I have a friend that plays a Warrior who seems to have more trouble leveling than anyone I've ever seen. Here is his Armory link:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Executus&n=Taurheart
His gear and build could certainly use some optimising, but it's not that bad. He says that unlike basically every other class out there, Warriors are terrible at soloing. He's been burned on bad PUG's and so doesn't like to do them very much, and me and all of our other buddies have passed his level a long time ago. So I'm looking for help from all of you Warrior pros -
1) Can Warriors solo without being twinked out?
2) If they can solo, where did you Warriors go to level around 34. Were you questing or grinding?
3) What techniques did you use during your fights?
All of the places I went to to level up with ease seem to give him a hard time. Thanks for all of your help!
Edited, May 3rd 2007 12:03pm by tclkage
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I see he's dual weilding... and Arms? I'm still a new warrior only lv 20, but all I do is read these forums while at work.
I just read a few post down about "arms or fury?". They came up pretty much for DW he'll prolly want to go Fury.
Things like Deep wounds that deal 60% of your weapon damage is more directed towards 2 hander weapons.
Just my suggestion. I respec'd as soon as I hit lv 20 for Fury. I did not really have to, but I thought I'd get a jump on the chain I'll take.
Also, is that the best shoulders he can get at that lv? I'm not sure when green shoulders come into play... but lv17 grey shoulders?
Nice chain head peice tho! I know some nice times drop in SM, he might want to try to get someone to take him, or get to 38ish and go with a group.
Hope all that babbling helps =P
I just read a few post down about "arms or fury?". They came up pretty much for DW he'll prolly want to go Fury.
Things like Deep wounds that deal 60% of your weapon damage is more directed towards 2 hander weapons.
Just my suggestion. I respec'd as soon as I hit lv 20 for Fury. I did not really have to, but I thought I'd get a jump on the chain I'll take.
Also, is that the best shoulders he can get at that lv? I'm not sure when green shoulders come into play... but lv17 grey shoulders?
Nice chain head peice tho! I know some nice times drop in SM, he might want to try to get someone to take him, or get to 38ish and go with a group.
Hope all that babbling helps =P
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I'm really not sure what his problem is. I play a level 34 warrior, and I've found questing and grinding to be pretty simple, really. I solo most of the time. Our equipment is pretty similar, too, (Mine: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Bladebiter) not too fancy, but not terrible either. The one thing I notice is that his strength is a little low (I consider myself to be on the low end for my level), and he definitely needs more stamina. He should look for more of both. If he can get them, he should be fine. For example, I am pretty confident in fighting something up to 3 levels above me, and I can take down 2 equal level mobs with no problem.
The thing that I've found about warrior, is that once you get in over your head, it's really, really tough to get out. So the key is to not get in over your head. Use a ranged weapon for pulling, and look before you leap.
I assume your friend knows that already, so here's what I'm doing right now to level. I'm questing in Hillsbrad and finishing up those quests, then moving on to the ones involving the Alterac Mountains and Arathi (Vale, I think). If I wasn't doing that, I would be in Desolace killing centaurs (questing). I would highly recommend finding a good area and questing, as opposed to just grinding.
From reading these boards, it seems like dual-wielding is very difficult until you get some higher level gear, so he might also want to consider picking up a big two-hander.
My fighting tactics are pretty basic. If the enemy is isolated and easy (no more than 2 levels above mine), I just charge and alternate Thunderclaps and Sunders, mixing in a Hamstring or Demoralizing Shout.
If the enemy is in a group, I pull with a bow. If more than 1 comes, I make sure to open with Thunderclap and Demoralizing Shout, then Cleave to my heart's content. In a bind, Intimidating Shout can help give you some breathing room.
If the enemy is tough (elite, or 3+ levels above mine), I charge, Thunderclap, Demoralizing Shout, SunderSunderSunderSunderSunder, Thunderclap, then start Slamming.
Slam is actually really good if you have a slow weapon, as it is faster than your normal weapon swing. I stay in Battle Stance most of the time, as Overpower is awesome and only available in that stance. Always use Overpower whenever it's available. I switch to Berserker Stance only if I need to intercept or break fear a second time (after Will of the Forsaken).
Battle Shout should be up all the time.
If you need to run, Hamstring and Intimidating Shout are the two tools you have, so learn to use them.
That's about all the advice I can offer. I haven't really had any problems leveling my warrior, and I've only been playing the game since the end of March, so hopefully this helps a little.
The thing that I've found about warrior, is that once you get in over your head, it's really, really tough to get out. So the key is to not get in over your head. Use a ranged weapon for pulling, and look before you leap.
