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#1 May 07 2007 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I play 2vs2 with a priest along side of me, watching my back every step I take.

When we first started out about a month ago, we lost more then we won. 1 win and 9 losses on our first week. Now just a few weeks later, I'm proud to say this week we pulled off 9 wins and 1 loss, our best record yet. Our only loss this week was against a Mage & Rogue combo. I got sapped and they focused fired my priest, he was dead in a matter of 5 seconds.

I'm only 25 points away from purchasing one of my epic weapons, I got my sights set on the Gladiator's Rippers, they look very nice to me, and will be great in instances for sustained DPS. Smiley: grin

My Priest friend is Holy, and I'm Combat - both of us specced for PvE. Smiley: sly

What tactics do you guys use? Our favorite and most successful yet, is darting inside when the gates open and immediately darting behind the nearest pillar, out of LoS & forcing the opponent to run to us. I'll stand a few paces behind my Priest friend, who is hugging the wall. If he happens to get Cheap Shotted by a Rogue, I'll immediately cheap shot the Rogue, and let the priest get some breathing room.

If I can see both opponents, I'll usually dart ahead and sap one (the one with thickest armor) and focus fire the second. When sap get's out- *Poof* they are taken out with a blind for another 10 seconds, by the time they get out, their ally is usally dead. (this is where adrenaline rush comes handy, SS spamming + Evis ftwSmiley: sly)

What are your poisons of choice? My poisons of choice are Mind Numbing in the offhand for the pesky casters, and a crippling in my main hand. Shiv is the greatest thing here, so much time to get a imp kick/gouge/ks in with those ultra slow casting times.

Cheers,
Zornov
#2 May 07 2007 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
I'd say you are doing it just fine. Also my friend and me are going to do 2v2 also, he's a shadow priest, think that will work as good as your holy priest's build?

Edited, May 7th 2007 11:12pm by unfocusedmonk
#3 May 07 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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We were less successful when he was shadow specced, not saying you can't be of course. The problem for us was, he was so busy trying to do damage instead of healing that we both still died. Whereas now I can be near dead several times and he always get's me back up to full with ease as I've blown all my cooldowns and am a killing machine.
#4 May 08 2007 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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So you do pretty well with a combat PVE spec in arena? I see in my battlegroup that most rogues in the top 20 teams are spec'd some form of combat sword/fist.
#5 May 08 2007 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
Poisons choices are easilly Wound MH and Crippling OH.

The problem with Mindnumbing is that if you run in a team with no caster, it's useless. While wound at least does some damage and will prevent even not magical healing from being as effective. Wound also stack to 5, making it a ***** to dispel...

The ability to hamstring on demand with shiv is also a god sent... I don't understand why you don't put it on OH :(.

From my experience, unless paired with a Warlock, shadow priest don't do so well in 2v2. I'm not an authority or anything... but they go down quick, don't heal much and do little damage due to being stunned/focusfired on.

As for being succesful in in arena in a pve spec... sigh, I'm going to come off as such an *** for saying this ... But you're not sucessful. You're rating are pretty low... you were bound to run in people that were worse then you at some point :( ... unless of course you're the worse in your battlegroup, which I don't wish on anyone.

Granted, I'm not a pro either, my rating is nothing to brag about either... But if you want your rating to go up, investing in a respec might not hurt.
#6 May 08 2007 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Nope, I'm a PvE rogue and just do arena on the side, I can't justify respeccing just for one hour of matches per week.

I prefer mind numbing to shiv, it gives me much more time to get off that(3 second flash heals/lesser healing wave, yes plz) kick/gouge/ks. No healing is better then reduced healing, imo.

Shiving a cripple is not an issue to me, it will usually go off anyhow, if it doesn't, I have my sprint and also my minor speed enchant on my boots, nobody is getting away from me.

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But you're not sucessful. Your rating is pretty low.


I said I was successful this week. 9-1. THIS WEEK. We are improving, our rating did go up. We've already done our matches for this week, but sadly, we only came out with 5 wins and 6 losses. Not bad, imo. If we keep it up, our rating is bound to improve.

What is your rating and team setup Tyr?
#7 May 08 2007 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I plan on making my rogue a full arena toon, with little PvE in his future. Like I have said in other posts, I will try a full sub build with shadowstep, along with assassination tree. Pair with a destro lock, we should be able to mow ppl down in 2v2.

I don't have a lot of experience with PvP builds, since I did very little in the run up to 70. What are the cookie cutter ones?
#8 May 08 2007 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
Look up Tarkand, Rogue on Anetheron.

My 2v2 is really just me and Chiel (Hunter), since Kturner hardly ever plays it. He's big on our 3v3, but not so much for 2v2. Which annoys me to no end since Rogue/Hunter is one of the worse combo I can think off...

My 5v5 is pretty much dead - We got our asses handed to us a few weeks ago, which caused some of our members to leave it. Plus we have a hard time getting 5 of us on at the same time and actually playing it. So yeah, wtb 5v5.

Like I said, it's nothing to brag about really. We get by. We win more then we lose. We're 'Slightly Above Average'.
#9 May 08 2007 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
Look up Tarkand, Rogue on Anetheron.

My 2v2 is really just me and Chiel (Hunter), since Kturner hardly ever plays it. He's big on our 3v3, but not so much for 2v2. Which annoys me to no end since Rogue/Hunter is one of the worse combo I can think off...

