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I applaud you for posting what I've been thinking for so long. On both the points of the whining and flaming on the message boards, as well as on using online abbreviations at all times.

I'm under the opinion that most people really have no right to criticise the way warriors play their class. Frankly, most people have never even played a warrior to upper levels, and thus have no valid opinion on the topic. I don't flame mages who can't "l2p", in part because I haven't played a mage to level 70. Warriors are not a simple class, contraty to popular belief, and require a lot of concentration to play properly.

Anyway, that's just my two cents.

You'd be amazed what you find on forums. A whole lot of "ZOMG, tnakin' iz SpAm Sunder! l2P n00b!!"

im not entirely certain what the point of this post is.

this isnt the oboards. those are here.

youll notice the FAQ up on top of all this. its a work in progress. i have taken it upon myself to write the pvp part, and the esteemed RPZip is doing what he can in his free time to fill out the rest. but theres a LOT to do, and the key term here is "free time". something neither of us have much of, between college, life, work, and various other non-forum related things.

but im nothing else if not a storyteller. you want a story? heres a good one for ya:

AB weekend ended yesterday (monday) so my guild and i got together, 10 of us or so, and Qed up. we had a very unbalanced group. 4 wars, a rogue, a lock, 2 mages, a hunter, and one priest. the five pgus we ended up getting were 2 wars, 2 mages, and another rogue. thats right; 15 people, 1 healer.

we've done this AB thing before. so i tell our rogue and one of my war guildies that we're gonna charge the farm. we get there to find three horde defending it, a hunter, a mage, and a paladin. the hunter marks the rogue, and i know this will make doing stuff a lot harder for my rogue buddy, so i decide to take it upon myself to "distract" the hunter. and when i say distract, i mean smash him in the face with a large blunt object. so i dismount and start running towards him, and the hunter notices me and starts running towards me.

hunters gonna shoot me and stop the charge right? nuh uh. im a nelf. shadowmeld is all about the mind f*ck man. so as soon as the hunter targets me, i shadowmeld. the hunter runs forward, de-targets me, stands there for a second, befuddled, and then gets charged in the face by a very angry night elf. a quick hamstring and a switch into zerker stance and i tab target the mage standing about a dozen yards behind the hunter. the hunter has by now completely forgot about my rogue buddy, thanks to the tiny bundle of rage that is my gnome war buddy who came to farm with us. the mage begins winding up a polymorph, so i intercept.

"gg" the mage thingk. a war who intercepts before the mage blinks = dead, right? thats what the mage thought....so he blinked....right into the loving arms of my rogue friend who was positioned just perfectly for a cheap shot -> cold blood mutilate. the mage responds by dropping his internal organs all over the now well-fertilized fields of the farm, taking two steps, and gasping the last few breaths life before the darkness sets in.

while this is happening, im hobbling my wing-clipped self (stupid trinket nerf) back to the hunter to aid my midget friend in the face-smashing. with the mage down, our rogue restealths and begins making his way to the paladin. much to our surprise, the paladin was long gone, as she had run from the farm house all the way to the gate at the defilers den.

and ultimately thats what i like about group pvp. a hunter, paladin, and mage vs three very kiteable classes should have won easily. but a little planning and some keen maneuvering brought us the win. we 5-capped that game, and much to our surprise we found out we won vs another partial premade of nine horde from another server in our battle group. they brought six healers with them; three paladins, two priests, and a shaman. this wasnt enough to overcome our leet one healer setup, despite the fact that almost 1/2 of our total BG members were warriors, while they had at least two hunters (both noobmastery spececd!) as well as a trio of mages, two of them frost. lots of kiting and healing vs lots of kite-susceptible classes, both sides "pre-made" and we pulled it off.

Edited, May 29th 2007 5:38am by Quor

Damn, that was a good read. I feel more inspired to do PvP now because of this, but I wish the BG teams I was with ever decided to cooperate for a win once in awhile. Still, good story. :D

hah. i play a tauren druid too. hes not 70 yet, but hes getting there. the first thing ill say about having played both sides is that yes, both sides say the same crap about each other, and yes, both sides do the same crap in pvp to each other.

ive actually compiled a little satirical list of the "truths" about the horde and the alliance.:

yes, every other horde is actually undead.

yes, most night elves are female, and yes, most of these night elves are NOT really women. however, women have a high chance to play female night elves, as well as female gnomes, so keep asking for a/s/l, cause you never know when you might get lucky! the real women will respect you for your dedication and have a greater chance of not reporting you to a GM!

female dwarves of any kind are as rare as female tauren/orcs/trolls of any kind, and just as feared.

belfs are EVERYWHERE. theyre almost as bad as undead.

likewise, nelfs are everywhere. at least belfs and nelfs are easy on the eyes (unlike mr. "i have no lower jaw").

