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#27 May 01 2007 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't remember if Wrath or Starfire require LOS, but I believe they both do. That is the death of a Moonkin Druid vs. a Good feral who gets the drop.

I've never been good with WoW lingo. Mind telling me what LOS is.


LOS = Line of Sight.

His point being that a smart Feral Druid won't be staying in your face the whole time pounding on you. Now everyone can see their target's cast bar so as soon as that Starfire/Wrath is about to go off we can just try jumping behind you and voilà, casting time wasted and we get a Shred off.

In my opinion, Balance Druid versus Feral Druid isn't something you can just say "Oh, this one will win". It's a matter of circumstances, players skills, gear and luck. I'd say it gotta be some of the most interesting fights, both opponents being able to heal and pull off similar tricks.
#28 May 01 2007 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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In my opinion, Balance Druid versus Feral Druid isn't something you can just say "Oh, this one will win". It's a matter of circumstances, players skills, gear and luck. I'd say it gotta be some of the most interesting fights, both opponents being able to heal and pull off similar tricks.


you win the thread ...
#29 May 01 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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In my opinion, Balance Druid versus Feral Druid isn't something you can just say "Oh, this one will win". It's a matter of circumstances, players skills, gear and luck. I'd say it gotta be some of the most interesting fights, both opponents being able to heal and pull off similar tricks.


I know I know. I never claimed it should be an auto win. But I'm just saying that balance just has more tools to win. Even a warrior vs. druid fight isn't an auto win IMO.

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LOS = Line of Sight.


Oh thanks for the clarification. Personally I dont mind allowing a feral up to close combat. But if it really becomes a hassle then I'd just gain some distance. Which isn't to hard.

#30 May 01 2007 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Setai, you're problem with your strats and what you're doing is that they require the Feral to either A: Be geared like crap (5 shifts? o.O, Str and Agility for PvP?) or B: Not know what they're doing (Why would I be in Bear before your Barkskin?).

The fact is, if I get the drop on you, I've got 3-5 combo points already. It's a guarantee. Considering that I'm sitting on around 6K MP and 8K HP (In my PvP Gear, that's not in bear form, btw) with a 30% Crit Rate, I'll always have combo points. Unlike other Druids you've apparantely fought, My DPS Gear isn't close to the same as my PvP Gear.

Personally I'd be shocked if you got a Starfire off, and I'd slap myself silly if you got a Hibernate to land on me. I need to shift alot less then you think, Really only to get out of Roots, and the more you root the less dps you're doing to me while dots are ticking away at your HP. You could sit around and spam Hibernate, but by the time you ran me outta mp from shifting, I can say with a good certainty that you'd be dead.

This is all hearsay, really. We can theorycraft fights all day long, but Selverein is exactly correct. This is a fight that comes down to player skill. It is a fight that often comes down to whom gets the Opener.

I piped up and picked on you specifically because of the "Bottom point Balance owns Feral" remark. It's garbage. I'm sorry to tell you this, but based on reading the strats you've listed, I can say with surety that you have been fighting garbage Ferals, especially if you think "Balance owns Feral". :P

Edited, May 1st 2007 5:49pm by ItharrAlexander
#31 May 01 2007 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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*Shrugs* Well I give up. Like I said believe what you want to believe. All I'm saying is that boomkin has more abilities to shutdown feral, then feral has to shut down boomkin.

