I know of many sites that show pet skills etc... There is a pet build/talent calculator link on petopia. Is there any recommended pet skill builds listed somewhere like there are for classes on wow-loot.com?
Thanks,
Kvaternik - 46 Hunter - Quel'Dorei
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 3:59pm by plezaic
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Carrion Bird is the best pet, there is no best pet.
or just use your own brain for god's sake!
or just use your own brain for god's sake!
And this is supposedly a helpful reply?
It's up to you, really. Most pets can have 4 or less skills (excluding cower). If you are non-BM and plan on soloing with this pet, I'd choose claw over bite if you have to make a choice. Be sure to get dash/dive if you can (and if you cant I'd tame another pet).
Remember that while gore does "less" damage than claw, when you factor in the proc, it does way more. So if you want a DPSer, gore would be better for you.
IMO scorpids make the best over-time DPSers, and they can do okay burst damage with claw. They're a little slow to solo with considering it takes time for SP to get up to maximum damage and they dont have bite.
Windserpents make excellent PvP pets, because of their insane burst damage. But they dont have good stats for PvE, unless you're in a raid.
Ravagers are good all-around DPSers. They can get gore, which deals a ton of damage, and are good pets IMO.
Just get almost anything really.
Remember that while gore does "less" damage than claw, when you factor in the proc, it does way more. So if you want a DPSer, gore would be better for you.
IMO scorpids make the best over-time DPSers, and they can do okay burst damage with claw. They're a little slow to solo with considering it takes time for SP to get up to maximum damage and they dont have bite.
Windserpents make excellent PvP pets, because of their insane burst damage. But they dont have good stats for PvE, unless you're in a raid.
Ravagers are good all-around DPSers. They can get gore, which deals a ton of damage, and are good pets IMO.
Just get almost anything really.
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I was using Wolf up till last week. Now I tamed King B Cat in STV. I am pretty much looking for a decent build for PvE soloing for tanking and for off-tanking in instances. Not a big PvP fan right now. I'll copy my current talent lists into talent calculator and post it here. For 4 basic talents I believe I currently have: Dash 2, Growl 5, Bite 6 and Claw 5. I will review when I get home and post/edit.
I was doing Bucaneers quests on Ships outside Booty Bay and was getting beaten up by fireball casters so I maxed out Fire Resistance. I also went with nature resistance on it.
I was doing Bucaneers quests on Ships outside Booty Bay and was getting beaten up by fireball casters so I maxed out Fire Resistance. I also went with nature resistance on it.
Training your Pet is not something that anyone can give you a cookie cutter answer for how to best go about. There are a huge amount of options available, and you haven't even narrowed them down by telling us what type of Pet you have or intend to have and for what purposes.
Check Petopia for the skills your Pet is able to learn. If it can learn more than four "active" skills you need to first decide which to buy and which to skip. Unless you're training a Pet purely for a role as a raiding Hunter's added damage, you'll want to make one of those active skills Growl.
Buy Growl at the top level. It's free.
I'd suggest purchasing the top rank of either Bite or Claw, whichever your Pet can learn. Both skills are not necessary or even a good thing, but if you're BM and have both Bestial Discipline and Go For the Throat at max invested Talents, you can buy both.
If your Pet can learn either Dash or Dive, buy it at the top level.
If your Pet can learn a special ability such as Lightning Breath, Howl, Screech, Gore, etc., buy it at the top level. This is a bit simplistic, but if you've taken the time to tame a Beast which can learn these skills, then using them makes the most sense. Otherwise tame some other Beast. Put another way, there is no Pet which if it's special ability is skipped is such a good Pet as to be a compelling Pet even without that ability. Play to the strengths of the Pet.
Next buy Armor and Health. You probably won't have enough points to maximize both of these. I select Health over Armor because Pet armor is not terribly good at mitigation and does nothing against spells or other special damage. Health resists all forms of damage equally well.
Lastly, purchase resistances. This is actually something you need to determine before you buy your Health/Armor, but many people skip it entirely so it's safe to list it last. Resistances can be tailored to a favorite Instance, such as Fire Resist for MC/BWL, Nature Resist for AQ, etc. It can also be tailored for your play style. If you PvP a lot then some resistance to Nature, Frost, and Shadow will give your Pet a decent spectrum of defense against most snares and fear. If you're just looking to spend your few last points, I'd suggest Nature Resist as a decent option.
