Professor Lemmi wrote:
So basically you're saying it was lazy moderation that led to this, and now the community should be punished?
YES. Plus people's feelings were hurt and we should honor every precious snowflake that floats in our midst.
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#202
May 05 2009 at 8:01 PM
YES. Plus people's feelings were hurt and we should honor every precious snowflake that floats in our midst.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#203
May 05 2009 at 8:02 PM
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
#204
May 05 2009 at 8:03 PM
Professor Lemmi wrote:
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
Yeah, but getting upset about it does nothing and just pisses off the admins. I like Darqflame and she has enough aggravation without worrying about us.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#205
May 05 2009 at 8:04 PM
Professor Lemmi wrote:
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
it actually started out that way. We used to have rules at the top of the forum (no cussing etc etc) but as the forum grew so did our balls. >.>
On one hand I love how lively this has gotten but on the other hand, why are we still ******** our pants over the asylum?
#206
May 05 2009 at 8:05 PM
Because forcing people to move is going to tear the community of regular posters we have here.
#207
May 05 2009 at 8:05 PM
niobia wrote:
Professor Lemmi wrote:
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
it actually started out that way. We used to have rules at the top of the forum (no cussing etc etc) but as the forum grew so did our balls. >.>
On one hand I love how lively this has gotten but on the other hand, why are we still sh*tting our pants over the asylum?
I don't think we are. I just don't think people are all that enthusiastic about posting in that forum.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#208
May 05 2009 at 8:10 PM
Like I said, the clear solution is to just have them both redirect to the same forum, and keep the forum titles the same, giving the OoTers the illusion of still posting in the OoT and the Asylumites the illusion of still posting in the Asylum.
The main issue I see with a merger is that the Asylum is quite a bit slower than the OoT. With all the nonsensical threads in the OoT moving in on the Asylum, many of the threads that would normally stay on the first page of the Asylum would quickly disappear. The Asylum fills a page of threads in maybe a week, the OoT does it in a day. I can see how Asylumites that choose not to frequent the OoT could end up leaving the forum.
The main issue I see with a merger is that the Asylum is quite a bit slower than the OoT. With all the nonsensical threads in the OoT moving in on the Asylum, many of the threads that would normally stay on the first page of the Asylum would quickly disappear. The Asylum fills a page of threads in maybe a week, the OoT does it in a day. I can see how Asylumites that choose not to frequent the OoT could end up leaving the forum.
#209
May 05 2009 at 8:12 PM
Warchief Annabella wrote:
niobia wrote:
Professor Lemmi wrote:
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
it actually started out that way. We used to have rules at the top of the forum (no cussing etc etc) but as the forum grew so did our balls. >.>
On one hand I love how lively this has gotten but on the other hand, why are we still sh*tting our pants over the asylum?
I don't think we are. I just don't think people are all that enthusiastic about posting in that forum.
#210
May 05 2009 at 8:13 PM
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Like I said, the clear solution is to just have them both redirect to the same forum, and keep the forum titles the same, giving the OoTers the illusion of still posting in the OoT and the Asylumites the illusion of still posting in the Asylum.
It was much better when I thought that this was derisive sarcasm and not a serious suggestion :(
#211
May 05 2009 at 8:16 PM
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Warchief Annabella wrote:
niobia wrote:
Professor Lemmi wrote:
If you're going to have a play nice baby forum, may as well do it right from the beginning and keep an eye on it.
it actually started out that way. We used to have rules at the top of the forum (no cussing etc etc) but as the forum grew so did our balls. >.>
On one hand I love how lively this has gotten but on the other hand, why are we still sh*tting our pants over the asylum?
I don't think we are. I just don't think people are all that enthusiastic about posting in that forum.
I don't know if that's true. I think it's just two different groups of people. Realistically, creating a new forum won't solve the problem. Directing provocative threads would. However, to be fair, BT's provocative thread didn't violate the rules of the forum. Neither did Mindel's. So I am not sure why it's become this discussion again.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#212
May 05 2009 at 8:24 PM
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However, to be fair, BT's provocative thread didn't violate the rules of the forum. Neither did Mindel's. So I am not sure why it's become this discussion again.
Because it's something to ***** about. Come on that was easy.
#213
May 05 2009 at 8:27 PM
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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However, to be fair, BT's provocative thread didn't violate the rules of the forum. Neither did Mindel's. So I am not sure why it's become this discussion again.
Because it's something to ***** about. Come on that was easy.
