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#2777 Jul 28 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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So dance puppet, dance! Entertain your lords and masters.

Sounds exactly like my last date.....

Question: Preferred beverage for raiding?

I'm in a "rum phase."
#2778 Jul 28 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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That reminds me the other night I was down at the park with our toddler. While I was gone the wife decided she didn't want to cook, so she went out to pick something up, while I gave the little one a bath and got her into bed. When I got done with all that the Mrs. was standing in the doorway with 2 XL pizzas, 2L of coke and a bottle of rum. Smiley: inlove I think I fail-healed some heriocs that night, before everything became a blur. I don't really remember.

Anyway, WoW stuff. For some reason Sindy wasn't pulling everyone in last night, only a few people. Did they nerf her or something? Or were we just glitching? At one point she ported a bunch of us to her room while we were running back in and proceeded to kill us all. That was odd.

We're getting to p3 now, so yay for that. Also having lotsa people with bleeds and DoTs sucks on the frost tombs. Those things don't last long with the 30% buff... Smiley: frown

I need to eat more salad.

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Question: Preferred beverage for raiding?


A little whiskey with Sprite or something. Straight or on the rocks if it's a heavy PuG night.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 9:13am by someproteinguy
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#2779 Jul 28 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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And a special bonus: Sick drum skills


Sick drum skills.

Not because he hits a lot of stuff very fast, but because he makes the song sound more epic with each strike. That's talent.

Edit: Speaking of drummers, I got to see Them Crooked Vultures at the Roskilde Festival and the drummer there (don't remember his name Dave Grohl) was going all-out assault on the drums. It was awesome.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 6:23pm by Mazra
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#2780 Jul 28 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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TherionSaysWhat wrote:
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So dance puppet, dance! Entertain your lords and masters.

Sounds exactly like my last date.....
Details please.



And preferred beverage for raiding is nothing alcoholic. Makes focusing and top performance harder.

Preferred beverage right now is Leffe double


Edit: While Travis Barker is a good drummer, I can't say I've found any of his songs to be epic.
And more epic drumming

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 6:27pm by Aethien
#2781 Jul 28 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Edit: While Travis Barker is a good drummer, I can't say I've found any of his songs to be epic.
And more epic drumming


I was actually going to add that one, but I figured we weren't doing dead drummers.

Anyway, Dave Grohl knows his stuff as well.
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#2782 Jul 28 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Dave Grohl is a good musician. If you can make it as a drummer as well as a frontman/guitarist you know your way around music.
#2783 Jul 28 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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While I'll admit that Travis Barker is a decent drummer, I still hate most of his work, aside from the Transplants

But good drummers are people like Dave Lombardo, Mike Smith, and any drummer for The Berzerker, but mostly because that's some unbelievable speed right there.

Also, the contest thread is now bigger than this one, this will not do!

Edited 'cause I couldn't spell Berzerker.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 2:48pm by Sgriob
#2784 Jul 28 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Guys, how important is the T10 4-piece bonus for Druid tanks? Because I just got two upgrades in ICC25 (shoulders and legs), but if I replace either slot, I'll lose the bonus (due to HC Sack on chest). It'll also cost me some expertise, but will give me some decent health instead.
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#2785 Jul 28 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Guys, how important is the T10 4-piece bonus for Druid tanks? Because I just got two upgrades in ICC25 (shoulders and legs), but if I replace either slot, I'll lose the bonus (due to HC Sack on chest). It'll also cost me some expertise, but will give me some decent health instead.


A 1 minute CD 12% DR clicky is pretty sweet.

The feral t10 is extremely strong for both tanks and dps. Probably better off keeping t10.
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#2786 Jul 28 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Aren't you so unbelievably far over the expertise (soft?)cap? 'Cause 42 does seem like a bit much, but I could be wrong. Either way, I don't think you should worry about losing expertise, 'cause I tanked the majority of ICC with Aeth having absolutely stupidly low levels of expertise, and hit.
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Expertise cap for Druids is 46 or something like that. I switched out my legs and I'm now at 33 expertise, so it's not that bad, especially since EJ says not to sacrifice health over expertise, given that very few bosses use parry haste in ICC.

Almost 50k health unbuffed and I got three new items from ICC25 (which I tanked for the first time ever up to Putri, lol):

Corpse Tongue Coin
Gangrenous Leggings
Cultist's Bloodsoaked Spaulders

The trinket was apparently better than the Glyph, and the Warrior who originally won it was nice enough to give it to me (without me asking) because he had +stam trinkets. The leggings had one gem slot more than my T10 (264), plus the hit rating finally capped me. The spaulders also had one gem slot more than my T10 (251), plus it had more haste, which is always good.

