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#1 May 25 2007 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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So I hate arguing about who's character on a different server would beat who's about as much as I enjoy idiots commenting on my car (just a mostly stock Z28) and how if their 84 Integra had these mods, it'd beat it.... which is to say, not a lot. In fact, I get really annoyed by it.

Regardless, my roomie seems obsessed with talking about how his 64 warlock is the end-all be-all... and he has to counter every statement I make with "My warlock could do it better and here's why." I finally gave up and decided to argue with him, which I guess brings me to an impasse because i've never really played the class.

He seems to think that with his succubus out he's unstoppable and that I couldn't kite him or keep him at range because his pet can stealth... and also seems confident I couldn't get a shot off.

So in generalities, what strategies work best hunter VS lock, and vice versa? What avenues do I have? I am MM spec btw... link to the build here

By the way, sig is wrong. I am *almost* 63... lol. After tonight it should be correct, but right now 62. :-p

Edited, May 25th 2007 9:24pm by ZulFrieze
#2 May 25 2007 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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use the beast withing, point and laugh


or silencing shot if you are MM.


and just 1/2 shot his succy.... it has virtually no hp.
multishot+arcane and its gone, and it cost you ~2.5 seconds.
send in pet and use either tBW or silencing shot.
use trinket to break fear if you dont have tBW.
eat when he dies to make sure you dont die from his dots afterwards.

Edited, May 26th 2007 3:34am by Aethien
#3 May 25 2007 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
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That actually helps quite a bit... thanks! I didn't realize the succy had that little HP.

The only problem is figuring out how to get it when it's stealthing up to me and seducing me. :-/ but I guess I can figure that one out... lol

tBW would be useful, for sure.
#4 May 25 2007 at 6:46 PM Rating: Default
how I duel locks ( not using the I win button.)

duel/fight starts, lay a freeze trap, succy, or the lock will trap themselves.

if succy gets trapped,ranged dps lock until they run at you, then FD and melee his *** while he tries to dps you, you HAVE to move around and stay behind his back for this to work, but it works well, until you can get more range, when you get back in range, they generally have low hp, some shots can deal with that.

If the lock gets trapped, kill their pet, then back up,and send pet in on the war lock, range SOME, arcane shot,multi shot,serpent sting(or viper if the lock is near oom,) then FD to have them untarget, run in and keep to their back all the while using raptor swing with a good 2H.

You can really ***** warlocks up by charging them,as they have no instant AOE's, its also safe.

shots to deal damage, FD to detarget yourself, charge in and raptor for DPS, freeze trap when needed.

this generally works all the time, especially if you are BM,and have intimidation, that can extend your ranged dps time.

and of course as BM there's always the I win button.


with silencing shot, just start fight off with freeze trap at feet, silencing shot, multi,arcane, run in and scatter shot, get behind their back and dps them melee, raptor strike works well.



Locks aren't the strongest thing, a freeze trap on their pet,or the warlock, can seriously ***** up a lock, along with using FD on them,and most their time is spent recovering from the beginning of the fight.

Edited, May 25th 2007 10:49pm by FFGamer
#5 May 25 2007 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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ZulFrieze wrote:
That actually helps quite a bit... thanks! I didn't realize the succy had that little HP.

The only problem is figuring out how to get it when it's stealthing up to me and seducing me. :-/ but I guess I can figure that one out... lol

tBW would be useful, for sure.

it cant stealth.
it just fades ot wich makes it slightly harder to see.... thats all
#6 May 25 2007 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
even if it did stelth wouldn't flare shot work on it??
#7 May 26 2007 at 4:10 AM Rating: Decent
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ZulFrieze wrote:
That actually helps quite a bit... thanks! I didn't realize the succy had that little HP.

The only problem is figuring out how to get it when it's stealthing up to me and seducing me. :-/ but I guess I can figure that one out... lol

tBW would be useful, for sure.


You can attempt a multishot as part of your opener, before his succubus gets too far away from him.
#8 May 26 2007 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Muahahhaa.... I don't think he knows the succy isn't full stealth. THe multi shot would also work well. Thanks for the tips, guys!

