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#1 May 04 2007 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Please Rate This Build

I need to know opinions on the following talents:

Feral Swiftness - is it worth 2 points?
Brutal Impact - is extra 1 sec worth 2 points?
Feral Agression? worth it? if so, what should I drop
Primal Tenacity - Is it worth 3 points? Can u notice a difference?
Survival of the Fittest - do you see a difference with 3%?
Predatory Instincts - Do you notice a difference? Is it worth it?

Your Opinion on Furur VS Improved Mark of the Wild?
Your Opinion on Naturalist VS Nature's Focus

Thank you for your comments/opinions, they'll be greatly appreciated.
So far I'm level 49 with all points into feral.
#2 May 04 2007 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
Brutal Impact is very worth it in my opinion, gives you that extra second to heal or pull off a finishing move because it effects both pounce and bash.

Feral Swiftness is good for PvE and for dodge, personably I like it because I usually stya in cat in conteseted for humanoid tracker and not travel. Dodge always is good, for tanking too.

Feral Aggression was not in build, I rather have Ferocity, but if you tank, the demo could be good, but personally I think Ferocity is better.

Primal Tenacity is godd for PvP, not very much in raiding or instances I guess, but if you PvP its very useful, depends on what you will do with druid.

Survival of the Fittest is a must for tanking, especially if you plan on main tanking level 70 heroics and raids like kara. It helps for the crit to go down which is a must for any tank. It also lowers the defense needed to get to "crit immune" (where you almsot never get crited).

Again Predatory Instincts is more PvP in my opnion, but it is very useful for better crits and AoE which helps in some instances, but I see it mainly for PvP again spellcasters like mages or Warlock.

For feral Furor is a MUST, and I mean a MUST because if you have no rage and need that last hit you can shift twice and bam you have 10 rage without needing to worry about i hope it works or if you heal and the guy is running away, shift and charge right away, this is a MUST for any feral, saved my butt contless times in PvP. MotW is good too at hiher levels, but furor is just so good for feral that MotW is not worth it if you must pick between both of them.

Well the next one is a problem I am having, if you PvP i guess Nature's Focus would be great because you can heal with some certainty to pull it off, while Naturlist you can't because you are getting hit so may times. But the 10% meele is good for feral too, I personally am going with Nature's Focus unless you use barkskin to heal which will be good with the new buff to come, so I am not too sure on this one, I think Nature's Focus would be better if you will heal more during battle and Naturlist for when healing after battles.

I'm 49 too, was feral and now am Moonkin but will get a feral too, hope this helped.

Might be some typos there.

Edit: Some Typos and wow, this must have been the longest post yet for me.

Edited, May 4th 2007 1:30pm by Jerzboy
#3 May 04 2007 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks for the input. Basically you confirmed everything I was thinking. I'm more about AGI and DPS in cat but TANK in Instances 90% of the time. Going to start PVPing now at 49 to get some lvl 48 pvp gear I saw.
#4 May 04 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
I was same, I recommended carring sets for tanking and dpsing, I know you low levels have small bags and stuff but I managed and I have dps, tank, balance/healing gear. Good luck

OOh and stamina and strength for stats and armor are most important, then agility helps to dodge and crit too.

Edited, May 4th 2007 1:53pm by Jerzboy
#5 May 04 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
My bags are fine, lol. I have a Lvl 65 Mage 320 Tailoring on same server with 315 Enchanting so i'll usually buy with my mage, enchant and send to my druid. Same with bags, just make em myself and send to druid. Enchanting/Tailoring with mage and LW/Skinner with Druid = good money and I can make my own things. Basically good for saving money and making money. I'm considering moving my rogue to UTHER also since he has Alchemy/Herb Gathering. That would make it a complete deal. lol.
#6 May 04 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Good job Jerzboy you are right on for most of these anwsers. I have to dis agree with you on this tho.

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Your Opinion on Naturalist VS Nature's Focus


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Well the next one is a problem I am having, if you PvP i guess Nature's Focus would be great because you can heal with some certainty to pull it off, while Naturlist you can't because you are getting hit so may times. But the 10% meele is good for feral too, I personally am going with Nature's Focus unless you use barkskin to heal which will be good with the new buff to come, so I am not too sure on this one, I think Nature's Focus would be better if you will heal more during battle and Naturlist for when healing after battles.


For me I use my Bash and War Stomp (Tauren FTW!) to give me that 1.5 sce to get most if now all of my Regrowth off. At max rank it's still only a 2 sec cast giving you plenty of time with a bash to shift and heal before your attacker is back. Alternetly you can barkskin for the no-delay-to-spellcasting that gives Horde druids 3 CDs to heal. If your Ally then... sorry you picked the rong side :p but MOST of the time you only need 2 so you should be good.

Now the reason that Naturalist > Nature's Focus is because of the stacking effect from other talents like Savage Fury for a total of +30% from those 7 points. granted the total of 70% interupt resist is nice but as feral your going to be out-DPSing most things before that point.

Any way I hope you enjoy your Drood!

#7 May 07 2007 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest I'd try to get both Naturalist and Nature's Focus.

Sure, Bash+Heal or Warstomp+Heal is all nice and all but we're talking PvP here, not PvE. You *will* have to heal more than once a minute in many situations and even though Stomp is AoE, it only stuns so many targets. Let's say you do stun 5 targets and then a Hunter 20 feet away comes in and pewpewpews your face, what do you do? You cry cause you can't even pull off a Regrowth before the 5 targets get out of stun and beat you to a bloody pulp.

