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Nature's Focus Vs Barkskin when duelingFollow

#1 May 17 2007 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it really worth it? Wasting 5 talent points on Natures Focus when you want a pvp build? I always thought that it is quite great for keeping you alive. But that was before I learned barskin. I mean... come on... after the new patch barkskin is gonna have a really short cooldown. Barkskin does give you 100% protection from spell delaying (while Nature's Focus gives 70% when maxed) plus it saves you from some damage.

Well in my opinion NF should only be maxed by Restoration Druids since they don't have the luxury to cast Barkskin every time a mob hits them while they are trying to heal someone (maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a good Resto Druid is not supposed to agro any mobs - have very little experience playing as a healer though...). Basically I think it's more of a pve talent and really not an invaluable one.

What say you?


Edited, May 17th 2007 10:40am by helekin
#2 May 17 2007 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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True NE is LESS useful after you get Barkskin but if it's on cooldown it's still nice to have. but I tend to agree that it's not so great, I'm plannig on getting NE but I'mnot wasting 5 more points on ImpNE. Also...

NE and ImpNE = 100% root on hit. +35% forn NE it's self and +65% form ImpNE.

Makes it sound a LITTLE better doesn't it :)
#3 May 17 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Sloniah, you're getting confused with NG, Nature's Grasp. This is a bout NF, Nature's Focus. (Resto tree, prevents delays when casting healing spells)

To the OP,

It's true that the soon-to-be buff to Barkskin will make it easier to cast when you need it, but if you want to heal in BG's, you will NOT be able to manage well enough relying on a 1-minute CD spell. You need that talent.

And it's entirely PvP-oriented as there is no reason you should have stuff hitting on you in PvE in an instance with a good tank. Especially end-game stuff where tanks are really good or they get kicked from that spot.
#4 May 17 2007 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Nature's focus is quite a good talent as it greatly improves your healing abilities and means you can use Barkskin alot more recklessly. However considering the other talents available at that level in the resto tree if I had a spare 5 points, I'd probably prefer Naturalist for the extra damage, but then I am feral spec.

I suppose if you want to go down the Feral or Balance tree then as a talent it could be pretty handy for instances as people often want you to heal so it means you have a much better chance of casting without having to really go into the resto tree. I guess its just trying to decide whether you want to be able to do that little bit more damage or heal that little bit better, would definitely improve your survivability on bad aggro pulls.
#5 May 17 2007 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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bottom line, if you plan on doing ANY pvp healing, you need natures focus. end of story. things will remain this way until the day they make barkskin active all the time at no cost (which they wont do).
#6 May 21 2007 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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bottom line, if you plan on doing ANY pvp healing, you need natures focus. end of story. things will remain this way until the day they make barkskin active all the time at no cost (which they wont do).


The day BS becomes a no CD buff would be the day Boomkin would tear WoW apart. Ahhhh why, Quor? Why have you given me this idea? Tch, Might as well make starfire an instant cast as well.

I dont like Natures Focus. Even when I was Resto I didnt like it. Do not know why. Yet I never PvP healed, as I hated BG's 10-40.
#7 May 21 2007 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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funny you say that. all i really know is resto, despite all my knowledge of balance and feral and how they work. even as a warrior you can see my playstyle is influenced more by control and attrition than killing **** before i die. natures focus is great in that regard, not to mention its essential to anyone who seeks to serve in a healing support role, especially in pvp (but even in pve to an extent).
#8 May 22 2007 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
Last time I resec'd I put 5 in Naturalist instead of NF. A half second off HT doesnt help much; I did it for the 10% damage increase. Now that I'm doing more PvP I really regret not having NF though. Pretty much impossible to get a heal off if there's more than one opponent on you. For some reason I always forget to use BS, maybe because it's not on a convenient key. That will change now with the improvement in BS, but next time I respec I'll still go back to NF. With a 1-min. cd on BS you'll be dead long before you can use it again.
#9 May 22 2007 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
Im going to go ahead and lay it on You guys, this talent and spell arent going to help much in PvP. Curious as to why? ill tell u why.... most classes have either the ability to stun and or spell block... take for instance the ability kick on a rogue he opens on u with a CS and BSs twice then u start fighting him. next thing u know, u need to heal u pop out of ur form cast Barkskin and u start casting wat u think hes going to do? hes going to kick u in the face and interupt ur casting then prolly KS u and finish while ur in caster mode...
This skill and this talent dont protect against stun and spell block. and thats the bottom line......