Yeah, it's funny. It's just a repeat of a discussion we've already had. I think that the admins have a point. I just wouldn't have chosen that time to mute him if I wanted to make a larger point about enforcing community rules. I think that was what was weird about it. There was about a million other times to discuss it.
But, hey, what do I know? I just spend much of my career moderating small groups of people.
Edited, May 6th 2009 12:28am by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#214
May 05 2009 at 8:32 PM
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Quote:
Like I said, the clear solution is to just have them both redirect to the same forum, and keep the forum titles the same, giving the OoTers the illusion of still posting in the OoT and the Asylumites the illusion of still posting in the Asylum.
It was much better when I thought that this was derisive sarcasm and not a serious suggestion :(
Like they'd ever do it.
#215
May 05 2009 at 8:32 PM
I really don't think my wit is fast enough, or lack of wit to post in the Asylum.
I feel dumb in there.
I feel dumb in there.
#216
May 05 2009 at 8:37 PM
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But, hey, what do I know? I just spend much of my career moderating small groups of people.
Are you being sarcastic twice, sarcastic once, or sarcastic not at all?
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I think that the admins have a point. I just wouldn't have chosen that time to mute him if I wanted to make a larger point about enforcing community rules. I think that was what was weird about it. There was about a million other times to discuss it.
The rules have never been clear or uniformly enforced. Why start making sense about it now?
Edited, May 6th 2009 12:38am by Pensive
#217
May 05 2009 at 8:37 PM
GrowlingBunny wrote:
I really don't think my wit is fast enough, or lack of wit to post in the Asylum.
I feel dumb in there.
I feel dumb in there.
Think of it this way: you're just as stupid here as you are in there. You don't change, only the forum does. Intelligence is measured realtive to the entirety of humanity, not a small group.
OK, who else needs some therapy?
#218
May 05 2009 at 8:39 PM
Quote:
Are you being sarcastic twice, sarcastic once, or sarcastic not at all?
Probably once.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#219
May 05 2009 at 8:42 PM
I've read both of their posts over a few times, and BT and Mindel really didn't do anything out of line to be muted. What happened in each of their situations was they called out Kao, and instead of replying or trying to reason with them, he got wound up in yet another power trip and muted them as a somewhat pathetic knee-jerk flex of power. At worst, BT said ****, without breaking the filter.
Now all of this forum merging and enforcing nonsense is really not the real issue here. The OOT has operated like it has for a long time now, and admins have come and go, allowing it to remain the way it is. This is more of a punishment for the admins being called out about the Conan contest, and the two posts questioning Kao. Had that Conan contest fiasco never happened, we would not be here at this point in time, I can guarantee that. It's really sad that the entire community of this forum will be punished and separated over something so trivial.
Now all of this forum merging and enforcing nonsense is really not the real issue here. The OOT has operated like it has for a long time now, and admins have come and go, allowing it to remain the way it is. This is more of a punishment for the admins being called out about the Conan contest, and the two posts questioning Kao. Had that Conan contest fiasco never happened, we would not be here at this point in time, I can guarantee that. It's really sad that the entire community of this forum will be punished and separated over something so trivial.
#220
May 05 2009 at 8:42 PM
Okay, then I'll ask as nicely as I can what you could have been meaning by that, seeing as how a forum is an extremely large group of people. Well I guess technically it's a declaration of a question but whatever. I was really not sure if you were trying to poke fun at yourself or at the administration 
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Edited, May 6th 2009 12:44am by Pensive
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This is more of a punishment for the admins being called out about the Conan contest, and the two posts questioning Kao. Had that Conan contest fiasco never happened, we would not be here at this point in time, I can guarantee that.
Edited, May 6th 2009 12:44am by Pensive
#221
May 05 2009 at 8:50 PM
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Okay, then I'll ask as nicely as I can what you could have been meaning by that, seeing as how a forum is an extremely large group of people. Well I guess technically it's a declaration of a question but whatever. I was really not sure if you were trying to poke fun at yourself or at the administration
The OOT regulars aren't a very big group of people and I think all the time about managing groups and dynamics between members. It applies here. That's all I was saying.
I work with alot of adolescents but these rules apply for adults. All these powerful feelings and dynamics occur among any groups of adults. It's human nature. I choose my battles with them. It makes my job easier and makes the enforcement of the rules more comprehensible for both parties. I think, as a piece of advice, that they might consider thinking structurally going forward and doing less disciplining of past transgressions. Like the admins don't weaken their position by admitting they might have erred. They are just honest to us and themselves.