I'm still down one stamina trinket, but until the Organ drops and I manage to get my hands on it, I've got what I need. Now I just need a new weapon (preferably one with expertise and above level 245 - which could mean rolling against every other 2h DPS out there for the heroic Oxheart) and two marks for my gloves and helmet.

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#2788 Jul 28 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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I'd use Glyph or Corpse any day of the week. Dodge is so devalued and the way healers heal the 35% proc is not worth losing a static 1700 armor. I'd use Gossamer over Corpse to be honest.

I also hope your not dropping 4t10 for higher ilvl gear. Small gains in other stats, even stam, are not enough, in my opinion, to give up a strong cool down on a short CD.
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#2789 Jul 28 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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It's all about GearScore, baby. Well, that and health. At least until I can get my hands on some Marks.

Rawr still puts these items higher than 4pT10, including the trinket and especially with the ICC debuff. And didn't someone here scold me a couple of days ago for saying dodge sucks in ICC?

Edit: Exactly due to the way healers are healing nowadays, I'm going to stick to the Coin. At least it increases my avoidance whereas the Glyph only increases my mitigation. Mitigation is fine and all, but with the 30% buff and healers not running out of mana during a fight, it's more a matter of throughput and avoidance, really. Avoidance means I don't take any damage, meaning the healers get to slack a bit. Even if the Glyph mitigates, say, 10% of a hit, the healers are still going to have to heal the remaining 90% of the damage and the 10% saved will most likely just be overhealing, because people don't downrank spells anymore. Of course, if incoming DPS is higher than the HPS, we've got a problem. But then that doesn't really happen with 30% extra healing.

Ps. I'm almost at 6k GearScore with just two PvP items (neck and bracers), which isn't bad considering I only raid with PUGs these days. It's considerably easier getting gear as a tank, despite having to fight Rogues for it.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 4:08am by Mazra
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#2790 Jul 28 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
This is the worst time for the WoW forum boards to be without a designated administrator. >.<

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#2791 Jul 28 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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All I'm saying Maz is that it more likely an extra CD will save your life than ~400 HP. Also the Glyph has a on use clicky as well to use when things get hectic.
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#2792 Jul 28 2010 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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Been playing around with RAWR and Maz the Druid.

Have yet to get it to ever recommend dropping 4t10, and it even tells me to down grade the new stuff you got to the 251 tier versions.

Are you setting up buffs and other various settings properly?
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#2793 Jul 29 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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Been playing around with RAWR and Maz the Druid.

Have yet to get it to ever recommend dropping 4t10, and it even tells me to down grade the new stuff you got to the 251 tier versions.

Are you setting up buffs and other various settings properly?


25-man buffs with Chill and Warsong.

It wants me to gem agility, but I prefer health (as do everyone else). Only T10 it recommends is Lasherweave 264 or 277.

Shoulders (Overall):

1. Bloodsoaked 277
2. Lasherweave 277
3. Bloodsoaked 264 (got it)

I chose stamina because health pools is all that matters when pugging (and GearScore, of course).

As for leggings, if sorted by Overall, Gangrenous are pretty far down, yes, presumably because of the massive expertise amount on the 264 Lasherweave leggings. I might have to switch around again. If sorted by Survival, Gangrenous 264 comes way above Lasherweave 264 (even 277), presumably due to the stamina.

Right now I prefer to sort for survival over mitigation, for the reasons mentions above. Healers in PUGs overheal like crazy, so I'd rather increase my avoidance and health pool than mitigation. Savage Defense takes care of the physical damage anyway and neither armor nor SD does anything against magical attacks.

Also, the leggings, while lacking sexy expertise, have hit on them, and I need hit rating right now (Growl missed twice on Malygos today, the DPS didn't like it).

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#2794 Jul 29 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our guild has picked up a drama llama, yay. Smiley: rolleyes

Not that he doesn't have a point, I see the same thing he sees. Clicky. Priest and pally went in and I stayed out. Pally was getting 20-25 stacks of the buff, priest would get up to about 6. Priest went in because she had a lot of problems healing when she stayed out. Really when it was me and the pally going in, we'd consistently come out after the first set of portals to find a wipe well in progress.

I dunno, at this point the priest has never been good at the fight for whatever reason. She's done fine and even quite well in most other circumstances, just this one gives her problems for whatever reason. Honestly, I reach a point where I stop trying to figure out why that is and just compensate on that fight (see attempt 3, for example, where I did 10% of the healing on the drake...).