Anyone know what the range on fear is?
#9 May 26 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
It isn't stealth, but it is the next best thing. It is Lesser Invisibility. You detect them just like you do stealthed characters - only when they get too close.
#10 May 26 2007 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, that is good to know.

I hope my questions don't seem n00bish... this is my first toon and I've never rolled anything else, so I'm not 100% on some of the skills other classes have. Don't get me wrong, I've studied a bit and know the basics of most classes, but some of the smaller particulars escape me... you know?

Well, AI... since you roll both, what is your reccomendation for overcoming the succy?
#11 May 26 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
Overcoming the Succy? Well, trap her or kill her. Or better yet, specc BM and ignore her. If you are aware of the Warlock soon enough, open with a Multishot, as that might damage the Succy and thus break her out of Invis. Allowing you to quickly DPS her down. Personally, I have never really had that problem, since Warlocks have usually been downed by my pet alone when he is in Bestial Wrath. I can just stand there making kissy faces at the Succy until the Warlock is dead.
#12 May 26 2007 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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NorthAI the Hand wrote:
Overcoming the Succy? Well, trap her or kill her. Or better yet, specc BM and ignore her. If you are aware of the Warlock soon enough, open with a Multishot, as that might damage the Succy and thus break her out of Invis. Allowing you to quickly DPS her down. Personally, I have never really had that problem, since Warlocks have usually been downed by my pet alone when he is in Bestial Wrath. I can just stand there making kissy faces at the Succy until the Warlock is dead.

pet set to aggressive or even defensive so it will attack succy (and chew her out) when she tries to charm you will probably work too.
#13 May 26 2007 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
True, could help. But by that time, I usually have my Pet tearing the Warlock a new one. Personally, I fight Warlocks as I would fight a Hunter. Ignoring the pet unless the opportunity arises where I can trap the pet. Killing it is far down on my priority list, but it has happened when the circumstances allow for it.
#14 May 26 2007 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I do think BM would be better for casters, but I find there are certain things in MM I just don't want to give up... I LOVE scatter shot and silencing shot.

I think maybe I just need to re-think my playing style. I do well against most classes but have a hard time against locks. Maybe that's indicative of me just not knowing what to do.

It doesn't seem like it'd be that hard--send pet, wail on him/her from a distance. Meh, I guess I just need more practice.
#15 May 30 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
I would start at a distance. Target and burn the succy down as fast as I could and put the pet on it to for cast interrupt. Odds are the lock will do 1 of 2 things.
1- get in range and use his long casts first
2- get in range and dot fear

either way dps down the succy and put the cat on the lock before he can fear you. cat wont slow insta-casts but will slow is AOE fear. He cant fear to mobs so make sure you have your dps pet out and once your fear is off, burn him down fast... maybe drop a frost trap and get some distance, bandage and pot to keep the dots from killing you. they are cloth wearers so, with some nice crit gear and high agility, you should be able to bring him down with his succy quickly. over 30 seconds the hunter and pet will out dps the lock and his pet hands down. If u cant kill him in 30 seconds, your not gonna make it unless you kite and stay out of range.
#16 May 30 2007 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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When I fight a lock I send my pet in. shoot a conc shot. then as I see the lock about to cast i cast Beastial Wraith drop ice trap and cast intimidate. By the time intimidate has worn off lock is laying on the ground twitching. Works like a charm!
#17 May 30 2007 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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As stated, I think my difficulty comes from the fact that I don't want to spec BM... but the points about sending in the pet and DPSing the succy to take it down quickly are well taken. What I need to do is just play it smart, I guesss.

