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#1 May 22 2007 at 5:06 AM Rating: Default
Hello all - a somewhat shamefaced request for assistance.

I have been a PVE-er and instance runner, to endgame (but not a raider, i dont have the time) since getting addicted to WoW maybe a year and a half ago. My previous main was a Hunter on a PVE server and then a group of us moved over to a PVP server, where my main is a rogue.

I do absolutely fine and know what my job is running instances and levelling, so dont feel I need too much advice on that aspect. However for (quite) a while I have been feeling that I have been a complete chicken and that I should bite the bullet and do battlegrounds / arena - but it is right out of my comfort zone. Clearly I dont want to be hopeless if/ when I do.... At present I do not do especially well if fighting alliance (I am horde) and I would say dueling my success ratio is less than 30% (but I dont fight many duels).

Most times I fight anyone who knows their class I get minced: my typical approach (to a duel for example, or to an encounter with Alliance) would be to try to stealth in, cheap shot, then backstab, then vanish, then repeat. Or something like that. I am guessing this works fine for new players or players with first time toons, but on my server, I dont think there are too many of those: the good players have a counter to everything I do, which they know how to roll out very quickly.

A recent encounter with an Alliance Mage (human)who I stealthed in on went like this (two levels below me, oh the shame of it). CS, backstab (no crit and the Mage wasnt on the verge of death). Once the CS runs out, the mage blinks away, freezes me to the spot, and blasts me. I finally get clear of the freeze, start toward the Mage, who blinks to somewhere else, freezes me and blasts me. I die.

And then with a Hunter - this was a duel, and again, this guy, who proposed the duel (I never do). I try to stealth in. I dont think I ever got off the CS becuase he has dropped a trap, so I get stopped in my tracks, and from there he kites me around like a monkey, using intimidation and knocking me down from range. I truly did not have an idea how to deal with it. I die.

Now clearly I console myself with the idea that the Mage and Hunter were Uber specced and are Uber PVPers but this probably is not the case. So before I get made to look really stupid in a battleground, can you advise how I need to adapt from PVE to be successful at PVE.

Please let me know your thoughts. I'd also quite like to know how I should have dealt with my two recently disasterous encounters !

Thanks.....

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http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=The+Maelstrom&n=Savath
#2 May 22 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Decent
It sounds to me you don't really know how to get a good stunlock off..

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to an encounter with Alliance) would be to try to stealth in, cheap shot, then backstab, then vanish, then repeat.


You should be doing something like this..
Stealth -> Cheap shot -> SS -> Gouge -> Wait for energy -> Kidney shot -> the unleash hell..

Depending on how much health the enemy has after that, you could vanish and do the whole thing over again.. I don't really like to blow CDs like vanish unless i really have to.

And if your still having trouble you could respec to a more PVP-oriented build..

Hope this helps.
#3 May 22 2007 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
To get better , as a start , you have to learn all techniques that other players might use against you , so that when it comes , you'll know what to do.After that , it's all practice , to get better you'll have to fight , it won't suddently come to you as a godsend.

Whitestile wrote:


Now clearly I console myself with the idea that the Mage and Hunter were Uber specced and are Uber PVPers but this probably is not the case.



Definitly not.Another Mage probaly would have blinked right after the Cheap Shot landed , and the hunter would have used Flare.Just be prepared next time you face a mage to run where he's supposed to blink , watch out for flare and traps (you see them thanks to a passive ability now , if no flare you'll be able to disarm it sometimes) against hunts...

And yeah , Vanish is good when you're in a bad place.Typically when you're frozen by the mage ;) or right when the Hunter trap fades.You might want to use it to finish off somebody , but since you haven't got Cloak of Shadows yet , Vanish is pretty much your only escape hatch , don't blast it too soon :-)

And go BGs and stuff , d/l a few well-rated Rogue movies to get a glimpse of idea , etc. Good luck :)
#4 May 23 2007 at 2:54 AM Rating: Default
Thanks both, very helpful.

I think you are right on the stunlock thing.....in instances I dont tend to use gouge much, our healer is extremely competent and I dont usually need time to regroup / heal / wait for energy; by then the mob would be toast anyway; and whilst grinding / soloing it is not a move I tend to use and no talent points are devoted to it. Probably to make me more PVP friendly I should put some points in improving gouge......

Not that it is the same but I had a little bit of a practise playing with gouge last night whilst fighting Elite mobs a level or so higher than me around ZF and I think it showed me I could handle a slightly more dangerous situation than I would with me regular moves.

Ok: will bite the bullet and get on with it. Thanks.

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