I don't know if this is a warrior specific problem or not, but I thought I'd ask here in case anyone has run into a similar problem as a warrior.
I don't know if anyone else does this, but I use two separate outfits for my 60 warrior: a "spirit" outfit for in between fights, and a normal "battle" outfit. I use Outfitter or Itemrack to switch between them. I've noticed that recently I'm actually *losing* HP when I switch even one piece of equipment by hand, even when my max HP goes up because of the change. Typically I lose around 200 HP, though it varies with the piece of equipment.
This isn't a huge deal by itself, but when swapping many pieces of equipment via Itemrack or Outfitter, I end up losing 500+ HP. For example, I'll use my spirit set to quickly get up to my ~5000 HP max after a fight, but when I switch back to my battle set (which has almost the same max HP) my current HP drops right back down to 4499. And it's not random; it always drops to that same number when switching between sets (both Itemrack and Outfitter behave the same way, so it's not addon specific).
The strange thing is, it *only* happens if my HP is above 4499. If I switch when my HP is below that point, my current HP stays the same like it normally does. I should also note that I've used this style of play for the last 30 levels, and this has only just now started to happen.
If anyone has had any similar problems, I'd appreciate any help!
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I would guess it's because, even though it happens almost instantly, it's changing gear piece by piece and something like this happens.
You take off gloves with 30 stamina.
You lose 300 max hp and health goes down.
You put on a chest with 50 stamina.
So even though max stamina went up you lost some hp when you took off the gloves. Changing the order you change gear might help. Just my theory anyway.
You take off gloves with 30 stamina.
You lose 300 max hp and health goes down.
You put on a chest with 50 stamina.
So even though max stamina went up you lost some hp when you took off the gloves. Changing the order you change gear might help. Just my theory anyway.
Actually, if he's swapping gear without actually taking it off, he's not losing any HP. I'm guessing his normal battle set has more stam then his spirit set, so when he equips his battle set back on, he gains more HP. He isn't losing hp, its staying the same, however, his max hp is going up, so it looks like he took damage.
Lets say he has 2000 hp in his Battle Set and 1600 in his Spirit Set.
He finishes battle and switches on Spirit Set, heals back up to the 1600 hp max in that.
He switches into Battle Set Gear.
His max hp goes up to 2000, but due to the limitations from his Spirit Set, he only has 1600 and has to heal up the other 400 still.
It will show he is at 80% health due to that, so it seems like he is taking damage, but he's not.
Lets say he has 2000 hp in his Battle Set and 1600 in his Spirit Set.
He finishes battle and switches on Spirit Set, heals back up to the 1600 hp max in that.
He switches into Battle Set Gear.
His max hp goes up to 2000, but due to the limitations from his Spirit Set, he only has 1600 and has to heal up the other 400 still.
It will show he is at 80% health due to that, so it seems like he is taking damage, but he's not.
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He isn't losing hp, its staying the same, however, his max hp is going up, so it looks like he took damage.
I wish it were this simple, but unfortunately that's not the case. My spirit outfit actually has slightly more HP, at 5089, while my battle outfit has 5049. So I should lose about 40 HP in the transition, but I shouldn't be losing 500+. I should reiterate that my actual *current* HP value goes down, it's not just that the percentage changes because my max HP has gone up.
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I would guess it's because, even though it happens almost instantly, it's changing gear piece by piece and something like this happens.
I'm afraid this is probably closest to being correct. It's just frustrating that it never happened up until now. It does also happen when I only change one piece, such as by right-clicking on it from my bag, so it's not entirely due to changing several pieces at once.
Oh well, 4499 HP is fine 99% of the time, so I guess I'll just have to live with it until I find a solution ; )
Edited, May 15th 2007 10:49pm by sarusan
While I'm not 100% sure, I believe your add-on de-equips the item then equips it's replacement.
It'd be like Raaze said, you have 5k HP in both sets, but when you swap gear you lose the bonus HP from the pieces you change and then regain the Max hp, but not the actual.
Try using your mod for 1 item and note how much HP each item gives you and see if that really is the case. I'd be willing to guess that the total +HP you are getting from the gear you switch is about 550ish.