My 5v5 is pretty much dead - We got our asses handed to us a few weeks ago, which caused some of our members to leave it. Plus we have a hard time getting 5 of us on at the same time and actually playing it. So yeah, wtb 5v5.

Like I said, it's nothing to brag about really. We get by. We win more then we lose. We're 'Slightly Above Average'.


I'll 2v2 with you, its just that 2v2 is kind of a waste of time. =S good if we're bored i guess.
#10 May 08 2007 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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its just that 2v2 is kind of a waste of time


How so?
#11 May 08 2007 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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2vs2 is a waste of time probably because it's the slowest way to accumulate arena points. At least that's what I think KTurner is referring to. Still heaps of fun, imo.
#12 May 08 2007 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Tyr, I just checked your guy out, very nice gear I must say. You've collected most of the assassination set, I'm scared to ask how many times you've had to run each instance to collect all those.

Nice scores by the way, all those epix must have made a nice difference in kicking some major butt.

I'm also going to try Crippling in my offhand next time to see how it goes.

Cheers,
Zorn
#13 May 09 2007 at 6:09 AM Rating: Excellent
Yes, KT is refering to it not being worthwhile pointwise. You get a lot less point for 2v2 - but I like 2v2, so I do them anyway. :P

And I wouldn't worry to much ken, me and chiel get a lot of our 2v2 in the afternoon while you're at work.

I actually have 5/5 Assassination, I just don't wear it all. :P I was lucky on drop, I got my full set by the time it took me to hit revered with all the dungeon key factions.

And yes, the gear helps, but even in our relatively low level range, people usually have similar. Warrior with 2-3/5 gladiator set and/or their gladiator weapon/BS weapons are scary opponents :(
#14 May 09 2007 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
Yes, KT is refering to it not being worthwhile pointwise. You get a lot less point for 2v2 - but I like 2v2, so I do them anyway. :P

And I wouldn't worry to much ken, me and chiel get a lot of our 2v2 in the afternoon while you're at work.


Sounds good, Phil.
#15 May 09 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Me and my priest buddy duo 2v2 also.

He's... well right now, he's ENTIRELY PvE Holy specced because we started Kara last week.

Before that, his ideal spec was a disc/holy dps build.

We tried him as 41 disc before and as mostly holy, but we found priest holy dpsing is the best for the team because often I'll need the help taking down plate wearers fast, so we don't get rocked so hard by Pally/Warrior combo. And, he can still heal very effectively while not in shadow form. It might sound odd but it works for us.

I'm 21/0/40 (Instead of 30/0/31, I wanted the attack and agi for PvE). I use crip MH, Wound OH. This is so that if we face a poison-dispelling class, I don't need to continuously reapply crip - hemo does it fast enough. Also so if they dispel wound poison, I can reapply it quickly with shiv and prevent healing.

Our general strat is to try and sap someone at the beginning and focus dps the other, I sap the one who can dispel blind, if any, so that after the sap I can blind that person for 22 seconds with them out of the picture, without fear of it being dispelled.
#16 May 09 2007 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Zornov wrote:
2vs2 is a waste of time probably because it's the slowest way to accumulate arena points. At least that's what I think KTurner is referring to. Still heaps of fun, imo.


Right.

With a team rating of 1500 you get the following:

2v2: 286 points
3v3: 326 points
5v5: 408 points

So if you have a decent 3v3 or 5v5 team the only real point of 2v2 is for fun.

Which is fine, of course. I have a really great time in arena.

Started a 2v2 double rogue team last night. Both of us have pretty mediocre gear, scratch that, crappy gear. And we were both new to arena as rogues, but we did pretty good and had fun. The other rogue is also PvE specced, so the setup is far from ideal. Just grabbing some points on the side and having a good time.
#17 May 09 2007 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
Yeah, I don't know much about priests, but I know the holy/disc one seems to be doing better in 2v2, from what I've seen.

Nice score mageoken, best I got on my 2v2 was 1751, but we've dropped since :(.

I do have a question for you guys - why do you all go for the OH first? Granted, it's cheaper, but it's relatively minor upgrade compared to getting a MH.

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Sounds good, Phil.


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Edited, May 9th 2007 11:17am by Tyrandor
#18 May 09 2007 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
Put Wound on your OH, actually. Crippling will chain-apply from your Mainhand, but the ability to rapidly stack to five Wound Poisons (and make use of the current bug that makes Shiv'd poisons almost impossible to dispel) is better than a snare on demand.

Just a thought. =p

Have your Priest buddy get used to Mana Burning, a lot. It's harder without the talent, but against some of the classic combinations (i.e. Warrior + Paladin) the ability to rapidly run the Paladin out of mana is rather handy.
#19 May 09 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
I suppose I could try that, but seeing as Shiv is 38 energy and crap damage... doesn't seem like a good idea :(. I just don't see myself spamming Shiv in order to get 5 dose...

I'll use Shiv for a guaranteed crippling on a target, as it not proccing at the proper time can mean the difference between getting kited and not.
#20 May 09 2007 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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with imp poisons and Wound on MH, i get 5 stacked up pretty fast.

Definately wouldnt want to spam shiv for the 5 doses. Thats alot of wasted damage. Gotta drop things fast and shiv wont do that.
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