the horde, like the alliance, consists of five races, but the breakdown is subtley different. alliance have the races of draenei, human, gnome, dwarf, and night elf, and each of these races can be a number of different sub-races, called "classes". the horde have five races too; they are known as shaman, paladin, hunter, druid, and undead. each of these five races is also broken down into various sub-races. shaman can be the orc sub-race, the tauren sub-race, or the troll sub-race. paladins and druids can only be belfs and tauren respectively, while hunters have the most variety, with tauren, orc, troll AND blood elf all being capable of following the path of the hunter.

the undead also have class choices, but unlike the rest of the horde, these choices arent choices so much as they are mandates. rogue, warrior, warlock, priest, mage....if youre one of these, you default to undead. failure to do so results in death by gnomish dismemberment.

its a requirement that if youre a night elf female you must dance naked in some public area, preferably on a mailbox, at least once per week. failure to do so will result in an unblocking of all the creepy guys who have /w'ed you asking you about your name and where you live and stuff, until such time that naked public dancing is resumed.

gnomes have inferiority complexes, and as such typically are named to compensate for this, i.e. "killer", "hacker", "kneecapper", "anklebiter" etc.

likewise, tauren have great sensitivity for their size, and attempt to hide it with names such as "tiny", "tinky", "sweetpea", or derivations of "-abull" names (e.g. hugabull, luvabull, sqeezabull).

horde always zergs. theyre too skill-less to do anything else, and suck unless backed up by 13890213829013190 of their friends.

horde is also the most skilled, with a coordinated group of any given class combination easily outplaying any other class combination and number of alliance.

alliance always zergs. theyre too skill-less to do anything else, and suck unless backed up by 10328193821901 of their friends.

alliance, is also the most skilled, with a coordinated group of any given class combination easily outplaying any other class combination and number of horde.

AV isnt balanced for horde or alliace; its balanced for the harpies and the yetis!

neither the horde NOR the alliance "started" it. *I* started it, years ago, when i set into motion the sequence of events that would ultimately result in you being camped for hours on end while leveling in <contested territory>.

Edited, May 29th 2007 6:18am by Quor

To the Original Poster:
Don't be surprised when your name turns blue. Take out the classname and specific speccname, and you can pretty much post that in every single Class Forum on Alla. And I wholeheartedly agree with you. I tip my [Crown of Destruction].

However, I doubt the situation will improve much. No matter how many of us actually use our Rating capabilities, the morons will always be present. So, once you have spent enough time here, you will barely be able to express any displeasure about the morons in question. Just look at our 5K+ posters.

Welcome to the Land of Apathy.
Feel indifferent about your stay.

( i cant spell worth crap.....)
ok i have complained, i have pissed and moaned about warriors, but the reality is that we are great dps if we need to be and the BEST tanks in the game. (if not best tanks second only to druids)and i also agree with the guy a few posts up who said that warriors arnt the most simple class. we need to manage rage, control the mobs for you clothies, and lastly in pvp its dang flanking hard i get 1st A LOT because i can play a warrior (never been a twink) switching stances get out of traps stunning kiting and managing flipping rage and lastly taking on things that can bubble and heal like little pussys ( i also hate locks for all they do is fear) (sorry if i made any one mad)

nice catch! ooops, through your hands and over your head :(

Edited, May 30th 2007 4:30pm by axhed

oooh....swing and a miss.

ill give you some hints pigeon:

what im saying is satire.
all the horde "races" i listed have something in common....theyre all mutually exclusive. think about it.

Edited, May 30th 2007 4:15pm by Quor

I'll be the first to break that sterotype. BE lock ftw! And for your gnomish dismemberment, I'm a nice guy, so I just /fear and kill the human priest next to it :)

Anyway, lorimath and pidgeonman - I think quor is pointing out a sterotype or making a joke. Yes, 95% of rogues, warlocks, priests, and mages are undead (warriors is a stretch). And yes, 75% of BEs are paladins. Doesn't mean it's limited to, but it's the truth. Just do a /who bloodelf and look at your results, or do /who rogue. (you know, I'm gonna try that when I log back on).

Ok, back to the OP. Yes, morons flood EVERY forum site, no matter where you go. They're like mosquitoes: it's impossible to get away from them until you get a mosquito-killing thing (learn to ignore them), and even then a few still slip by. What I wouldn't give for allakhazam to have a filter... just something so that ifthey'realltalkinglikethis an spekin in intrnet lnguage w/ bad splling their post gets blocked until it gets fixed.

Thundercleeze,

While agree that I have come across plenty of whiners and flamers in these forums (no different from any other forums), I have to say that there is a lot of good information here.

Quor and RPZip have done a great job, Axhed has a great leveling guide, and I have learned more about the warrior class here than anywhere else I have looked. I have received many insightful responses to questions that I have posted, and I have tried to give back to the community when I can. There are a lot of people here that make this a great forum/commuity.

I just wanted to say thanks to all the frequent posters who do put a lot of time, thought, and effort into helping the rest of us with our questions about the class.

-Camel