moderation going on now...Its good to moderate trash out of a forum...I left this Website long time back after all the Garbage started getting posted, specifically on Server Forums...Now that the moderaters are takeing action, the Website is starting to shape up...I salute Pikko on her Efforts to make this a Great Website...I play on Garuda Server as Well, and Have talked to Pikko once about her Pikko Pots...But Im glad to be comeing back to this website after a Long away...Congratulations to Imperial for Makeing Moderator Status, yes it will be a Hard Transition, but I have faith you will do well..Well I have rambled enough..But keep up the Good Work Imperial and Pikko and the other Moderators...:)
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