I assume your friend knows that already, so here's what I'm doing right now to level. I'm questing in Hillsbrad and finishing up those quests, then moving on to the ones involving the Alterac Mountains and Arathi (Vale, I think). If I wasn't doing that, I would be in Desolace killing centaurs (questing). I would highly recommend finding a good area and questing, as opposed to just grinding.
From reading these boards, it seems like dual-wielding is very difficult until you get some higher level gear, so he might also want to consider picking up a big two-hander.
My fighting tactics are pretty basic. If the enemy is isolated and easy (no more than 2 levels above mine), I just charge and alternate Thunderclaps and Sunders, mixing in a Hamstring or Demoralizing Shout.
If the enemy is in a group, I pull with a bow. If more than 1 comes, I make sure to open with Thunderclap and Demoralizing Shout, then Cleave to my heart's content. In a bind, Intimidating Shout can help give you some breathing room.
If the enemy is tough (elite, or 3+ levels above mine), I charge, Thunderclap, Demoralizing Shout, SunderSunderSunderSunderSunder, Thunderclap, then start Slamming.
Slam is actually really good if you have a slow weapon, as it is faster than your normal weapon swing. I stay in Battle Stance most of the time, as Overpower is awesome and only available in that stance. Always use Overpower whenever it's available. I switch to Berserker Stance only if I need to intercept or break fear a second time (after Will of the Forsaken).
Battle Shout should be up all the time.
If you need to run, Hamstring and Intimidating Shout are the two tools you have, so learn to use them.
That's about all the advice I can offer. I haven't really had any problems leveling my warrior, and I've only been playing the game since the end of March, so hopefully this helps a little.
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Thanks for your posts! That helps a lot! I was thinking a big 2-hander would be the way to go as well because I see Palladins and Shamen doing that all of the time. In fact, I sent him a Khoo's Point polearm that he can use in a few levels and a bunch of ore to help him level up BS. One question about using a 2-hander, he's meantioned that he has a much harder time generating rage when using a two hander - hence the dual wielding. Any tips about how to deal with rage generation with a slower weapon? I'm really excited about having a buddy that has a Warrior to help us out - most of my friends are clothies and we're chomping at the bit for a great tank. Thanks again for all of the help!
i suggest a respec, that talent tree has arms points all over the place
also, go with a 2h untill you hit mid 40's-low 50's, thats when you start seeing +hit gear, otherwise youl see so many misses its not funny.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Dath%27Remar&n=Imtar
this is my spec (arms) i have no trouble getting rage and i lvled 7 lvls in 4-5 days last week
if your friend does a respec i suggest you put in the points like this
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?050203213525100200212000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000#none
thisway when you get to 40 (or 41, cant remember) you get mortal strike and youll only need heroic occasionaly, also this specleaves 1 point to put into his chosen weapon talent (sword,mace,axe), next few lvls put into weapon mastery and then use them onyou wep talent untill MS
sweeping strikes is a godsend! use it if your fighting two mobs and for 5 hits youll hit the person next to you, then cleave a few times, a good way to kill multiple mobs. also use thunder clap
sorry for ay spelling mistakes :P
also, go with a 2h untill you hit mid 40's-low 50's, thats when you start seeing +hit gear, otherwise youl see so many misses its not funny.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Dath%27Remar&n=Imtar
this is my spec (arms) i have no trouble getting rage and i lvled 7 lvls in 4-5 days last week
if your friend does a respec i suggest you put in the points like this
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?050203213525100200212000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000#none
thisway when you get to 40 (or 41, cant remember) you get mortal strike and youll only need heroic occasionaly, also this specleaves 1 point to put into his chosen weapon talent (sword,mace,axe), next few lvls put into weapon mastery and then use them onyou wep talent untill MS
sweeping strikes is a godsend! use it if your fighting two mobs and for 5 hits youll hit the person next to you, then cleave a few times, a good way to kill multiple mobs. also use thunder clap
sorry for ay spelling mistakes :P
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I'm a level 59 Warrior, I solo 80% of the time and am Fury spec'd. Here's my two-cents:
1) Get better gear - warriors are the most gear dependant of the classes, and to have gear that's over 10 levels lower than your buddy's level just isn't good. He should get gear that gives +stamina, +crit, +strength & that will all help him level. Also tell him to avoid trying to get a set. Unless he PvPs, IMO sets (Scarlet, Imperial) are a waste of time and money. Learned that from experience.
2) Drop the duel wield and go to a 2H weapon, pick mace or axe, whatever he prefers. It'll be slower hits but quicker kills as he'll do more DPS with a 2H'er. Until about level 50, duel wield isn't good for soloing.