All in all, I'd seriously try to get both so try to cut somewhere else instead.
Kinda like this. (Not necessarily the best build for everyone but good all-around)
#8 May 07 2007 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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+1 :)

A good solid build, and point made about the pewpewpew hunter to the face. I've now had that happen to me YET. Most of the time its scare, dot, dot, dot "WTF?!" RUN LIKE HELL! but ether way.....
#9 May 07 2007 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah a shorter cast is very useful and the meele is nice too, so I am dropping some points to get both Naturlist and Nature's Focus as Selverein said, but at low levels we cant out dps all some classes till later on, so I believe Focus is better in low levels, but yes both are useful. Thanks
#10 May 07 2007 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
Depends on ur emphasis... by that I mean PvP, PvE and raiding.

Feral Swiftness - is it worth 2 points?
Absolutely... and don't forget 4% dodge along with the speed. Solo play, raiding - heck ya! In PvP moving faster when stealthed... gonna get way more kills. Get this no matter what!

Brutal Impact - is extra 1 sec worth 2 points?
Mobs in raids need to be stun locked (which druids can't do). PvP, stuns kick azz! Spell breaking, self-heals, and escape. PvE, ahh use ur barkskin. If ur so low u can't take any damage healing - u waited too long.

Feral Agression? worth it? if so, what should I drop
PvP - Ferocious bit is bursty DPS and very useful, but worth 5 pts? I don't think so. Raid - ur Roar gets bumped by Shout, so why bother. Solo - ur usally a cat in solo, and u usually finish with Maim (don't u).

Primal Tenacity - Is it worth 3 points? Can u notice a difference?
PvP this is essential. Takes away a big part of the locks and sneaks game. Raiding... against fear bosses, not really effective. Does help u aggro though. Soloing - not enough to make a difference.

Survival of the Fittest - do you see a difference with 3%?
Solo - what u get to use shred once? Maybe twice with a stun? For raiding u can get great DPS out of this (and a nice bonus when the debuff from mangle is on). PvP - uhh, shred is only usable from behind and the low saving on lacerate isn't worth the points.

Predatory Instincts - Do you notice a difference? Is it worth it?
Good for raids as a lot of damage is AOE. Barely noticable increase in PvP and PvE crits damage. If ur this far down, ur going for Mangle anyway... might as well get it.


Your Opinion on Furur VS Improved Mark of the Wild?
If your officers don't make u get Mark, then don't... let the resto druid get it and have him buff u in raids. Furor is great... its like emergency rage/energy in raids. Also helps u get right back into the fight in PvE after self heals. PvP - ur kidding, right. All u do is shift in and out to break polymorph and roots. Nice to be able to come right back at em.

Your Opinion on Naturalist VS Nature's Focus
Naturalist by far for the raids and solo. PvP its Focus all the way, for the odd reason that people see u healing they start beating on u... surprise them! Doesn't help with the counter spells or kicks though...
#11 May 08 2007 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Just to add my two cents and a few corrections:

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Feral Agression? worth it? if so, what should I drop
PvP - Ferocious bit is bursty DPS and very useful, but worth 5 pts? I don't think so. Raid - ur Roar gets bumped by Shout, so why bother. Solo - ur usally a cat in solo, and u usually finish with Maim (don't u).


I'm not sure why I'd finish with Maim. Rip is mob still has much health left. FB if he's almost dead or immune to bleed. Maim if... umm, if you need to shift out to heal? Sure, in PvP, Maim all the time if you like, but in PvE I really don't see why you'd use that as a finisher. It does okay damage but a FB would be better overall I believe.

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Survival of the Fittest - do you see a difference with 3%?
Solo - what u get to use shred once? Maybe twice with a stun? For raiding u can get great DPS out of this (and a nice bonus when the debuff from mangle is on). PvP - uhh, shred is only usable from behind and the low saving on lacerate isn't worth the points.


Double-check talents before commenting. :P Your comment would apply to Shredding Attacks. And I would kinda disagree on the PvP thing. Only from behind? That's precisely why it's good in PvP. You circle strafe your opponent and run through him a few times to confuse him and any time you're behind him (since he's not a mob he won't always be facing you) you can use a Shred.

Survival of the Fittest is +3% stats and +3% immunity to crits. It's essential for serious end-game tanking and most Feral builds will still include a few points if only to access higher level Tiers. In PvP it's very useful too as it effectively reduces the crit chance of your opponents. You really don't get this talent for the +3%, it's just a bonus.

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Your Opinion on Furur VS Improved Mark of the Wild?
If your officers don't make u get Mark, then don't... let the resto druid get it and have him buff u in raids. Furor is great... its like emergency rage/energy in raids. Also helps u get right back into the fight in PvE after self heals. PvP - ur kidding, right. All u do is shift in and out to break polymorph and roots. Nice to be able to come right back at em.


One thing I would say: If your officers make you get Imp MotW, tell them to get a sanity check. Unless you're the only Druid in the raid, or if all raiding Druids are Feral, there will always be another Druid who wouldn't lose anything by picking it up over Furor.


This is all I gotta say. I pretty much agree with most of the rest of the post.
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