Specialization can help. For a long time I had a Bear for raiding, with maximized resistances for the Instances we were running, and a Cat or a Scorpid for PvP, each with different resists and trained unique Pet type abilities such as Scorpid Poison and Dash. I would take them depending on my role. If I was a flag guard I'd take the Scorpid, if I was on offense I'd take the Cat. Then I released the Cat and the Scorpid (and that Scorpid was a beautiful Silithus species, with glittering silver and light blue armor), tamed a Son of Hakar, and used it for PvP and the empty stable spot for training. The game isn't static, you can try lots of things and learn how they work best for you.
Let us know how you've decided to go with training your Pet(s).
Check Petopia for the skills your Pet is able to learn. If it can learn more than four "active" skills you need to first decide which to buy and which to skip. Unless you're training a Pet purely for a role as a raiding Hunter's added damage, you'll want to make one of those active skills Growl.
Buy Growl at the top level. It's free.
I'd suggest purchasing the top rank of either Bite or Claw, whichever your Pet can learn. Both skills are not necessary or even a good thing, but if you're BM and have both Bestial Discipline and Go For the Throat at max invested Talents, you can buy both.
If your Pet can learn either Dash or Dive, buy it at the top level.
If your Pet can learn a special ability such as Lightning Breath, Howl, Screech, Gore, etc., buy it at the top level. This is a bit simplistic, but if you've taken the time to tame a Beast which can learn these skills, then using them makes the most sense. Otherwise tame some other Beast. Put another way, there is no Pet which if it's special ability is skipped is such a good Pet as to be a compelling Pet even without that ability. Play to the strengths of the Pet.
Next buy Armor and Health. You probably won't have enough points to maximize both of these. I select Health over Armor because Pet armor is not terribly good at mitigation and does nothing against spells or other special damage. Health resists all forms of damage equally well.
Lastly, purchase resistances. This is actually something you need to determine before you buy your Health/Armor, but many people skip it entirely so it's safe to list it last. Resistances can be tailored to a favorite Instance, such as Fire Resist for MC/BWL, Nature Resist for AQ, etc. It can also be tailored for your play style. If you PvP a lot then some resistance to Nature, Frost, and Shadow will give your Pet a decent spectrum of defense against most snares and fear. If you're just looking to spend your few last points, I'd suggest Nature Resist as a decent option.
Specialization can help. For a long time I had a Bear for raiding, with maximized resistances for the Instances we were running, and a Cat or a Scorpid for PvP, each with different resists and trained unique Pet type abilities such as Scorpid Poison and Dash. I would take them depending on my role. If I was a flag guard I'd take the Scorpid, if I was on offense I'd take the Cat. Then I released the Cat and the Scorpid (and that Scorpid was a beautiful Silithus species, with glittering silver and light blue armor), tamed a Son of Hakar, and used it for PvP and the empty stable spot for training. The game isn't static, you can try lots of things and learn how they work best for you.
Let us know how you've decided to go with training your Pet(s).
First, King B's passive, Cobra Reflexes, will be trainable to all pets next patch, maybe next week.
It used to be that hunters thought that Bite and Claw worked well together if one had the BM talent to regen focus faster or the MM talent GftT (does same).
Lately hunters have been saying that if you have the focus regen talent to keep Claw going to just go w/ Claw - claw has no cooldown, and as, I believe Theo put it, "Bite takes focus away from Claw" -- anyway there is a school of thought now that one should just go w/ claw or gore, again if one has a focus regen talent. Maybe Theo or Cala or someone will come along and clarify this for me - I'm just going by memory here (and it's fuzzy, sorry).
Note: bite and growl work. You can pve fine w/ Dash, growl and bite or Dash growl and claw.
As to spending pts on fire and nat resist... well, the "general" rule is that pve pets, such as yours, don't need these unless you are raiding a place where such damage is common. Usually pve pets have Gre Sta and maybe Gr AC - lately some hunters have been putting down Gr Ac and saying just go w/ Gr sta - the higher you get, the more points you'll need for pet attacks. A classic pve pet has speed (dash dive or charge), growl of course, and bite or claw - and sometimes a special.
Your wolf would have worked well w/ dash, bite, growl and F howl. A carion bird works great w/ dive, bite, growl and screech OR dive claw grow & scr.
All your pet needs to do is hold agro. Many combos hold agro well. Speed makes grinding go faster. Specials like screech, F howl, charge and stomp (gorillas) help pets hold agro.