3) Carry lots of healing potions and cook food that gives him +stamina buffs. If he doesn't know first aid, learn it and carry 40 bandages at all times.
4) If he's grinding, stay at 1 level below his if it's a magic user. Otherwise he can grind at his level, maybe sometimes 1 up his level. Also try to grind fully rested, and earn more XP doing quests. It's tempting when you see Pally's and Mages grinding 2+ levels above themselves to do the same, but Warriors can't do that. We're not built for that; we don't self-heal or do AoE damage. It's important for him to play his class, not to try to play the way he might see others.
1) Get better gear - warriors are the most gear dependant of the classes, and to have gear that's over 10 levels lower than your buddy's level just isn't good. He should get gear that gives +stamina, +crit, +strength & that will all help him level. Also tell him to avoid trying to get a set. Unless he PvPs, IMO sets (Scarlet, Imperial) are a waste of time and money. Learned that from experience.
2) Drop the duel wield and go to a 2H weapon, pick mace or axe, whatever he prefers. It'll be slower hits but quicker kills as he'll do more DPS with a 2H'er. Until about level 50, duel wield isn't good for soloing.
3) Carry lots of healing potions and cook food that gives him +stamina buffs. If he doesn't know first aid, learn it and carry 40 bandages at all times.
4) If he's grinding, stay at 1 level below his if it's a magic user. Otherwise he can grind at his level, maybe sometimes 1 up his level. Also try to grind fully rested, and earn more XP doing quests. It's tempting when you see Pally's and Mages grinding 2+ levels above themselves to do the same, but Warriors can't do that. We're not built for that; we don't self-heal or do AoE damage. It's important for him to play his class, not to try to play the way he might see others.
Here's my 2c, which is similar to what all the other posters have said.
The common wisdom is that arms = 2 handed weapon, fury = dual wield. With dual wielding, he'll need some +hit or he miss most of his hits. I'm arms specced in all my warrior life so I'm not sure what % hit he needs, but I think it's 5%.
If he decides to stay arms, help him with his class quest that rewards the whirlwind weapon (2H axe, sword or mace). It's a very very very good weapon for a level 35 warrior. Khoo's point is +stamina and +spirit, not what a warrior wants. At his level, concentrate on +strength and +stamina and he won't go wrong. If he wants a third stat, it'll be agility (see next paragraph).
With a 2H weapon, you get rage if you do good damage. A lot of damage from an arms warriors come from critical hits, and that's why the poleaxe specialization is very popular. (It gives +5% critical hit).
Always bring buff food (ie home cooked food) and bandages.
His arms spec is all over the place. Send him the sticky at the top of this forum and recommend him to copy one of the cookie cutter builds. He'll see improve damage with better talent points.
Warriors aren't the best soloer, but they certainly can solo even in AH greens (btw, look for 'of the bear' at his level).
Edited, May 4th 2007 8:36am by LittleHamster
The common wisdom is that arms = 2 handed weapon, fury = dual wield. With dual wielding, he'll need some +hit or he miss most of his hits. I'm arms specced in all my warrior life so I'm not sure what % hit he needs, but I think it's 5%.
If he decides to stay arms, help him with his class quest that rewards the whirlwind weapon (2H axe, sword or mace). It's a very very very good weapon for a level 35 warrior. Khoo's point is +stamina and +spirit, not what a warrior wants. At his level, concentrate on +strength and +stamina and he won't go wrong. If he wants a third stat, it'll be agility (see next paragraph).
With a 2H weapon, you get rage if you do good damage. A lot of damage from an arms warriors come from critical hits, and that's why the poleaxe specialization is very popular. (It gives +5% critical hit).
Always bring buff food (ie home cooked food) and bandages.
His arms spec is all over the place. Send him the sticky at the top of this forum and recommend him to copy one of the cookie cutter builds. He'll see improve damage with better talent points.
Warriors aren't the best soloer, but they certainly can solo even in AH greens (btw, look for 'of the bear' at his level).
Edited, May 4th 2007 8:36am by LittleHamster
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Thanks for all of your posts! This was exactly what I was looking for, you guys rock!
There's a lot of great advice here about techniques and builds so I can't add much more other than to learn to pull. Charging is great for rage generation but knowing when (and how) to pull mobs to you is very important.
As far as soloing around level 34 goes, pretty much any zone geared for levels 30-40 will work for grinding. I have noticed that the quests for this level seem a bit more sparse and widely scattered but Allakhazam is a great resource for tracking down quests in a zone to seek out. My NE Warrior is a few levels above 34 and has been doing quests in Shimmering Flats and Stranglethorn and will probably go to Dustwallow and/or Desolace next. My NE Rogue dinged 40 up in the Alterac Mountains and found Arathi good for questing in the 30s as well so the Arathi/Hillsbrad/Alterac area could be worth looking at.