They're a tough class, so there's no complete fool-proof way for a non BM hunter to just take 'em out easily, but I think I've got it now :) I'll let you know the results after some PVP this weekend. lol
#18 May 30 2007 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
i am curently lvl 22 hunter when i was lvl 19 a lvl 20lock waved to me in barrens when i already thought he looked funny so i move in closer then relize hmm aliance (i'm troll) so i send pet in i didnt bother with his VW he had out at the time cause i know no t much damage. he kept trying to fear me but would only last like 2 sec if that but he ended up dieing i thought about camping his body for kicks but desided better when i tryed sending him a tell and it told me he wasnt on i figured he loged main so i got out of there little didi know it was just cause he was aliance. well that's my hunter vs lock story. dont help you none but oh well ijust hate rouges pain in the **** toons
#19 May 31 2007 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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Why kill him if he's waving?

Not to start a gigantic war, but I play on a PVP server... and while I enjoy the rush when you see an alliance player and you know they're going to come after you, why kill someone who is obviously being kind and isn't looking for a fight?

Usually, my interaction goes like this:
-/hello
-/silly
... pause
-/ponder

If they don't respond or try to attack, I waste them. Maybe that's just me? I'm all about the kinder, gentler WoW... lol.
#20 May 31 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If the opposite faction leaves me alone, I leave them alone. I'm not one of these folks that has to make a pain of myself when we're all clearly out there adventuring.

I don't mind a roughly 'equal' fight, and my stance usually lets the opposition get in the first shot, but what I dislike is unfair fights from the get-go. These twits that see someone significantly lower level, in the middle of a fight with something else and have to 'prove' their toonliness, well, that torques me off. It was never equal footing to start and all it proves is that that kind of enemy has the maturity of a 12 year old.

If you want a rush, pick on someone your own size. If you pick on an easy kill, it's just a waste of everyone's time.
#21 May 31 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
Punkspider.

Thank you for making our entire class look like ****** An Alliance toon in Barrens is pretty much the most harmless creature you can find. Especially a waving one. Good job breeding even more hate between the factions.
#22 Jun 01 2007 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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If the opposite faction leaves me alone, I leave them alone. I'm not one of these folks that has to make a pain of myself when we're all clearly out there adventuring.


Me too. Normally if I see a player of the opposite faction coming towards me, I sit down and put my pet (if on a toon with one) on passive. (Long as I'm in a place where this is a safe option!). If the stop beside me I will wave, or greet or something.

If it's a high level that decides to gank me I don't put up a fight. If the corpse camp me I make a point of ressing on top of them and do /pat. Usually only takes 2 or 3 times of me ressing on them making no resistance and a few pats for them to either just find it boring or perhaps realise I am patronising them.

Of course, if I player in my level range decides to attack me I'll put pet on aggresive, freezing trap, move to good range and put up a fair fight. Normally I win, probably because with me first being passive about it and trying to stay away from a fight they think that it's going to be easy. :P

There are tgimes I've been ganked so much that I get aggressive for afew hours and kill all opposing players I can, but it's not really a lot!

Anyway, back to original topic, it's hard to say what your tactic should be without knowing what spec he is. I would say the other suggestions have been good (I've been down both the affliction and demonology path on my lock and from the examples I know I would have a hard time dealing with either).

I would say though, that with his attitude he sounds like someone who thinks warlocks are "easy" to play, so your best bet is to utilise as much of your own class as possible. Anything which incapacitates him is good, and have your pet on him the whole time to stop any non-instant spells he has. As others have said, the succubus doesn't have a whole lot of healthand should not be the hardest to down. And also, most locks will want to keep you out of melee range since they are cloth wearers, which should mean you can get a few goo´d shots in even between fears.

Also, never studied this myself, but since damage caused breaks seduce I am guessing dot's will also break it? Cause then I don't really know how the succubus should be much of a help with seduce? :P
#23 Jun 01 2007 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh I forgot If you are non BM just FD right as his succy comes at you. Chances are your friend is stupid and not paying much attention cause of his arragence and will not realize his pet is standing next to him again. or even better attacking your pet. works like a champ. I love it when chumps fall for the FD at the start of the duel.
#24 Jun 01 2007 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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It is amazing sometimes how useful FD can be in PvP. At the least, it breaks any spell casts with a timer. Not so helpful against Warlocks with all of their Instant casts, but if they decide to Shadow Bolt you then FD, they lose that cast, stand and fire.
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