26/0/35 HemoFollow

Just curious if the five additional points in Assassination outweighs the five points into Sinister calling. this is obviously for a purely PvP build. I'd really appreciate some input. Theoretically I believe the DPS output of this build would easily outweigh the missing Sinister Calling. I'm going to be using Drakefist mainhand, and Terok's fist or whatever, the one that adds 15 mace skill, if that info is needed.

You should have Imp Gouge in a Hemo build, flat-out. It's a stunlock build, and Imp Gouge is vital in stunlocks.

Plus, after Premed, you don't really gain anything for PvP in Sub. Maybe Cheat Death, but I have no experience with it.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3153201050001000000000000000000000000000000005002530002321213501050

For Hemo thats the build i use.
gives you close to 1600 AP with decent gear.

plenty enough cp generation to drop anything that crosses you.
with a heavy 1hander fist or sword or mace 2.50 speed or slower your getting 1k hemo crits, with snd active white dmg is avg between 600-900.

Hemo is my favorite build. it does good dmg in raid, 5 man, and easy mode in pvp.
however reflex blades keep eluding me. 23 arc runs 15 mech no sword or chest:(

hence the mutilate.

ok lets compare

not my hemo but close enough
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Malfurion&n=Valendil

then lets go to combat btw you said "you're playing with people who have no idea how to play their class"

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Blackwing+Lair&n=Basheer

i guess he needs to learn to respec and get new gear eh ?
look at the speed for gladitors gear there is no 2.80 speed weapons any more and 60-70 is a huge difference for rogues speially gear wise 13-14k warriors with a sh*t ton of defense. yes 1k on them is good see how much you hit a clothy for. please stick to your hunter. you have zero knowledge on rogue 70.

Also you missed out on " Master Of Subtley" once filled is 10% additnoal dmg thats nice for premed_ cheap shot Herrrrrro mr 5 point CB eviserate :)

you also forgot + 15% more agilty with sinister calling. your right agi is worthless to rogues eh?

oh btw pleaselrn2read ktxbai
i never said i top the charts i do good dmg:) i assist my raid with the spec please read the hemo tooltip in talent build





Edited, May 12th 2007 2:00am by XPuggX

Edited, May 12th 2007 2:03am by XPuggX

it's really nice going as hemo to the raid and not having to pay the 50g respec to go back to a pvp build.

for me when i have the points i would like to get gladiators fist Since hemo work on high end base wise for larger crit. just debating a faster offhand to possiably boost Attack speed and white dmg in SND.

i seen your build. i dont use ambush, on non bleedable bosses. i garrote them. curator etc etc get the ambush, and if they are immune they get the kidneyshot so i can get my haste rating for faster attack speed. since i have 2 assanation peices and the trick for haste rating still works.

please look outside of the box:)

Sorry Pugg, but no, he doesn't know how to spec for PvE.

I mean, it's cool that you want to delude yourself into thinking that not having Imp SnD, AR, and BF makes you a good Rogue, but I'm sorry, speccing combat swords and not taking Weapon Expertise?

/rofl at that.

I'm sorry fel arms are that expensive on your server, they're down to 13g on mine(lower population prolly). I did most of my rep farming in Shadowmoon valley at legion hold, but the forge camps in Netherstorm are good too.
As to skilling up engineering I used the felsteel boomstick. Took me about 4 hrs to get the schematic to drop but it's the cheapest way for a miner/eng to skill up to 375.

Edited, May 12th 2007 2:57am by mahlerite

ty for the tip mahlerite.

1400 ap isn't that bad for 70 hunter, but marks hunter should definetly have more crit. Crit is huge for hunter, esp marks, so many talents are crit proc dependent. But i digress, referring to your(theophony's) comment earlier about not taking wpn expertise. This skill currently does next to nothing. +10 wpn expertise gives you +.08%-.12% chance your attack will not be parried/blocked/dodged and if you are behind the mob this will only give you .08%-.12% better chance your attack won't be dodged. So the max this skill can help is a .24%-.36%% chance to land a hit. Big freakin deal... I think every rogue can do just fine without that.



Edited, May 12th 2007 3:26am by mahlerite

For each point that your weapon skill exceeds your opponent's defense, you gain the following:

* Your chance to miss decreases by 0.04%.
* Your chance to score a critical hit increases by 0.04%.
* Your opponent's chance to block your attack decreases by 0.04%.
* Your opponent's chance to parry your attack decreases by 0.04%.
* Your opponent's chance to dodge your attack decreases by 0.04%.

Effectively, you can consider weapon skill to be the inverse of the defense skill.

Additionally the 2.0.1 patch notes say

* The player will gain 0.1% to their critical strike rating per weapon skill against monsters above their level.

Presumably this is only for Weapon Skill over your level's natural cap (Level * 5). It is not known if you also get the additional 0.04% crit chance per additional +skill.

Weapon skills are maxed in pvp combat. While this means leveling a weapon for pvp is unimportant, racial attribrutes, talents, and weapons with +skill still affect pvp hit/crit rating. Most players, however, see the +skill in pvp as useless; you will still see many orcs with the high warlord sword.


Furthermore you only get 1 pt of wpn skill per 3.4(3.2 have seen differeing #s on this) pts of specialization. So the +10 talent translates into 3 more wpn skill pts or .12% for all the above mentioned.

You are completely 100% wrong. It's widely accepted that ~308 hit rating is the optimal for Rogues at 70.

After you hit 200 hit rating, you can start cheating some +hit for more AP and crit, but I wouldn't recommend it until you wipe the majority of glancing blows and misses from your Combat Logs (yes read over them).