I'm all for calling people out when they have problems and what not, but once you've identified the problem there's a point where hammering the person over and over is kind of pointless. I mean a bit of stress can help, but too much and people get all grumpy and I have to deal with it. Funny, one of those weird unmentioned skills a guild leader seems to need to have is how to talk to everyone about their shortcomings. Meaning I may need to have another conversation with the priest it seems, though I really doubt there's much more I can say at this point. Smiley: frown

New guy wants to take a week off from raiding though, which I'm all for honestly. The more serious raiders that come with us on their alts are a bit tired of him, and I don't want to lose them.

Anyway, enough of that drama. Back to work... Smiley: tongue
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#2795 Jul 29 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
I'm confounded as to why she isn't managing more than 6 stacks of the buff, she picked up about as many 'casts' as the pally did. Is she just slow on her feet to get moving to the next cloud when she goes in? Missing clouds maybe, like grazing them instead of flying *through*? Is she moving out to the middle of the room or something between casts? Should be standing right next to one of the portal dots as soon as they first appear so she's ready to enter the portal asap.

Is she keeping Guardian Spirit up on dragon? Helps quite a bit since it's multiplicative with the vigor buff, pretty sure. And in that vein it's a good idea to glyph it for that purpose for better uptime. Don't really have to worry about mana regen anyway once you get the stacks rolling.

And I'm not real clear on priestly efficiency with different spells, but it looks like she spent a lot of time on flash heals; isn't gheal the better HPS device, just isn't normally used in favor of the almost-as-good-but-way-faster-for-dying-people flash heal? If so, that may be worth trying to switch habits. Priest forums could answer that one better than I though.
#2796 Jul 29 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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We got her to stand right near the portals, and she's actually getting in okay. The first time we cleared Val she couldn't even find the portals, and just stayed out and healed the dragon.

From what I've gathered there were 2 different problems, one came from not being close enough to the other healer to both get the same bursts. The other seems to be just movement related. She's having issues adjusting to the 3D space she has to move through (she had issues on Maly as well for reference). She's been slow to get up and get to the clouds initially.

I don't know about guardian spirit, does that should but on the buffs in a log file? If not I'll have to double-check on it. Maybe it's time to visit our priestly friends...

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#2797 Jul 29 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Funny, one of those weird unmentioned skills a guild leader seems to need to have is how to talk to everyone about their shortcomings. Meaning I may need to have another conversation with the priest it seems, though I really doubt there's much more I can say at this point. Smiley: frown
You, or a mean officer.
And the first one to talk to is the drama lama. Tell him that you don't allow for drama **** and that he's not an officer nor in a position of any sort to say stuff like that in the raid. If he sees them he should tell you or an other officer and you will deal with it.

Also, the priest needs to stay out and learn how to do that **** because priests are pretty damn bad on the dragon healing.
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The really cruddy thing is that I don't think the priest is going to ever get the raid healing part. Basically she just gets that 'deer-in-the-headlights" look when she is faced with it. Mostly, I think she gets glued to the multiple health bars and stands in stuff. I'm hoping drama llama helped make the point that she needs to step it up.

If it was progression we'd be more along the lines of replacement at this point, since it seems she really can't handle it. But I'm not going to replace someone over a fight that we're past really. No-one likes wiping 2x on farm stuff though, hence the drama.

The mean officer's feeling is along the lines of what I wrote above. Yes, she's sucking it up, but he's picking his battles apparently, since Sindy is our main focus now. It's certainly not helping the situation any. She probably needs to practice it more, but I'm not sure I can justify wiping the raid multiple times just to make a farm fight easier.
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#2799 Jul 29 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty confident in saying that as long as she has one target to heal or a predictable fight she's an ok healer but if she needs to react to situations and anticipate she breaks down.
Have you asked her why she thinks she can't do it?

















On a side note, I think she'll be a much better dps than a healer.
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Have you asked her why she thinks she can't do it?


Not that directly, but I should.

I've asked her what her problem was outside, and how the healing felt. She said too many people were taking damage and she couldn't keep up. Since I'm normally on raid heals, and am fairly used to healing multiple targets (plus the druid mobility thing) I elected to stay out once it was apparent she wasn't going to be able to do it.
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#2801 Jul 29 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
Exactly two people should take damage outside: the tanks. If anyone else is taking damage, they're doinitwrong. Zombies should be kited and killed at range, blazing skeletons shouldn't get more than a single tick off (which is trivial to heal), and archmages should be hounded by someone with an interrupt to avoid mass frostbolts. All other damage is avoidable or tank damage.
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