Hi guys,
I dinged lv22 last night. Yay. Well a guildie asked me if I wanted to run DM. Being Tauren, I have not been to Westfall yet. So I got summoned.
Well, we went with 4 people. 28 lock, 27 priest, me- warrior, and a 16 lock =D
Well, I'm tanking fine (I think anyway), no one is getting hit, but me. Well I think our priest is a shadow priest (I did not ask), We get a 4 mob pull, so my HP is getting low.... no healing, no healing... I'm almost dead, still no healing... I pop a HP pot.
Finally, I get a heal tossed my way. This went on all night. I must have wasted about 10-15 HP pots. Then when the mobs were dead, I'm sitting with some damaged HP... I still don't get any heals. I pop bandages. I went through about 20-30 bandages that night too.
I never said anything to the priest (cause he did heal me vs VC, and the other 'oh boy' mobs). But it was close.
Last night was the 1st time in a run with a priest. A few other times I had a shammy or a pally. I know when my lv24 Priest, or my Druid for that matter, was in a party healing. If the player had less than 75% health I'd get worried and cast regrowth or w/e on him.
Is this going to be a common thing with shadow priest? I understand when they unlock shadow form they can't cast any heals, but at 27 he did not have it yet.
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Before the run, you need to establish who is the main healer of the group. Shadow priests can heal DM and are perfectly capable to do so. This is also true for any non healing specced hybrids like paladins, druids and shamans. (Your group is so over levelled for DM that anyone with even crappy gear should be able to heal through the instance anyway :)
However, bring bandages as you should not be healed after a fight is finished. Healing out of fights uses the healer's mana and simply just slows the groups progress.
And yes, at level 27, he won't have shadowform yet, and it's obvious if your priest is in shadowform. They become purple and semi transparent. A shadow priest as main healer should not be in shadowform as they can't cast heals. However, also at high level, their vampiric touch and vampiric embrace are extremely powerful as a party heal over time and mana return. Therefore, if you have a shadow priest and another hybrid in your group, you might want the hybrid as main healer instead.
PS, you simply was in a bad PuG.
However, bring bandages as you should not be healed after a fight is finished. Healing out of fights uses the healer's mana and simply just slows the groups progress.
And yes, at level 27, he won't have shadowform yet, and it's obvious if your priest is in shadowform. They become purple and semi transparent. A shadow priest as main healer should not be in shadowform as they can't cast heals. However, also at high level, their vampiric touch and vampiric embrace are extremely powerful as a party heal over time and mana return. Therefore, if you have a shadow priest and another hybrid in your group, you might want the hybrid as main healer instead.
PS, you simply was in a bad PuG.
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Before the run, you need to establish who is the main healer of the group. Shadow priests can heal DM and are perfectly capable to do so. This is also true for any non healing specced hybrids like paladins, druids and shamans. (Your group is so over levelled for DM that anyone with even crappy gear should be able to heal through the instance anyway :)
However, bring bandages as you should not be healed after a fight is finished. Healing out of fights uses the healer's mana and simply just slows the groups progress.
And yes, at level 27, he won't have shadowform yet, and it's obvious if your priest is in shadowform. They become purple and semi transparent. A shadow priest as main healer should not be in shadowform as they can't cast heals. However, also at high level, their vampiric touch and vampiric embrace are extremely powerful as a party heal over time and mana return. Therefore, if you have a shadow priest and another hybrid in your group, you might want the hybrid as main healer instead.
PS, you simply was in a bad PuG.
However, bring bandages as you should not be healed after a fight is finished. Healing out of fights uses the healer's mana and simply just slows the groups progress.
And yes, at level 27, he won't have shadowform yet, and it's obvious if your priest is in shadowform. They become purple and semi transparent. A shadow priest as main healer should not be in shadowform as they can't cast heals. However, also at high level, their vampiric touch and vampiric embrace are extremely powerful as a party heal over time and mana return. Therefore, if you have a shadow priest and another hybrid in your group, you might want the hybrid as main healer instead.
PS, you simply was in a bad PuG.
So true. I let my wife make a pali on my acct so she could try it out. she got to lvl 20 and hadnt gotten any good drops. so I took her char through VC and told them that I would heal. She didnt know how talent points worked... what a nightmare. Points all over the board. i think she did a 4/3/3 at 19 :S anywya I still didnt have any deaths when i was not anywhere near healing speced and wearing mostly grays. other than the items she got off quests. gonna make her an acct of her own as soon as I get another comp that can run WoW.
Ah, so we still do use bandages :/ lol. I just thought that we get tosses a Renew/regrowth or some DoT healing spell while they drink for mana when needed.
Oh well I'm glad my 1st aid is currently leveled up to my level. Thanks for the feedback.
Oh well I'm glad my 1st aid is currently leveled up to my level. Thanks for the feedback.
A slightly different twist on this:
My Regular Healer (40 or so levels together: Deadmines to Ramparts: Me Prot Warrior, Him Holy Priest) has recently respecced to Shadow. His Reason is that after 40 levels together, the Oh-S**t moments are so few and far between that every fight was "Renew", "Renew". He fell asleep once, it was only when a Prayer of Fortitude wasn't renewed that we noticed.
