looking for a DPS ORgreat crit buildFollow

thats all im looking for im not a noob as a rouge but im still not used to all the abilities so can some people show some examples of some build that have great crits or DPS in it tyvm :)

If you manage to get 1-2 DPS with that build there's not more than 4 people in the group :/ Nothing's wrong with the build (it's actually fairly solid), just most people don't associate shadowstep with DPS. Burst damage yes, DPS not really... um... unless the mobs have like 6k hp...

Generally, for DPS in groups/raids, you'll be looking at 41 point combat builds or 41/20 combat mutilate. The top DPS builds are generally going to have atleast up to and including DW spec in combat.

Edited, Apr 30th 2007 10:01pm by LordMeridus

ok and weapon wise is daggers a good idea or both swords or dagger in amin and sword in off hand or what im a little confused on what i should do

i made two builds that are similar only thing is that instead of dagger spec i went with duel wield spec

dagger spec http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3053201050501025210510053052000500000000000000000000000000000000000

duel wield spec http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3053201050501025210510053052000050000000000000000000000000000000000



Edited, May 1st 2007 12:42pm by diavir

for groups in instances assasin spec is very good, the Imp. Kidney shot is very helpful. Also when the next patch comes out all rogue will have Imp. Sap meaning we will all be good crowd control in instances. However everyone rants on about mutilate like its the greatest thing since sliced bread but i really don't rate it, for me this is a great build for constant DPS
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3053031040000000000000053550100550100003210510000000000000000000000

if u have the gold give this build a try, at first u will think i am a total moron/noob but i began to notice i was racking up 5 combo points very fast then doing slice and dice getting another 5 very fast and then finishing with eviscrate which now does 21% more dmg. Also u will find u very rarely have no energy, then through blades of fury and adreniline rush every 2 or 3 minutes respectively and when u use either one of those u do rapid damage. If u prefer massive burst dmg this is not for u, but this build is all about defence and constant dmg. Try it out. O and for an interesting experiment see how long it take u to rack up yout first 5 combo points then the 2nd 5 with the build u r in now. Then do the same thing with my build, hopefull mine will win :)

yes plz ignore my above post its the dumbest thing ever. The 2 MAIN WEAKNESSES of combat are it DOESN'T GENERATE combo points quickly at all (as i just found out playing) and it has no opening burst dmg. Constant dmg and good defensive skills are its strength as well as good energy regeneration. I agree with the guy above but i know for a fact that an assasin spec rogue will be laughing his/her head off, with seal fate and mutilate activated with cold blood u get 3 points from one attack after the 1 from CS then throw in an SS or something......now if u were to combine seal fate with initiative well thats 5 combo points in what 2 hits lol.

Just a question, what do you open with as Combat Swords? Garrote until you get Cheap Shot ??

OK, I keep forgetting moves without being in front of my computer.LOL

Premed (2cp) + Cheap Shot (2cp) + Initiative (1cp)= 5 CP on the opener.
That is as fast as it gets.




Edited, May 1st 2007 5:02pm by OKCToolguy

Edited, May 1st 2007 5:02pm by OKCToolguy

Hi I am a PvE orientated Rogue and DPS in Groups / Raids is my main concern.

If you want DPS then give this build a go:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3053001050000000000003203050022050150023212510000000000000000000000

In this build I have taken Imp Sprint and Improved Kick for a number of reasons, one is that in an instance when your frost nova'd, its nice to get back to the target you where DPS'ing. Furthermore, Improved Kick is also nice in PvP land. Many PvE players are farming arena for the weapons alone and these two upgrades are very nice to have.

Many people here seem to complain about the combat tree not being too good for combo point generation, to a certain extent that is true, but a combat sword rogue with a slow main hand and a fast offhand is simply the best sustained DPS a rogue can have in any raid. Fist weapons give a higher crit rate, which in turn gives higher aggro needed more active aggro managment which reduces your effective DPS though wasted energy use and or risk of death. Granted the improved kidney shot can have its merits when clearing trash mobs that are stunnable, however as boss DPS is much more needed than trash DPS (If you NEED more DPS on trash then something is wrong imo) I firmly believe that Combat Swords is still the most viable option for DPS rogues in a PvE environment. I use an offhand 71 dps 1.4 speed sword for greater DPS than my 81 dps 1.8 speed mongoose enchanted dagger due to the increased energy procs from the offhand attacks. Furthermore, the only class I have problems with in a duel are MS warriors & disipline priests' because they are simply insane, If I get one energy proc and an opener I can nuke down any class fast in duels most of the time.

Top tips for raid DPS:

Slice and Dice, if you dont have this up all the time when raiding then your loosing huge amounts of DPS (Reccomend an addon called "Slicer")

When possible always use your finishing moves when you have 5 combo points for teh 25 energy proc, it really helps get your next combo point after you use it.

When PvE raiding try to have at least 8% plus hit rating on your gear, Hit rating > Crit rating. If you miss attacks then you need a few more crits to make up for that lost energy. Also, sustained damage creates less threat than irregular large crits and keeps your Threat per Second at a nice steady rate.

Furthermore, If your sword spec, use swords, if your mace spec, use maces and if your dagger spec use daggers, the combat spec favours Rogues who use the same weapon in both hands considerably.

Also, assuming that everyone in the group is using KTM, dont use your Adrenalin Rush at a time when your very close to tank threat levels, try and keep your cooldowns and trinkets etc for a time when you can use them to the maximum extent without risking over aggroing the tank.

I have 130 days on /played on my rogue, I have tried every spec you can imagine with all types of weapons. I can say with all honesty that Combat Swords is the most effective raid DPS I have ever played.

I used to be a daggers only kinda guy....

To all loyal to dagger people out there, give swords a go, its so much less hassle, much more DPS and especially if your a raid leader as I am or a Class Leader it will let you have more time to watch the raid group to asses player performance.


Edited, May 2nd 2007 12:57am by thriemus

For leveling combat swords is perfect, you can take two mobs at a time with Blade Flurry / Ad rush. However when leveling improved sap is very nice to avoid taking two/three mobs at once. You can also use your evasion more often to take multiple mobs at once for better exp / hour.