I can't remember exactly what my Troll Warrior was doing at that level but I know she dinged 40 out in Desolace. I know she also did a lot of Stranglethorn in her 30s and 40s. The Shimmering Flats part of Thousand Needles is great for low 30s so if your friend hasn't hit that area, he should go do it soon because there are a bunch of great grinding quests there.
As far as soloing around level 34 goes, pretty much any zone geared for levels 30-40 will work for grinding. I have noticed that the quests for this level seem a bit more sparse and widely scattered but Allakhazam is a great resource for tracking down quests in a zone to seek out. My NE Warrior is a few levels above 34 and has been doing quests in Shimmering Flats and Stranglethorn and will probably go to Dustwallow and/or Desolace next. My NE Rogue dinged 40 up in the Alterac Mountains and found Arathi good for questing in the 30s as well so the Arathi/Hillsbrad/Alterac area could be worth looking at.
I can't remember exactly what my Troll Warrior was doing at that level but I know she dinged 40 out in Desolace. I know she also did a lot of Stranglethorn in her 30s and 40s. The Shimmering Flats part of Thousand Needles is great for low 30s so if your friend hasn't hit that area, he should go do it soon because there are a bunch of great grinding quests there.
also if he needs a guide to follow (though doing things your own way is beter game experiance) look at this one
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/755
i suggest starting at the beggining even though hes lvl34 because he'll proably have missed lots of quests from the previous chapter and as you miss the exp from them it will eventualy even out from the 3 lvls hes got previously
hope this helps
edited for spelling
Edited, May 4th 2007 9:13pm by Imtar
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/755
i suggest starting at the beggining even though hes lvl34 because he'll proably have missed lots of quests from the previous chapter and as you miss the exp from them it will eventualy even out from the 3 lvls hes got previously
hope this helps
edited for spelling
Edited, May 4th 2007 9:13pm by Imtar
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Great Post for new Warriors, thanks everyone
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i have got 2 word WIRLWIND WEPON
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Above poster has best advice in the thread...get the damn WW axe ASAP. It will be like a whole new game to him when he respecs and gets the WW axe. At level 43, go to the AH and get an executioners cleaver for 25-30g and get back into the good damage.
I have a 40 warrior and have solo'd from level 1 99% of the time. I DW until level 30 then respeced and rearmed to improved slam:
5x cruelty
5x demoralizing
5x commanding presence
5x enrage
2x improved slam
In 1 vs 1 PVE improved slam owns all for a 2 hand weapon with an attack speed of 3.0 or slower. The fifteen rage cost just tears crap apart if you know how/spec into generating rage and just spam this when applicable. Best used immediately after an auto attack. All I do is charge, auto attack, throw up demoralizing and bloodrage if available, then slam away (almost always in battle stance, I only use berserker stance against mages for the pummel and hamstring/intercept combo while pummel is on cooldown). The only thing that changes is waiting for overpower opportunities and the occasional execute when I need to dump the rest of my rage cause I know I need to finally stop and heal.
What I'm really looking forward to is spamming slam until it crits with 5 points flurry...
I leveled very fast from 32-40 in STV questing/grinding, with almost all green gear except a few things I smithed for myself and the WW axe. If the mobs are only 1-2 levels above you and you keep your foes demoralized you can go through 6-8 of them 1 vs 1 easily without stopping at all; I did with average gear.
I have a 40 warrior and have solo'd from level 1 99% of the time. I DW until level 30 then respeced and rearmed to improved slam:
5x cruelty
5x demoralizing
5x commanding presence
5x enrage
2x improved slam
In 1 vs 1 PVE improved slam owns all for a 2 hand weapon with an attack speed of 3.0 or slower. The fifteen rage cost just tears crap apart if you know how/spec into generating rage and just spam this when applicable. Best used immediately after an auto attack. All I do is charge, auto attack, throw up demoralizing and bloodrage if available, then slam away (almost always in battle stance, I only use berserker stance against mages for the pummel and hamstring/intercept combo while pummel is on cooldown). The only thing that changes is waiting for overpower opportunities and the occasional execute when I need to dump the rest of my rage cause I know I need to finally stop and heal.
What I'm really looking forward to is spamming slam until it crits with 5 points flurry...
I leveled very fast from 32-40 in STV questing/grinding, with almost all green gear except a few things I smithed for myself and the WW axe. If the mobs are only 1-2 levels above you and you keep your foes demoralized you can go through 6-8 of them 1 vs 1 easily without stopping at all; I did with average gear.
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