Oh-S**t moments were Shield, Renew, Greater Heal, Renew.
So far, after multiple Ramparts, Blood Furnace and Slave Pens, he's coping fine with VE healing. Once, he dropped into regular form for a Flash Heal and Greater Heal, when we got surprised by a patrol.
He promises to respec Holy at 70 though. He swears that based on progress so far, and experience with our higher level chars he wont need to respec earlier. It's his call, I trust him with my e-Life, He trusts me with his e-life.
I'm enjoying the extra DPS too
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My Regular Healer (40 or so levels together: Deadmines to Ramparts: Me Prot Warrior, Him Holy Priest) has recently respecced to Shadow. His Reason is that after 40 levels together, the Oh-S**t moments are so few and far between that every fight was "Renew", "Renew". He fell asleep once, it was only when a Prayer of Fortitude wasn't renewed that we noticed.
Oh-S**t moments were Shield, Renew, Greater Heal, Renew.
So far, after multiple Ramparts, Blood Furnace and Slave Pens, he's coping fine with VE healing. Once, he dropped into regular form for a Flash Heal and Greater Heal, when we got surprised by a patrol.
He promises to respec Holy at 70 though. He swears that based on progress so far, and experience with our higher level chars he wont need to respec earlier. It's his call, I trust him with my e-Life, He trusts me with his e-life.
I'm enjoying the extra DPS too
.Oh I'm not saying shadow priest can't heal. My lv24 priest is shadow too, and I've healed just fine in DM and WC.
I don't blame priest for going the shadow route. It's faster leveling. Holy priest fall into the protect warrior aspect... sure you're tough to kill, but fights take forever and grinding is very slow.
I've almost fell asleep while main healing with my Druid. we had two warriors, so aggro was on lockdown, both wearing plate armor, do damage taken was low. I'd throw a regrowth on them every to every other fight. Then just sit back.
IMO any talent build healing class can heal just fine. Sure you'll need to stop more and get mp, but if they have a +healing spell armor that it really don't matter.
I don't blame priest for going the shadow route. It's faster leveling. Holy priest fall into the protect warrior aspect... sure you're tough to kill, but fights take forever and grinding is very slow.
I've almost fell asleep while main healing with my Druid. we had two warriors, so aggro was on lockdown, both wearing plate armor, do damage taken was low. I'd throw a regrowth on them every to every other fight. Then just sit back.
IMO any talent build healing class can heal just fine. Sure you'll need to stop more and get mp, but if they have a +healing spell armor that it really don't matter.
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Shadow Priest = no healing?
I sometimes ask the same thing except substitute "Feral Druid" for "Shadow Priest". I know it can be boring to heal especially with a good group but if you're the only healing capable class in the group, don't go bear form and taunt stuff off the tank or stay in cat form doing dps as the Warrior's hit points hit the halfway mark. This has happened to me almost every time we ended up with a Druid in the group as sole healer.
I've seen tons of posts saying that Druids are the second best healing class in the game but I'm not seeing it. It's gotten so I much prefer to see a Shaman of any build come in as healer instead of a Druid because most Shaman I run into are willing to do whatever the group needs despite their talent spec.
I haven't run into many Shadow Priests yet but I know that pretty much any class that can heal is capable of standing back and healing low to medium level instances.
It's the player and not the spec that is the problem.
Paladins are the best healers hands down if he/she's specced right! Just grab a lock, Shadow Priest and rogue and your all set! At least thats how my groups with my bro's go. Here lately its been Tank (guess who!) Lock and Rogue. Then there is the occaisonal ****** who gets on and then we have a Shadow Priest.
With that combo we get Fort buff, Paly buff, Imp buff from Lock (depending on situation we might not have the buff, but most of the time we do.) and my Commanding Shout, sometimes I help out my Rogue and throw down the Battle Shout. Also, the Lock and SP do nice damage since they compliment eachother with the 20% damage buff from the SP to the Lock. Sword Spec rogue does insane damage and is always fighting with the lock for most DPS. Me, I just throw down the law and make sure my bro'hams don't get touched. Oh, the paly can bubble whoever too, so thats nice. Anyway thats the group I enjoy running with the most.
With that combo we get Fort buff, Paly buff, Imp buff from Lock (depending on situation we might not have the buff, but most of the time we do.) and my Commanding Shout, sometimes I help out my Rogue and throw down the Battle Shout. Also, the Lock and SP do nice damage since they compliment eachother with the 20% damage buff from the SP to the Lock. Sword Spec rogue does insane damage and is always fighting with the lock for most DPS. Me, I just throw down the law and make sure my bro'hams don't get touched. Oh, the paly can bubble whoever too, so thats nice. Anyway thats the group I enjoy running with the most.
Paladins are also one of the best dps for leveling in instances. damage return
+ consecrate, 30 non elete skeletons over there? no problem, you guys stay back. Pop a pw:s on me, run in pop an ab trinket. consecrate, consecrate, bubble, consecrate consecrate, there. all dead and time to kill the big easy skeleton.
+ consecrate, 30 non elete skeletons over there? no problem, you guys stay back. Pop a pw:s on me, run in pop an ab trinket. consecrate, consecrate, bubble, consecrate consecrate, there. all dead and time to kill the big easy skeleton.
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