You have displayed faults in my strategies, and I yours. We both choose to ignore them. So there. I hold up the white flag. As if I dont, this forum will never end.
#32 May 01 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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k, setai took the noble road and let up with the inane chatter first. props to you.

as for the rest of yall, im saying this now:

NO MORE "MY SPEC IS BETTER THAN YOUR SPEC" CRAP! THE OP IS PROBABLY A TROLL JUST TRYING TO START sh*t UP, SO PLEAsE DONT BUMP THIS POST ANYMORE! IF YOU DONT LIKE MY CAPS OR WHAT IM SAYING HERE, YOU CAN SUCK MY MASSIVE TAUREN WANG AND TALK TO ME ABOUT IT IN A PM! THIS IS THE DRUID FORUMS, WE ARE ALL DRUIDS, AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WORKING TOGETHER! IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT WHO WILL BEAT WHO, TRANSFER YOUR FUCKING CHARACTERS TO THE PTR BEFORE IT CLOSES AND SPEND A NIGHT KILLING EACH OTHER (AND DONT ***** AND MOAN ABOUT NOT HAVING YOUR MODS/ADDONS/MACROS OR WHAT NOT EITHER!)!

WHY AM I SAYING THIS? BECAUSE I DISLIKE PEOPLE HAVING PISSING CONTESTS ON MY BOARDS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL OF EDUCATING AND HELPING ANY AND ALL DRUIDS WHO MAY HAPPEN ACROSS THIS BOARD!

THE MIGHTY QUOR HAS SPOKEN! TREMBLE IN FEAR MORTALS!!!

Edited, May 1st 2007 3:36pm by Quor
#33 May 01 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
yeah you may think balance is so good but lets see
balance:Transforms the Druid into Moonkin Form. While in this form the armor contribution from items is increased by 400%, attack power is increased by 150% of your level and all party members within 30 yards have their spell critical chance increased by 5%. Melee attacks in this form have a chance on hit to regenerate mana based on attack power. The Moonkin can only cast Balance spells while shapeshifted.(force of nature)Summons 3 treants to attack the enemy target for 30 sec.
feral:Shapeshift into cat form, increasing melee attack power by 40 plus Agility. Also protects the caster from Polymorph effects and allows the use of various cat abilities.
Shapeshift into a dire bear, increasing melee attack power by 120, armor contribution from items by 400%, and Stamina by 25%. Also protects the caster from Polymorph effects and allows the use of various bear abilities
The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects

are you honestly kidding with this topic?a smart feral will be stealthed when a match starts and be behind you.spells can't hit from behind so you lose some health during the time you are turning around.during that time go bear and its all but assured for a feral,charging,frenzied regenration if needed,and healing if things get real bad.this may be the dumbest topic i read.my druid is only lvl 14 and even i can tell that either A. you are making this up or B.you faced some crappy feral druids
and on my warrior i duel moonkin and ferals all the time some of my best friends are druids and feral fight far better.being 8 lvls above my gf at the time she still took out all but 2k of my life sitting at about 8k.moonkin has to waste all thier cooldowns just to get anywhere near that before the 2.5k crits start piling up on you(no thats not execute) and you can't get a heal off from bleeds and the spammings of constant ms and demoralizing maybe a sunder if i need to waste some rage.i wasn't going to say anything about this topic but your cocky a$$ message about feral being stupid and balance owning all kind of pissed me off a bit.
#34 May 01 2007 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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In my opinion, Balance Druid versus Feral Druid isn't something you can just say "Oh, this one will win". It's a matter of circumstances, players skills, gear and luck. I'd say it gotta be some of the most interesting fights, both opponents being able to heal and pull off similar tricks.


1up! :D

I can see the point of veiw from both of these very well spoken players. I can only hope that you can both respect each others point of veiw and keep your winning streaks going! As you both seem to be exellent PvPers to know what and how to take down many other classes. But never fear there will always be those players that suck at PvP.... Like me!
#35 May 01 2007 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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But Quor, /NIN is better than /MNK and... oh crap wrong game. Wrong year, even.

Anyways, same song, different day.

Who cares, everyone who plays druid will probably re-spec at least once, if not multiple times, depending on what new patches bring. One may be Kitty feral today only to be Restokin the next week.
#36 May 01 2007 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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But Quor, /NIN is better than /MNK and... oh crap wrong game. Wrong year, even.


/Drg FTW!!! O.o

#37 May 01 2007 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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little known fact: hibernate is a nature spell. hibernate+ natures swiftness = insta sleep, so no danger of it being cancelled by a bash, feral charge, or the enemy druid shifting to caster.