It'd be like Raaze said, you have 5k HP in both sets, but when you swap gear you lose the bonus HP from the pieces you change and then regain the Max hp, but not the actual.
Try using your mod for 1 item and note how much HP each item gives you and see if that really is the case. I'd be willing to guess that the total +HP you are getting from the gear you switch is about 550ish.
When you replace one item for another, there's this small fraction where you have neither equipped, even if you do it by hand. Then your max stamina lowers, and your current stamina is lowered to your max stamina.
If you use Itemrack or Outfitter, several items will be changed in the same fraction, so your max stamina gets reduced for several items at the same time.
Ain't it easier to use food/bandage than a spirit set?
If you use Itemrack or Outfitter, several items will be changed in the same fraction, so your max stamina gets reduced for several items at the same time.
Ain't it easier to use food/bandage than a spirit set?
thels is right, when you swap pieces your max hp drops and you lose those hps. otherwise, you could swap weapons with stam in combat for a quick heal.
with 5100 hp heavy runecloths and netherweave bandages are the way to go, however once you start pushing 9-10k a 2800hp bandage just doesn't cut it, and a 3400 bandage is just a waste (because it's twice the mats for 21% more hps)
i've got some spirit shoulders i put on. one piece alone ups my regen from 54/tick to almost 80/tick. i mt'd in kara for about ten minutes with them on...
with 5100 hp heavy runecloths and netherweave bandages are the way to go, however once you start pushing 9-10k a 2800hp bandage just doesn't cut it, and a 3400 bandage is just a waste (because it's twice the mats for 21% more hps)
i've got some spirit shoulders i put on. one piece alone ups my regen from 54/tick to almost 80/tick. i mt'd in kara for about ten minutes with them on...
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Ain't it easier to use food/bandage than a spirit set?
Not at all, though I'm sure it boils down to personal preference. Right now I regain about 160 HP/tick standing, and around 220 sitting - and that's with switching only about half of my equipment. If I switch right after each fight, by the time I loot, skin, and make my way over to the next mob, I've almost always regained at least 90% of the HP I've lost (assuming I'm fighting mobs at my own level or lower).
In other words, I never have to buy bandages or food, or use mats that I could otherwise sell to make them. I almost never have to sit and heal after a fight and can grind pretty much nonstop on mobs my own level, assuming I don't get lots of extra adds. Even if I do have to sit, I can regain huge chunks of HP in only a couple of seconds. The only negative is the amount of bag space the extra equipment takes up, but I never play long enough to fill my bags anyway, so it doesn't bother me. Even with the HP drops, I still find it far better than bandaging/food, but to each their own ; )
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Try using your mod for 1 item and note how much HP each item gives you and see if that really is the case. I'd be willing to guess that the total +HP you are getting from the gear you switch is about 550ish.
The HP bonuses from my swapped equipment is around 2000 HP (in both sets), so I don't think that's the problem specifically.
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thels is right, when you swap pieces your max hp drops and you lose those hps. otherwise, you could swap weapons with stam in combat for a quick heal.
How would swapping weapons without the HP drop *heal* you? The extra stamina would only increase your max HP, it wouldn't automatically raise your current HP to that level.
I guess I keep coming back to my original frustration, which is that I have *never* lost HP swapping equipment up until this point. I was thinking that maybe it was something they had implemented in a recent patch, but apparently it's a known thing :(
Edited, May 16th 2007 7:49pm by sarusan
Confirmed it on my druid.
Swap out a 21 stamina, 6 all stats enchant for a heavy clefthoof, I lose 231 life, the equivalent of 21 stamina.
What's odd is the enchant doesn't seem to be removed stamina.
Swap out a 21 stamina, 6 all stats enchant for a heavy clefthoof, I lose 231 life, the equivalent of 21 stamina.
What's odd is the enchant doesn't seem to be removed stamina.
OHHH MY GOD! why is there more than one post on this? its jsut a stupid quest anyways. and the onyl answer is a stam difference, u dont need to go into detail about such a dum question...
Umm, L2S before you post calling other people stupid plz.
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Confirmed it on my druid.
Swap out a 21 stamina, 6 all stats enchant for a heavy clefthoof, I lose 231 life, the equivalent of 21 stamina.
