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#52 Oct 06 2014 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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If I notice while at the store I say something, assuming the people working there weren't ****** I'm not really about to go back if I notice when I get home.
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#53 Oct 08 2014 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Not "honestly" at all. If you were honest, you'd acknowledge when you choose to point this out and why.

I'm pointing it out because you're a hypocrite.


No. You're pointing it out because you'd rather attack me over an unrelated choice I made 12 years ago than defend the position you took just a week ago in this thread.

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It's not about what I did. It's about you not wanting to defend what you did.

I didn't do anything, chucklenuts. Remember?


Yes you did. You posted that if you were faced with a given ethical scenario, you would make the wrong choice. Not "I made a wrong choice once in the past, and it was a bad idea, and I'm posting to tell people not to make this bad decision themselves" *(which, btw, is what I did 2 years ago). But "If this situation came up tomorrow, here's the choice I'd make". That was what you "did" that you are tap dancing around defending. You took a position that I find to be extremely unethical.

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It was a hypothetical.


That's a total cop out. We're having a conversation about honesty and ethics. It's all hypothetical. So what?

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Unlike you who actually did do something and yet somehow still found the moxie to start lecturing people on their hypothetical answers while standing hip-deep in mud.


Yes. Did do. Regretted doing. Advised people not to do. Surely you can see the difference between that and what you are doing?

You, on the other hand, are espousing a very specific ethical position. Not one you just took one time in the past. Not one you regretted taking and have resolved to never do again. And not one you advise people against doing in the future. You are telling us all what you would do in a given situation, presumably any time it may come up in the future. I think it's completely fair for others in the thread (myself included) to question the ethics of that decision. And falling back on "but you did something else once" is a crappy counter.


I find it reprehensible that your decision whether to be honest about a register mistake varies based on your perception of the business itself. I get that you are trying to hand wave it away with "it's not worth bothering about", but you didn't initially say that. You made a specific point of agreeing that you'd be more likely to correct a mistake in your favor at a small mom and pop store than at a big chain store. I don't think that should make any difference at all.

Why do you think it does? Why is this ok? Do you actually think it's less dishonest to do this to a big chain store? I want you to actually explain your logic here. No distractions. no side arguments. Tell us why you're ok with ripping off a chain store in a situation where you'd avoid doing so if it was a smaller shop? I suspect this is tied into some kind of social justice argument (which I find completely BS, for a whole host or reasons), but I'm curious if you can come up with another explanation.

Edited, Oct 8th 2014 7:27pm by gbaji
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#54 Oct 08 2014 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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#55 Oct 08 2014 at 9:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I do, I do, I do!!

Honest!

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#56 Oct 08 2014 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I guarantee you that no one cares about this thread anymore.

At least someone's posting.



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#57 Oct 09 2014 at 2:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still pretty sad that my answer to a hypothetical question apparently makes me a really bad person.
#58 Oct 09 2014 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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I like the guy who regularly makes unethical decisions is both calling other people unethical and complaining that their unethical decisions shouldn't be taken into account.
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#59 Oct 09 2014 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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I guarantee you that no one cares about this thread anymore.
i wish it would stop popping up as I really do get sickened a bit by the responses in here.
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#61 Oct 09 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji, until you can be truthful to yourself, you can't be truthful to others.

Love is supposedly like that too.
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#63 Oct 09 2014 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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You're a very sensitive man.
Just more proof of me being a conservative.
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I figured that you crying about the consumer abuse of big business box stores was proof enough Smiley: grin
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#65 Oct 10 2014 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Really? My little brother stole a little pocket sized toy motocycle from a chain grocery store once when we were kids (just picked it up to play with it and "forgot" that he'd put it in his pocket). When my mom realized he had the toy, she immediately turned the family truckster around, drove back to the store, marched him to the store manager and had him return it and apologize. And, at the risk of cross thread shenanigans, he probably got a spanking that night (don't actually remember for sure).


He's 1.5 years old, obviously the cane is the only answer...
#66 Oct 11 2014 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Terrible parenting if she did indeed spank him that night. Corporal punishment is pointless when applied way the hell after the fact.
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#67 Oct 11 2014 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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I'd probably mention it to the cashier in the OP situation, but also probably expect a "meh, don't worry about it" in response.

If I did accidentally shoplift something because the cashier forgot to ring it up, I always run back and pay for it as soon as I realize it. I usually get appreciation and thanks for honesty.


This happened to me recently and I went back to pay for it, not only because it was the right thing to do, but because there are cameras and it could be interpreted as me intentionally stealing.
#68 Oct 13 2014 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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And let's not forget the possibility that after accidentally shoplifting a can of tuna you might later get pulled over by a cop and admit to the theft only to then be arrested for admitting to robbing the store and killing the clerk. Then, apparently, hilarity involving Joe Pesci ensues. Lesson: Always return the item immediately!
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#69 Oct 13 2014 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
And let's not forget the possibility that after accidentally shoplifting a can of tuna you might later get pulled over by a cop and admit to the theft only to then be arrested for admitting to robbing the store and killing the clerk. Then, apparently, hilarity involving Joe Pesci ensues. Lesson: Always return the item immediately!


Or at least have a cousin with a wife who knows her cars.
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#71 Oct 25 2014 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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I was honest today.

I bought a new dishwasher and range on Sunday. They didn't have the range in stock so they scheduled it to be delivered today. They did have the dishwasher so I grabbed that and brought it home with me.

When the truck pulled in today to drop off my range the driver said "Ok, I have a dishwasher and range."

I kind of knew it would happen because the salesperson was scheduling the deliver last weekend and said "Oops. I'll have to fix that. I told it to deliver both but you are taking the dishwasher now."

So I told the driver I already had the dishwasher and just took the stove. He thanked me for not taking the dishwasher. The way it sounded was the paperwork would have probably given it to me for free, probably without any trace back to me being the source of an unpaid for dishwasher, since it was all listed as paid.
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#72 Nov 04 2014 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
Haven't been to this place in 6+ months, stopped in the first interesting thread only to find its still a Joph vs. Gbaji war.

I guess one has to at least admire the tenacity...
#73 Feb 08 2015 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
Who has time to be honest when you can just impress?
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