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Ok, my guildie and I were arguing earlier today about whether locks are OP (please dont' respond to that, I'm not really interested about whether they are or not), and I told him I could tell him how a class would beat a lock. He picked shadow priest, and I couldn't think of anything other than bubble, heal, fear, and dispel magic is UA isn't on (I know bubble and heal can't be used in shadowform, so I guess my strategy is really bad... which is why I'm asking you :D). He was making alot of dumb comments like saying we can spell lock and seduce (which he obviously didn't know come from two different demons), but he had a point in saying the priest wouldn't be able to do much damage if he was using my strategy... I've never played a shadow priest before, so how would they fight a lock?
You start /dancing and pray they take mercy on you. Especially if they have Nether Protection. Oh god nether protection... *shudder*
I usually DoT them up and pray someone else comes along XD DoT's, Shield, Mind Blast while dispelling his DoT's. Try and fear them and their pet, time silence, keep shield up. Drop shadowform, renew, PoM, flash heal if you can afford to. I usually die about this point, I'm not good against locks >.>
I usually DoT them up and pray someone else comes along XD DoT's, Shield, Mind Blast while dispelling his DoT's. Try and fear them and their pet, time silence, keep shield up. Drop shadowform, renew, PoM, flash heal if you can afford to. I usually die about this point, I'm not good against locks >.>
Well if they have nether protection, they don't have ua, so dispel all you want :)
But yeah, definately silence the lock... I know when I'm silenced I just run away until it ends because it's better than just wanding
But yeah, definately silence the lock... I know when I'm silenced I just run away until it ends because it's better than just wanding
If the lock has NP, you're probably going to be dead before any of them tick for enough damage to count for anything :P Shadowbolt/Soulfire + Immolate + Incinerate + Conflagration Shadowburn hurts like hell.
Wrong one.
http://www.thottbot.com/s30302
30% chance to become immune to shadow on *every single tick.* Against a shadow priest, it'll constantly be up.
http://www.thottbot.com/s30302
30% chance to become immune to shadow on *every single tick.* Against a shadow priest, it'll constantly be up.
Ok, so destro locks are pretty much invincible, but if they don't have NP?
Thanks lsfreak,
Nether Protection (Rank 3)
Dispel Type: None
Mana Cost: 0
Cooldown: 0
Cast Time: Instant
and only 3 talents points ...my my
"the confirmation that Nether Protection does not proc off DoT ticks on PTRs."
hmmm? so maybe it's a bug?
or maybe it can't proc off DoT but can proc from any of Mind Flay's ticks
(as Mind Flay is not a DoT).
If so then when fighting locks all we need to do is stop the Flay's, use only DoTs and Mind Blast.
...the more I think about this talent the less powerful it is.
After being hit with a Shadow or Fire spell, you have a 30% chance to become immune to Shadow and Fire spells for 4 sec.'
After, so the lock takes the fill damage from the first M Blast (with or with out the proc), then if they get lucky they get the proc.
The proc gives them immune to M Blast for 4 sec but M Blast's Cooldown is 5.5 sec.
So the proc saves the lock from DoTs which you don't cast yet and other hits from M Blast which you can't cast yet.
??
If 'Nether Protection' procs from the casting of 'Shadow Word: Pain' then it's only saving the lock from 1 tick of that Dot, as no one is going to M Blast a lock who has NP already going.
If this is how Nether Protection works then it's only a threat to players who are not looking at their targets.
Edited, Apr 28th 2007 4:03am by Maxzzzz
Nether Protection (Rank 3)
Dispel Type: None
Mana Cost: 0
Cooldown: 0
Cast Time: Instant
and only 3 talents points ...my my
"the confirmation that Nether Protection does not proc off DoT ticks on PTRs."
hmmm? so maybe it's a bug?
or maybe it can't proc off DoT but can proc from any of Mind Flay's ticks
(as Mind Flay is not a DoT).
If so then when fighting locks all we need to do is stop the Flay's, use only DoTs and Mind Blast.
...the more I think about this talent the less powerful it is.
After being hit with a Shadow or Fire spell, you have a 30% chance to become immune to Shadow and Fire spells for 4 sec.'
After, so the lock takes the fill damage from the first M Blast (with or with out the proc), then if they get lucky they get the proc.
The proc gives them immune to M Blast for 4 sec but M Blast's Cooldown is 5.5 sec.
So the proc saves the lock from DoTs which you don't cast yet and other hits from M Blast which you can't cast yet.
??
If 'Nether Protection' procs from the casting of 'Shadow Word: Pain' then it's only saving the lock from 1 tick of that Dot, as no one is going to M Blast a lock who has NP already going.
If this is how Nether Protection works then it's only a threat to players who are not looking at their targets.
Edited, Apr 28th 2007 4:03am by Maxzzzz
If i see a Lock i run for it.
For real..
1.Silence
2.SW Pain, Vamp Touch, the other undead race thingy dot.
3.Fear
4.Mind blast
5.i die somehow
For real..
1.Silence
2.SW Pain, Vamp Touch, the other undead race thingy dot.
3.Fear
4.Mind blast
5.i die somehow
I didn't get NP, mostly because I don't pvp much. I could see how it's a very annoying talent for other classes, because I have backlash and soul leech, both which have a 30% chance to proc, and nearly every other shot I take (backlash) or deal (soul leech), they proc. Silence would rule king, that and your shield. Or get lucky and get a lock like me, that focused too much on Mage qualities (intel, crit%, and dmg) sos u can kill them fast. Also, give them a taste of their own medicine with your fear ability. Locks can be very easily defeated, you just need a good understanding of both their abilities, talent spread, and your own class, of course. common sense, really. I have a 67 Des lock, and didn't pick this mainly because it only lasts 4 secs. Maybe I did wrong?