In the end, it's not a big deal. Sure. I can understand their frustration. I'm just saying, based on my experience and training on group work, that's my advice. And I think it's clear. When it becomes this issue of us being bad kids, I think it just creates alot of easily avoidable tension and ill will.
I figure they won't listen to me, that's why I said what I said. People don't like hearing that if something is unmanageable, usually that's a problem of management who are more culpable than the people they are managing. If the kids in my groups act out or violate rules, that's my responsibility. It's not meant to blame, but more like I hope people will think about their roles and what will be helpful in improving the situation.
Edited, May 6th 2009 12:56am by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#222
May 05 2009 at 8:56 PM
gbaji wrote:
A wall of text that stayed on topic, made sense and that I agree with.
I also rated him up.
I feel dirty.
Leave the forums as they are.
If someone is way beyond the PG-13 envelope, karma bomb them and mute them for a while. Don't punish the community, punish the asshats causing the problem.
And quit getting annoyed (Admins) if we use them thar arrows. I rate up and down pretty much equally, but if I am nailing a particular poster DOWN it's because I think thay deserve it. Isn't that how them arrows are supposed to work?
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remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
#223
May 05 2009 at 9:00 PM
Kavekk wrote:
GrowlingBunny wrote:
I really don't think my wit is fast enough, or lack of wit to post in the Asylum.
I feel dumb in there.
I feel dumb in there.
Think of it this way: you're just as stupid here as you are in there. You don't change, only the forum does. Intelligence is measured realtive to the entirety of humanity, not a small group.
OK, who else needs some therapy?
WOW! Sweetie, you HAVE to take that on the road. Really. Good Motivational Speakers are hard to find.
You have a gift!
#224
May 05 2009 at 9:03 PM
Sorry, Bijou, you're not allowed to /thread yourself. If we let people do that, we'd have anarchy. Anarchy and lolcats.
#225
May 05 2009 at 9:07 PM
Kavekk wrote:
Sorry, Bijou, you're not allowed to /thread yourself. If we let people do that, we'd have anarchy. Anarchy and lolcats.
Oops. sorry.
[:bitteraracnosocialistcommuneface:]
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
#226
May 05 2009 at 9:09 PM
MERGING DOES *** ALL TO CHANGE THE SITUATION!
Explain how merging is any different then it would be now of telling posters to post in the proper forum and moving and/or locking their threads. Please explain this to me because I don't see how it's any different.
ADD ANOTHER FORUM? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
There's a WoW General Forum for WoW stuff. Should we separate it into two different forums, one for the newbs and one for the elitist bastards? What's the point? FFXI General and FFXI Sergeant, one is more hardcore than the other. To hell with moderation let's bring back the days of forum=lawlforumcreationexploit and let everyone do whatever they want wherever they want.
It's simple, moderators need to moderate according to each forums rules. Posters have been warned multiple times and without hardly any follow through. You ask if the community should be punished for a lack of proper moderation. I ask you 'has the community broken the rules?' The answer is yes.
If rules don't have consequences they aren't really rules. Alla needs to grow some balls and start taking proper action. People will whine and cry and throw a fit. Boohoo. All children do, they're testing and learning your limits. These forums aren't any different. Eventually they'll learn and live with it or move onto somewhere else. Either way it doesn't matter. But there's no reason to create another forum because it's like throwing more kindle to the fire. If you can't even moderate one forum what makes you think adding another is somehow going to magically fix the problems?
Explain how merging is any different then it would be now of telling posters to post in the proper forum and moving and/or locking their threads. Please explain this to me because I don't see how it's any different.
ADD ANOTHER FORUM? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
There's a WoW General Forum for WoW stuff. Should we separate it into two different forums, one for the newbs and one for the elitist bastards? What's the point? FFXI General and FFXI Sergeant, one is more hardcore than the other. To hell with moderation let's bring back the days of forum=lawlforumcreationexploit and let everyone do whatever they want wherever they want.
It's simple, moderators need to moderate according to each forums rules. Posters have been warned multiple times and without hardly any follow through. You ask if the community should be punished for a lack of proper moderation. I ask you 'has the community broken the rules?' The answer is yes.
If rules don't have consequences they aren't really rules. Alla needs to grow some balls and start taking proper action. People will whine and cry and throw a fit. Boohoo. All children do, they're testing and learning your limits. These forums aren't any different. Eventually they'll learn and live with it or move onto somewhere else. Either way it doesn't matter. But there's no reason to create another forum because it's like throwing more kindle to the fire. If you can't even moderate one forum what makes you think adding another is somehow going to magically fix the problems?
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