From tht Druid 101 at the head of the thread index. Cheers!
#38 May 01 2007 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry, Quor but this person right here made me mad...

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are you honestly kidding with this topic?a smart feral will be stealthed when a match starts and be behind you.spells can't hit from behind so you lose some health during the time you are turning around.during that time go bear and its all but assured for a feral,charging,frenzied regenration if needed,and healing if things get real bad.this may be the dumbest topic i read.my druid is only lvl 14 and even i can tell that either A. you are making this up or B.you faced some crappy feral druids
and on my warrior i duel moonkin and ferals all the time some of my best friends are druids and feral fight far better.being 8 lvls above my gf at the time she still took out all but 2k of my life sitting at about 8k.moonkin has to waste all thier cooldowns just to get anywhere near that before the 2.5k crits start piling up on you(no thats not execute) and you can't get a heal off from bleeds and the spammings of constant ms and demoralizing maybe a sunder if i need to waste some rage.i wasn't going to say anything about this topic but your cocky a$$ message about feral being stupid and balance owning all kind of pissed me off a bit.


WTF?!?!?!? You a level 14 is trying to tell me which is better?!?!?! Lol step off man as you have no Idea what your talking about. At least the other people posted facts about their strategies.

Moonkin has to use all their CD's to do 2k damage? Lol we have no CD's excet Barkskin and Hurricane are our only CD's spells your ******. BS is on a 2min CD which is gonna be reduced to 1min after patch. Hurricane is on a 1min CD and who ever uses that in a 1on 1 fight deserves to die.

So stop spitting out worthless nonsence, or do us all a favor and stop posting on these forums. Ignorance is contagious.
#39 May 01 2007 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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Setai please calm down. You ARE a Scholar meaning People have seen you posts as worth-while That guy ONLY has 21 posts TOTAL! You are sitting at what 400? I'm fairly new to actualy posting but I've been reading the forums for a while now.

I've seen you make valid points for and agains many differant things from your veiw point as a balance druid (making me want to try it out at a later lvl). I have no idea who this guy it but I see it as unbecoming of you to rise to his bait. Personaly I belive that this thread, while being informative, has gon on for too long with too much animosity.

However I'm worse off than that guy (with regard relative rank/reputation here)with far fewer posts and soo must be taken with a grain of salt.

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EDIT: Had to add smart @$$ coment :)

Edited, May 1st 2007 9:59pm by Sloniah
#40 May 01 2007 at 6:11 PM Rating: Default
um lvl 14 druid dumbass 67warrior i play with druids all the time i know how it goes.keep thinking you are superior and grow up and barkskin is a cooldown force of nature has a cooldown.learn before you insult someone,it makes you look like an idiot.and big deal how many posts a person might has it has nothing to do with what they may know.i have created this account just to yell at idiots i don't feel the need to post in every topic. and for only getting on the site a few times since making it,i think the world keeps getting dumber.thanks for supporting that idea

Edited, May 1st 2007 10:14pm by Phobealock
#41 May 01 2007 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Phobealock please stop this foolishness it gets us no-where. We are here to share information and experince to make us better players.

So please.... stop.
#42 May 01 2007 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
ok I DONT GET IT he/shes right fearl isent soo good my levle 50 druid isent fearal its balance cuz its soo good u heal more and u got (for got the name) so when ya get hit most of the time your opponet gets rooted. U can soummin elemntal and all fearal gets is a little more damage and more dps










Edited, May 1st 2007 10:35pm by Zezna
#43 May 02 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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zomg nd teh pie wuz baked in teh oven and than firemnas came in my place and tey all wonted a peece of te pie lololo it wuz liek so god then latr tat evning we all sat down arond the fire an we sang song it was so toatly awsome and

Can we get some admin to close this thread, please?

Oh and Quor, have my babies!