Some hutners feel that screech works best for holding agro, not sure if this is a cold, hard "fact," but it is effective. Also, once you get used to your pet having an area attack, you can take on 2 or more at once more easily. You can even multishoot several targets after screech has landed and sometimes not pull agro off your pet (sometimes 2 or more screeches need to have landed).
I know of no site for this. There's no perfect way to set up a pet. All pets work. It's you skills as a hunter that you should really focus on, imho.
Tell us your build.
Just try stuff out. Again, as long as your pet is holding agro, it's doing it's job. There is no uber pet or uber pet combo that makes you kill and pwn head and shoulders over others. Hunter skills (and to some extent gear) do that.
It used to be that hunters thought that Bite and Claw worked well together if one had the BM talent to regen focus faster or the MM talent GftT (does same).
Lately hunters have been saying that if you have the focus regen talent to keep Claw going to just go w/ Claw - claw has no cooldown, and as, I believe Theo put it, "Bite takes focus away from Claw" -- anyway there is a school of thought now that one should just go w/ claw or gore, again if one has a focus regen talent. Maybe Theo or Cala or someone will come along and clarify this for me - I'm just going by memory here (and it's fuzzy, sorry).
Note: bite and growl work. You can pve fine w/ Dash, growl and bite or Dash growl and claw.
As to spending pts on fire and nat resist... well, the "general" rule is that pve pets, such as yours, don't need these unless you are raiding a place where such damage is common. Usually pve pets have Gre Sta and maybe Gr AC - lately some hunters have been putting down Gr Ac and saying just go w/ Gr sta - the higher you get, the more points you'll need for pet attacks. A classic pve pet has speed (dash dive or charge), growl of course, and bite or claw - and sometimes a special.
Your wolf would have worked well w/ dash, bite, growl and F howl. A carion bird works great w/ dive, bite, growl and screech OR dive claw grow & scr.
All your pet needs to do is hold agro. Many combos hold agro well. Speed makes grinding go faster. Specials like screech, F howl, charge and stomp (gorillas) help pets hold agro.
Some hutners feel that screech works best for holding agro, not sure if this is a cold, hard "fact," but it is effective. Also, once you get used to your pet having an area attack, you can take on 2 or more at once more easily. You can even multishoot several targets after screech has landed and sometimes not pull agro off your pet (sometimes 2 or more screeches need to have landed).
I know of no site for this. There's no perfect way to set up a pet. All pets work. It's you skills as a hunter that you should really focus on, imho.
Tell us your build.
Just try stuff out. Again, as long as your pet is holding agro, it's doing it's job. There is no uber pet or uber pet combo that makes you kill and pwn head and shoulders over others. Hunter skills (and to some extent gear) do that.
Thanks for all the great answers. Here is my profile on Allakhazam. You can see talent build there. Profile I am working on BM spec as listed on wow-loot site. I'll post my pet info for both cat and wolf later today. As I mentioned, I am also looking at one of the rotting boars from RFK. So charge would be an option in that case. I understand there is no cookie cutter option available but your answers really help me understand a little bit better what I am doing. Sounds like if I go with Cat I should probably loose Claw and Keep Bite and Dash.
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 12:59pm by plezaic
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 12:59pm by plezaic
The rotting boars have a great look but are way below your level. Are you sure you wanna work that hard to lvl one up to you?
There are lvl 40s boars in ... blasted lands? Where the portal to outlands is. Check petopia.
I wouldn't mess w/ you King B build. If you do you'll have to retrain cobra reflexes. Just turn off bite or claw. You may want to keep claw and not bite. But for now leave it.
Get bestial discipline! Focus regen - you're BM - are you kidding? That's an awesome talent! Your pet will be doing way more cuz it won't run out of focus so often. W/ BD you can leave claw on - bite can be on or off, it's on a cooldown - and amp up his dps!
Don't fret over you pet. Again, as long as he holds agro, he's doing his job. Focus on maxing YOUR SKILLS as a hunter. That will serve you best. When you can kite, when you know how to get away from a rogue or war (even when they've hamstrung u or crip'd u), when you know other stuff - BG's will be fun! Hunters are great and loads of fun in pvp - IF you have the skills. GL!
There are lvl 40s boars in ... blasted lands? Where the portal to outlands is. Check petopia.
I wouldn't mess w/ you King B build. If you do you'll have to retrain cobra reflexes. Just turn off bite or claw. You may want to keep claw and not bite. But for now leave it.