Edited, May 2nd 2007 11:41am by NickNite
Edited, May 2nd 2007 11:41am by NickNite
Anyone who says we can spell lock AND seduce has no right of arguing whether warlocks are Op'd or not. That being said, a shadow priest has to HEAL to beat a lock and DISPEL. If a shadow priest stays in shadow form the entire time they are most likely going to lose. It is the good ones, that dot you up, silence, fear MB, mindflay and then Unshadow form to dispel dots and heal, that have a great chance against a warlock.
Also, tell your friend to find a way for a warlock to beat a feral druid or rogue.
Also, tell your friend to find a way for a warlock to beat a feral druid or rogue.
Agree with above poster, I've been dueling my warlock friend since like lvl 60 (we're both 70 now) and the only times I have come close/beaten him is when I dropped shadowform and started to flasheal/renew myself. If I stayed in shadowform then I simply coudln't heal enough damage with vampiric embrace to even come close to stopping his dots.
Shadowpriest versus lock is one of my favorite matchups, very challenging, and greatly different depending on the lock’s spec and current pet. If they don’t have a Felhunter out, your shield and inner fire and shadow protection all come into play, making for an easier fight. If they do have a felhunter, kite them in the general direction of your rogues. Use your fear as soon as you can so it cools down for later in the fight; ditto for your shield unless they have a Felhunter. A good mana-conserving opening is spamming level 1 shadow word pain until they have full shadow weaving…you might proc a blackout in the process. Dispel their fel/demon armor, be ready to dispel their Shadow ward, and get rid of Corruption whenever you can…but keep your eye on the damage numbers ticking, the lock might be laying level 1 on you just to beat you in the mana conservation department.You’ll only get one Silence in the fight, so save it until they’re casting shadowbolt or immolate or something. I really can’t recommend dropping out of shadowform. Instead, save a Fear for just before the time on their curse of agony is up, then dispel and bandage. Of course, if they use Curse of Tongues, bandaging is that much easier. When your VE cools down, slap it on their pet along with SWP, it’s more healing for you and softens the lock up for the next fight if you lose. Actually, SWP on an imp may well take it out.
By the way, Nether Protection can proc on all the same things Blackout can. The initial application of SWP, MF and DP, the triggering of ToW and shadowguard, etc.
By the way, Nether Protection can proc on all the same things Blackout can. The initial application of SWP, MF and DP, the triggering of ToW and shadowguard, etc.
In all honesty, I do not have that many issues with Locks for the most part, but as an alchemist I am also use to using Pots to their full advantage for my benefit. With that being said:
1. VT them for the first Dot
2. SW: P them for the 2nd
3. VE them for health Regen
4. Mind Blast
5. Now it is alternating a mind blast after every two flays
During this time I will keep up my shield as much as possible. None of the above posts made mention of using VE which I find very odd as it is the lifeline of a shadow priest.
As a Human Priest, throw out your feedback as it does significant damage and mana reduction to a warlock because of all their DoT's... remember feedback lasts for 15 seconds so it runs the course of most of a Lock's DoT's. As a Human I also get Desperate Prayer for a free "greater" heal equivalant. Also, if I get really low on mana, I have the ability to use inner focus once for a free cast.
Okay, to be truthful, I do have more issues than I stated at first... I normally do end up winning but I am at low health and nearly no mana. Thankfully, my shadow wand does about 177 dps on average with shadow weaving at 5 ranks on the target... so every 1.8 seconds I am throwing a wand hit of 350 or more if I get to that point. Bottom line is that if you maintain focus and pay attention you can and should win nearly every battle. At level 65+ all classes become very gear dependant so the better geared toon will win normally 60% of the time... skill is the other 40%. (Rough estimate IMO.)
1. VT them for the first Dot
2. SW: P them for the 2nd
3. VE them for health Regen
4. Mind Blast
5. Now it is alternating a mind blast after every two flays
During this time I will keep up my shield as much as possible. None of the above posts made mention of using VE which I find very odd as it is the lifeline of a shadow priest.
As a Human Priest, throw out your feedback as it does significant damage and mana reduction to a warlock because of all their DoT's... remember feedback lasts for 15 seconds so it runs the course of most of a Lock's DoT's. As a Human I also get Desperate Prayer for a free "greater" heal equivalant. Also, if I get really low on mana, I have the ability to use inner focus once for a free cast.
Okay, to be truthful, I do have more issues than I stated at first... I normally do end up winning but I am at low health and nearly no mana. Thankfully, my shadow wand does about 177 dps on average with shadow weaving at 5 ranks on the target... so every 1.8 seconds I am throwing a wand hit of 350 or more if I get to that point. Bottom line is that if you maintain focus and pay attention you can and should win nearly every battle. At level 65+ all classes become very gear dependant so the better geared toon will win normally 60% of the time... skill is the other 40%. (Rough estimate IMO.)
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When Fighting a good lock who is ready for a shadow priest its all most impossible to win, spell stone and health stone will be the difference every time. nothing sucks worse then to get all 3 of my DOT's (im undead) on a Lock and see them disapear. one strat that i have tried and had work was to put all my dots and VE on the pet, that way he cant dispell the life im draining back, also be willing to drop shadow and cast a renew, after that its a war of attrition will I VE enough life to out last his Dots and put out enough Damage to get through his 10k+ life and a healthstone.
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