Swap out a 21 stamina, 6 all stats enchant for a heavy clefthoof, I lose 231 life, the equivalent of 21 stamina.
This can't be all there is to it. Are you suggesting that if you had 100 HP left and you swapped equipment, you would just drop dead on the spot? Furthermore, if it was as you say, I would lose over 2000 HP each time I did a swap. There's clearly more involved, and I'm still trying to figure out what it is. Humor me: try swapping equipment when you're fairly low on HP, and tell me if you still get that HP loss. For me it only starts to happen at a certain point.
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OHHH MY GOD! why is there more than one post on this? its jsut a stupid quest anyways. and the onyl answer is a stam difference, u dont need to go into detail about such a dum question...
It helps if you actually *read* the thread before making silly comments that make you look stupid.
Unfortunately no one has suggested the right cause of the problem yet. Why? Because I don't lose any HP at all going from battle gear to spirit gear, and I don't lose any HP if I swap when my HP is below 4499. Therefore it can't simply be that the equipment is unequipped for a split second in between changes, otherwise I would always lose the HP. But as it is, it only happens when switching to battle gear and when my HP is above 4499.
Mock me if you wish, but it's a real problem that has yet to be explained, and I will continue to investigate it ; )
my guess is you have 4499hp nekkid with no gear on.
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Here's something else I noticed last night: I NEVER lose HP if I swap while "in combat", no matter how many pieces I change, and no matter which way I swap. It seems that it ONLY happens outside of combat, when I'm above 4499 HP, and when swapping to battle gear.
I get about 2500 HP from equipment, so there's no way I have 4499 "nekkid" ; )
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my guess is you have 4499hp nekkid with no gear on.
I get about 2500 HP from equipment, so there's no way I have 4499 "nekkid" ; )
You can't change gear in combat.
Thus your HP doesn't shift at all.
Only thing you can swap in combat is your weapon/shield/ranged.
Thus your HP doesn't shift at all.
Only thing you can swap in combat is your weapon/shield/ranged.
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You can't change gear in combat.
Thus your HP doesn't shift at all.
Only thing you can swap in combat is your weapon/shield/ranged.
Thus your HP doesn't shift at all.
Only thing you can swap in combat is your weapon/shield/ranged.
Ah, thanks, I hadn't noticed that. I just saw my weapon change and forgot to check the rest of it ; )
I'm going to try and talk to a GM tonight and see if they have any insights into what's causing it.
When you switch gear, your maximum hp is affected, your current hp doesn't change unless it's more than your new current hp, so when you switch to your spirit set, you're undoubtedly below the maximum hp and not noticing a difference.
Also, I think Raaze is correct. You need to take the overal sequence of gear changes into account to get the full picture of what's happening. Examine the below example:
Assume a max hp of 2000
remove +20 stam gloves - max hp 1800, current hp 1800
add +10 stam gloves - max hp 1900, current hp 1800
remove +20 stam bracer - max hp 1700, current hp 1700
add +30 stam bracer - max hp 2000, current hp 1700
Essentially, your current hp are going to go down to the minimum stamina at any point. That should essentially be the biggest stamina difference on any single piece of equipment, buc could be bit different depending on order. If you switched two +stam items in a row for lesser stamina items, the total hp drop would be the total difference of those 2 items. (see above example.)
Please note that the order the items are being changed in could be such that the hp difference going one direction is different than going the other way. This could also explain that you don't lose hp going to the spirit set.
Also, I think Raaze is correct. You need to take the overal sequence of gear changes into account to get the full picture of what's happening. Examine the below example:
Assume a max hp of 2000
remove +20 stam gloves - max hp 1800, current hp 1800
add +10 stam gloves - max hp 1900, current hp 1800
remove +20 stam bracer - max hp 1700, current hp 1700
add +30 stam bracer - max hp 2000, current hp 1700
Essentially, your current hp are going to go down to the minimum stamina at any point. That should essentially be the biggest stamina difference on any single piece of equipment, buc could be bit different depending on order. If you switched two +stam items in a row for lesser stamina items, the total hp drop would be the total difference of those 2 items. (see above example.)
Please note that the order the items are being changed in could be such that the hp difference going one direction is different than going the other way. This could also explain that you don't lose hp going to the spirit set.
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