Edited, May 22nd 2007 11:15pm by FlamingCookiesofdoom
#10 May 23 2007 at 4:16 AM Rating: Good
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next thing u know, u need to heal u pop out of ur form cast Barkskin and u start casting wat u think hes going to do? hes going to kick u in the face and interupt ur casting then prolly KS u and finish while ur in caster mode...


this is why you:

heal early

heal often

learn to spell fake

the only interrupt moves i have issues with are counterspell and fel hunter spell lock, because both are ranged and not on the global cooldown. earth shock, kick, pummel/shield bash and even feral charge are pretty easy to fake with a little bit of thinking (a rarity in druids these days sadly).
#11 May 23 2007 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Why not just bash that rogue - gives you a good loooong window to fix your heal, or if you are in cat (dunno why you would be though) just maim, cyclone and then you've got 6 seconds of free healing. Only reason to use barkskin is when you got 2 guys on you, or connected with hurricane! This is talking from a ferals pov, as I'm quite sure it's different for balance druids, but only played as balance for 48 hours.
#12 May 24 2007 at 1:30 PM Rating: Default
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this is why you:

heal early

heal often

learn to spell fake

the only interrupt moves i have issues with are counterspell and fel hunter spell lock, because both are ranged and not on the global cooldown. earth shock, kick, pummel/shield bash and even feral charge are pretty easy to fake with a little bit of thinking (a rarity in druids these days sadly).


1.Being a feral druid i try to stay in my form as long as possible, but i do agree i need to start popping out at a about 1/2 my bar
2.That is hard because im am not resto speced and casting for me takes a while.
3. kick u in ur fake? im no doctor, but as far as i know thats not any type of body part.



Edited, May 24th 2007 5:44pm by FlamingCookiesofdoom
#13 May 24 2007 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
Cyclone costs alot of mana (nearly half) and im feral so i dont have much mana....
lets see...
heal:600 mana
cyclone:1200mana
im left with barely enough to shift
not 2 mention that im probably going to need to pop a Reju.
my prediciment, is that if im stunned/spellblock while healing,there is not much i can do except shift back to bear and hope for the best...
this only happens usually when im facing 2-4 guys at once and also if there is a kink in my final talent build to help me in these situations,let me know......
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?00000000000000000000050303213232210503125105503301000000000000







Edited, May 24th 2007 5:49pm by FlamingCookiesofdoom
#14 May 24 2007 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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spell faking is a lost art. thankfully, higher ranked arena teams are starting to bring it back.

spell "faking" is the art of faking a spell cast in order to generate an interrupt. interrupts only interrupt (and lock out) if they interrupt something. if youre not casting anything when a rogue kicks you, nothing happens (unless they have improved kick, but that only lasts for 2s which is almost nothing). so what you do is start to cast a spell, such as regrowth, and then immediately after you begin casting, you stop casting. how you stop casting is up to you. you could move, you could jump, you could just hit escape, or you can make a /stopcasting macro and hit that. what matters is that you STOP CASTING before they interrupt you.

if all goes well, youll start your cast, end it prematurely, get kicked/pummeled/counterspelled/spell locked/earth shocked, and then be free to heal soon afterwards. silence effects (such as from spell lock or improved kick or improved counterspell) will still SILENCE you. but you wont be locked out. so you wait out the silence, and heal to your hearts content.

its not hard to do, but for some reason casters nowadays rarely do it. which is sad really.
#15 May 24 2007 at 4:04 PM Rating: Default
Oh ok thx for clearing that up..... but on the talents should i get the extra stun? my final build is on my last post.
Thx for ur input in advance :)
#16 May 25 2007 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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A few comments about your build:

1- Yes, Brutal Impact is an awesome talent worth the 2 points.

2- SotF > Thick Hide in terms of damage mitigation in Bear form and in PvP situations.

3- This is more of a personal remark: What do you want to do with that build? If you want to tank really well, you pretty much have to grab SotF unless you want to gimp yourself and give your healers a worse time than they could get away with. Just wondering, really. I suppose you can still off-tank well enough without SotF.
#17 May 25 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Default
i just want to be able to do alittle of it all im prolly going to focus on pvp later tho.....
Edit: i was afraid you were going suggest SOTF i dont really like the talent....
but i see ur point, 10 percent from leather aint much


Edited, May 25th 2007 1:16pm by FlamingCookiesofdoom
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