2v2 Arena Strategies vs Pally TeamsFollow

Been running a boatload of arenas 2v2 but having some major issues with any team that has a Pally.

My partners consist of either a warr or resto shammy or another hunter.

Any time we pull a Pally, it is like an automatic loss. Can't kill their partner, they will heal through it or they bubble them.

Can't freeze trap either opponent, they will dispel or bubble out.

Snakes work decent on them, but generally by the time it takes to get to them and lay the trap, one of us is usually dead or close to death.

Stings don't work, traps don't work, DPS doesn't work, kiting doesn't work. Leave arena works but that's out of the question.

If we get the Pally to bubble, we try wrecking its partner but the Pally will heal through the damage (even a mortal striked opponent) all the while we are getting DPSed. We try getting the Pally out of healing LoS, but that is very rare.

On the rare occasion, we can beat a Pally/whatever class team, but I chalk that up to the Pally being riddled with crack.

Are there any recommendations for our team besides get other classes on our team that can CC them?

I'm a BM spec by the way and pretty geared out.

Let's assume you're up against pal and something else - not pal and pal (gawd that'd be a long fight).

Pal will Cleanse (kills one pois, one dis, and one magic effect, right?) if you fr trap the buddy. So don't do that.

If Pal is Fr Trapped, he'll have to use his bubble or risk having his partner killed by 2-1 odds. So he'll bubble out of it. But that's good. Now his bubble is gone.

Can you survive long enough to re-trap the Pal after he burned his bubble to escape first Fr Trap? Now his bubble's in cooldown, and he has no other way to get out of next Fr Trap, right?

If the Pal's partner is a meleer, and if yours is a Sham, have your Sham purge the living foo out of them both. No BoF (or it gets purged when cast) - keep them clipped/frosted/earthbound/concussed - stay out of their melee range, kite, til Fr trap is out of cooldown. Use your Sham to heal your side, too, to survive til Fr Trap is out of cooldown.

If his partner is squishie... could be complex. If a lock is fearing you, mage is sheeping you, could be a problem. You and a sham can silence a caster a short time. You can stun him briefly, mid cast. Anyway, see what you can do to survive this.

Now when you can, fr trap the Pal w/ a second fr trap. I don't think he can click out of Fr Trap, right? Just bubble out or CLeanse others out of it, right? W/ Pal in a fresh trap it's 2-1 on his partner.

If your side is two Hunters, this should be easy, right? Hunter A fr traps. Pal bubs out. Hunter B fr traps Pal. Now kill other guy. Now kill Pal.

If up against two pals... gah... long fight. I'd give up. JK! But ... ugh, what a bummer that'd be. Two pals vs two pals - it's long gray beard time!

EDIT - I tried to be clear where I was not 100% sure how some of these things work. Sorry, I used to know them - sometimes I come in here and start writing thinking I "know" and realize ... gah, I'm assuming and have forgotten the "precise" mechanics of certain wow things. Maybe you can look them up - or a poster w/ a better memory will come help us.





Edited, May 3rd 2007 3:45pm by IponemaGirl

I appreciate the responses.

When I'm paired with the resto shammy, our odds are definitely better due to purge and heals. His survivability helps immensly.

I can get the Pally to bubble in about 3-4 secs when I go Red but he will heal through that. If I switch to his partner, while I'm still red, the Pally still heals through it or bubbles his partner. Then we're back at square one.

If we start out with a DPS dump on the Pally's partner, he will bubble them. That's no good. Although it only lasts what, 6 secs or so, but still, we will have to try and kill the partner again and DPS through the Pally heals.

If I'm with the hunter or with the warrior, one of us is usually close to death by now from(after getting the pally to bubble) the Pally's teammate.

Snakes are our best option if we can withstand the initial bubbles and the Pally hits the snakes for the interrupts. We can then burn down his partner if we get some lucky crits.

We're just having a hard time with Pallies. Just wondering if others are having much luck. Especially with the makeup of our team members.

If I may, this is the flaw in your thinking!

No, you're not back at square one. You're at step 2!

Step one is "get the pal to blow his bubble."

Step two is probably "fight him til he uses LoH!"

So, you're back at square one again?

Wrong!

You're at step 3 - kill the Pal.

You have to grasp this about fighting pals - you must go through these phases to get them dead (or have such burst power your overwhelm them, but you won't see that in 2x2).

You've got to get through their shields (heh, I forgot one, didn't I - just go back and plug in their other shield for me pls) - their LoH - before you can kil them. You have to kill them 2 or 3 times at least just to kill them. Once you get this, then maybe you can plan some strats that will work! GL!

Since I don't really have time to make a longer post about this I'll just post a something that could be useful.

I haven't really had the oppurtunity to do arena on my hunter yet. But I do arena like crazy on my priest. And yeah Pallys are always a huge problem. But one of the biggest things to help out in arena when a pally is involved is immediate mana drain. On my priest, whenever I have a chance I will immediately turn to the pally and pull off a mana burn(which by the way on a priest is 1k for 2-3seconds). So having the better mana drain on a hunter for the shorter time could really benefit. Fr trap the pally and make him use his bubble. Immediately after it wears throw a viper sting on the pally and fr him again immediately. Or even fr first then VS since the sting won't pop the trap and then he can't dispel it. Pally with no mana = a dead pally. Just a small tip to wear out the pally a bit faster.

But like I said already, I really haven't had a chance to play arena on my hunter that much yet, so these are simply tactics combining from my priest to hunter.