mahlerite wrote:
I agree that Creepindeath hasn't yet seen a raid as he won't be #1 or 2 or even 3 in a 10man, esp with dagger sub build and that many greens. But I do disagree that you can't top dps in a raid being sub specced as I have always topped dps in raids ususlly by more than 4%(until yesterday was 19/0/42). And a new rogue in our guild who is dagger sub spec was tops in our 2nd raid grp. If you know the strengths of the spec and gear accordingly you should still be able to out dps any other class when raid buffed. That means over 550 agi and 1800 ap unbuffed, otherwise you'll be looking at 3-4 place in the dps charts which means you aren't helping the raid much. I'm gonna give combat swords a shot tonight and see how I like it, my guess is it's gonna be about 2-3% better.
That's actually a very good point. I was thinking more on the lines of dagger build. A sub based hemo build with the right gear would be much more competative, but still would likely lose out to combat based rogues on sustained fights. As for topping DPS. Right now it really depends on how good (and really how covered with tailoring epics) your casters are. On an average gruul fight I average over 1000dps raid buffed to 2800-2900ap and 31% ish crit (as combat mutilate). We have a shadow priest and a warlock that are just absurd. Pseudo T6 cloth from tailoring does mean you'll be playing catchup a lot - and 1200 shadow damage makes for one scary aff lock :/
OKCToolguy wrote:
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I was in 1-2dps in 10+ man raids as I have not done them yet. (I am relatively new to WoW as Creepin is my 1st toon). I just meant that I have been out DPSing mages and locks (not always) in the instances that I have ran. Which by all the things that I have read, is pretty good. (Correct me if I am wrong)
Being on a relatively low populated server its pretty hard to get the 70 instances done as there doesn't seem to be a lot of toons at that level yet.
So my gear is not the best but when u say "THAT MANY GREENS" I only have 2, 3 if you count the trinket. (Is that a lot ??)
I am open for all constructive criticism on my build as I want to be an asset to any raid/instance that I am in. I enjoy the sub build, but would try other builds if they proved to be THAT much better.
Can you give me a real world estimate of how much DPS better a let's say Mutilate or Combat swords/daggers build is over sub??
I'm sure you're doing fine. Your spec looks good and your gear is, at least, well chosen. You obviously are going to get many upgrades in the future. I would start by picking up
this. You're scryer exhalted, which is great, that means you get the better shoulder enchant. I would also work on getting Cen Exp revered so you can buy the helm encahnt (ap and hit rating). If you are liking daggers, working on rep with keepers of time while farming black morass is a good idea. Not only do you get a very nice MH dagger at exhalted, but BM has some very nice rogue drops: assassination gloves, hourglass of the unraveler, and sunguilded shoulders to name a few. Also, I would recomend enchanting any pair of bracers or gloves that you plan to keep for more than a few days (with 24/26ap). These enchants are very cheap (only a few arcane dust) on most servers, and will definitely boost your AP.
The question is, what do you like to do? The suggestions above are just general things. Most rogues that have been 70 for a while have all those pieces of gear (other than the KoT exhalted dagger), even if they don't wear them anymore. If you're into PvP and PvE, you're probably better off trying to construct a set for both. I personally wouldn't wear the blue GM shoulders for PvE, but they are damn good for PvP. By having a few pieces of gear that you can switch aroud, you can also focus on gemming things differently. IE: for PvP I swap in the blue GM chest/gloves, the epic PvP cloak, assassination shoulders/pants (which have stam/crit gems and stam patches), etc...