Get bestial discipline! Focus regen - you're BM - are you kidding? That's an awesome talent! Your pet will be doing way more cuz it won't run out of focus so often. W/ BD you can leave claw on - bite can be on or off, it's on a cooldown - and amp up his dps!
Don't fret over you pet. Again, as long as he holds agro, he's doing his job. Focus on maxing YOUR SKILLS as a hunter. That will serve you best. When you can kite, when you know how to get away from a rogue or war (even when they've hamstrung u or crip'd u), when you know other stuff - BG's will be fun! Hunters are great and loads of fun in pvp - IF you have the skills. GL!
ok here it is from Petopia calculator.
King Bangalash tamed
Pet Level: 46
Pet Loyalty: 4
Points Available: 138
Bite - rank 6 (17pts)
Claw - rank 6 (17pts)
Dash - rank 2 (20pts)
Growl - rank 5 (0pts)
Natural Armor - rank 4 (15pts)
Fire Resist - rank 3 (45pts)
Total spent: 114
Points Left: 24
Somehow this calculator is not doing it right since I only have 3 points left. So should I get rid of claw or bite? If I keep bite off, when do you actually want to use it? When soloing I have my dash, growl, bite and claw all on auto. I guess that is wrong way of doing it. In instanes I follow the guideline of the leader. Growl is off most of the time unless I am asked to have it on. That was on my wolf of course, didn't take this one anywhere until he catches up with me and is full loyalty.
King Bangalash tamed
Pet Level: 46
Pet Loyalty: 4
Points Available: 138
Bite - rank 6 (17pts)
Claw - rank 6 (17pts)
Dash - rank 2 (20pts)
Growl - rank 5 (0pts)
Natural Armor - rank 4 (15pts)
Fire Resist - rank 3 (45pts)
Total spent: 114
Points Left: 24
Somehow this calculator is not doing it right since I only have 3 points left. So should I get rid of claw or bite? If I keep bite off, when do you actually want to use it? When soloing I have my dash, growl, bite and claw all on auto. I guess that is wrong way of doing it. In instanes I follow the guideline of the leader. Growl is off most of the time unless I am asked to have it on. That was on my wolf of course, didn't take this one anywhere until he catches up with me and is full loyalty.
plezaic wrote:
ok here it is from Petopia calculator.
King Bangalash tamed
Pet Level: 46
Pet Loyalty: 4
Points Available: 138
Bite - rank 6 (17pts)
Claw - rank 6 (17pts)
Dash - rank 2 (20pts)
Growl - rank 5 (0pts)
Natural Armor - rank 4 (15pts)
Fire Resist - rank 3 (45pts)
Total spent: 114
Points Left: 24
Somehow this calculator is not doing it right since I only have 3 points left.
King Bangalash tamed
Pet Level: 46
Pet Loyalty: 4
Points Available: 138
Bite - rank 6 (17pts)
Claw - rank 6 (17pts)
Dash - rank 2 (20pts)
Growl - rank 5 (0pts)
Natural Armor - rank 4 (15pts)
Fire Resist - rank 3 (45pts)
Total spent: 114
Points Left: 24
Somehow this calculator is not doing it right since I only have 3 points left.
King B has a passive ability (Cobra Reflexes) and it may account for your missing points. I wouldn't know for sure, but it's a hunch.
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great thread..just what i was looking for..finally found it..HOORAY!! thanks guys..
a read in the past a page on wowwiki about what to train your pvp pet at lvl 60.
the example is a cat:
Bite/Claw rank 8
Dash/Prowl rank 3
Arcane res rank 2
Fire res rank 1
Frost res rank 3
Shadow res rank 4
however, i would dump fire res and max shadow and frost, and the rest in arcane. and only keep claw and dash.
the example is a cat:
Bite/Claw rank 8
Dash/Prowl rank 3
Arcane res rank 2
Fire res rank 1
Frost res rank 3
Shadow res rank 4
however, i would dump fire res and max shadow and frost, and the rest in arcane. and only keep claw and dash.
No Armor? No Health? That looks like a pure PvP Pet build to me. Without some extra Health or Armor it won't last long in Instances. It might do ok grinding quests or trade drops, but even so it'll need a lot more downtime and cost you a lot more in mana/bandages keeping it healed up.
I did mentioned it's for a pvp pet! (first sentence)
You did indeed. *blush*
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