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#44 May 02 2007 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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I worry bout you....
#45 May 03 2007 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good
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Nah, I'm fine. Well, almost.
I just felt like going along with the flow of the thread. :P

But yeah, to quote Quor, "We are all Druids, and we should all be working together!" I think that sums it up and I hope the thread will just stop here.

Oh, and grats on the Scholar-ship thingy Sloniah.
#46 May 06 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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"Gaudion" wrote:

I laughed, but honestly... No anything should be 54 after six months. Come on, now.

I hit 50 on my hunter after less than 6 months of play. And I've /played like 4 days of gameplay on her My main (feral druid), however, I've been playing for...9 months and I'm lvl 61. Of course, she has /played over 20 days of gameplay. So.. it's possible lol

But really, I think don't let "bad" class or spec players guide your opinion on a specific class or spec.I think the OP is a kid that needs to possibly grow up. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but basing ANYTHING off of one fight?? Seriously. lol.

Edited, May 6th 2007 11:41am by xoxojessika
#47 May 06 2007 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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AS a 54 balance druid who has been playing for 6 months i really don't see the big deal with feral. sure ill give you higher DPS and survivalbility but if i can beat a 57 assasinaton rogue withought him even touchingm me no way a feral can beat me. and no feral to date has beta me. they have to get clise and in the seconds it takes then to shift from roots starfire lns sometimes critin for 1000+ and stun. tell me your feelings on this :+)


Feral gives more DPS and more survivability, but it's "stupid" (says your signature) and "not a big deal".

Oh, okay. You're an idiot, I get it now.

Also, Setai, I like you, but you're making no sense here. You're way too aggressive against the Feral Druids. We all have a right to be here, whether we're Moonkins or Cats.

I understand if you're in love with your Moonkin, but don't bring the hate on the Feral Druids who are in love with the melee aspect of their class. Nor the Restoration Druids who prefer outlasting over outdamaging.

Also, I've been Restoration when Restoration was cool. I've been Balance when Balance wasn't cool. I've been a Balance/Feral/Restoration hybrid when it was the only goddam build viable for 1-60 questing and PvP.

No build is better than the other. The only thing that matters is the person in front of the monitor. If you all want to fight, set up a deathmatch on the PTR servers. Don't do it here.

Edited, May 6th 2007 9:54pm by Mazra
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#48 May 06 2007 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
Feral - Tanking
Moonkin - Pvp
Rarely you will ever find a balance tanking the instance for you. You know how people want feral druids to be there tank and how ferals are usually untouchable.(As well as balance but wtv) Well people need feral druids because people do instances 24/7 and want a feral druid to tank for them more than anything.. generally. (don't whine warrs its true haha) dont want to tank for you in the body of a naked owl that doesnt fly and needs to drink for every friggin mob
#49 May 06 2007 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
Oh and ferals can pvp just as good HAHA owned. Cooldowns and what not will only prove you to be a cheap player. Example - a pally using LoH. 1 hr cooldown nice. And in pvp the element of surprise is at hand also when players AND mobs can just gank your sorry rear. It's not like natures grasp doesnt have a cooldown. Also the fact you can't have more than 1 entangling roots on 2 different players. So in other words bear form kicks and you have the "extra" dps and "extra" survivability to go along with it. Also when using your treants just be sure the they only last 30 seconds and dont always grab agro. (If you're in a bg a gullible player will attack treants 1st but good luck with finding one now) But then again every build has its ups and downs.
#50 May 07 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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No build is better than the other. The only thing that matters is the person in front of the monitor. If you all want to fight, set up a deathmatch on the PTR servers. Don't do it here.


I love you. :D

It might have to do with the new avatar though... o_o
#51 May 07 2007 at 5:19 AM Rating: Good
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No build is better than the other. The only thing that matters is the person in front of the monitor. If you all want to fight, set up a deathmatch on the PTR servers. Don't do it here.


+1

But seriously can an admin close this?
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