Beat down by a rogue 2 levels beneath me. WHY?Follow

Yesterday I was killed 4 times in a row by a rogue 2 levels beneath me. Mainly because he was able to dash around me and I couldnt even hit him. What can I do about this. I know that hamstring will slow him a bit, but even that didnt work. I was 22 the rogue was 20 by the way. Needless to say it was rather humiliating as about ten others just sat and watched and laughed as I was beaten down time and time again.

definitely use the mouse to turn rather than the keys. also, use rend to keep him from restealthing.

post your spec, gear, and strategy.

otherwise we're just guessing.

Trinket out of Kidney,GG.The only that has EVER beaten me in a duel was a rogue Dw Gladiator fist weapons and burned Adrenaline Rush, Evasion , Sprint , Vanish. Rogues are one of my easiest targets. I'm not too sure how they are as fury, but as Arms i'm never afraid to encounter a rogue. (or even two!)One thing you could do is bind an AoE debuff to an easy to access key. And soon as he vanishes, hit that. And like the others said, in PvP never EVER use your W,A,S,D to move around, always use your mouse. If it's a Bs/Muti rogue try to keep your back away from him at all times. Always make sure to debuff.

In a dueling situation, this is mostly what i do. Smack on a shield/board, eat the cheapshot, trinket out of kidney shot, piercing howl , Pvp trinket , equip 2h, berserker stance and intercept. Usually the Rogue doesn't have a single combo point on you, and if he is BS/Muti he mostly has no way of getting any on you just jump around him!Try to save berserker rage(Available when you get Berserker stance at lvl 30)for when he gouges you, and then you are able to break the gouge with it.

Of course this is at higher lvls, and level 22 is nowhere near any certain type of region where you are fit to evaluate how warriors are in Pvp.The whole scenario changes when you get berserker stance. IMHO, watch warrior Pvp videos :)

Edited, Apr 21st 2007 11:14pm by mechpriest

I have no idea what he had as everything happened so fast. lol. I beleive I was duel weilding at the time. As far as hamstring and rend, that is usually the first thing I do, but as I didnt even get charge in..no rage..didn't even get a chance to use either.lol. Oh and I NEVER use keys to turn, I ALWAYS use the mouse. But as I have onlybeen playing for about 2 months now I guess I just need to practice.

And what does "ftw" stand for?

Rogues are certainly not as low as on the warriors food chain as you would believe. Sometimes it depends on oppurtunity and skill.

In a fight where skill/geared warrior versus skilled/geared rogue occurs, it all depends on how your actions and counter actions worked agianst the rogues actions and counter actions.

Dont feel proud that a rogue uses all his cd's on you. If your dead our job is done...this time. If you still won after the cd's congrats but be careful next time as well, ego is nice and all on forums but in pvp your ego translates into easy honor points for us. All rogues either have a itchy CD finger [we have a lot of them] or dont use them at all for some reason. Very few exceptions to this case.

We rogues tend to fear the fact that you guys can break our stuns and actually become stronger thanks to it. [if i remember right]

But dont be fooled by the E-***** talk, people naturally boast. rogues are very capable of beating warriors as are the warriors at beating us.

What matters is your spec versus the rogues spec, your tactics versus his tactics.

keep us infront of you, keep us bleeded and learn how to counter our moves by dueling with your rogue buddies.

Remember if you engage a rogue head on, we're likely to lose.

Arms is harder for us to beat than the others. Though if your choosing arms just becuase of rogues your a fool.

One thing, you can only ever compare classes at their highest levels, everything below is so debateble you warriors might as well take on the role of the main healer for all the good either will do.

The best thing to do if your surprised is react fast and know how to react or all the stun breakers in the world [of wa...actually nevermind]wont help you.

Experience and skill are the only way to beat anyone in this game. If you have more than the other person your gonna win. FULL STOP.

Actually you are. Rogues are the class we fear the least.



Arms is basically our pvp tree so the two are one in the same.

If you ever decide to pop Evasion when fighting a warrior, be prepared to eat a lot of Overpower crits, and Bleeding Wounds, which will prevent you from restealthing.

Evasion = VERY BAD when fighting a warrior

Not to say that I know alot about playing a rogue but I'd rather eat an overpower every 6 seconds than eat a MS, or an execute. Not to mention the white hits of a good two-hander.

Don't feel too bad about losing to a rogue at lower levels. When I was in my teens and 20's I hated them with a passion. As my level grew and new talents became available they got easier and easier. I'm now lvl 65 and have taken down lvl 70 rogues even when they get the jump on me. Spec Arms tree, get the Imp Overpower, get a high damage 2h weapon, I use a 2h Axe with Polearm/Axe specialization and by the time you hit your 40's and add MS to your ******* you'll be doing fine against rogues.

Until then, get a 2h weapon, HS them, Rend them, keep them off your back and wait for them to dodge (which they will) and then eat them alive with overpowers. If they stealth, Dem Shout or TC to find em, Rinse and repeat :)

Huh? Last time I checked, engaging in PvP didn't magically give warriors full rage bars.

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1st, your gonna basically guarantee a warrior that he can use overpower on you every overpower cooldown for the duration of evasion. As opposed to just 25% of the time. Overpower is more rage efficient and preferred for crit values. I never have enough rage and GCD time to use MS, whirlwind, and overpower on rogues. Usually the use of evasion is a reaction to low health, not preemptive damage prevention from warriors. And a few overpowers at low health is death to a rogue (easily 2-4k damage from 2 overpower crits and deep wounds).

2nd, I get hit much much harder in pve than in pvp. Ever tanked a raid boss? Yes you get a lot of rage from damage in pvp, but it's not nearly what you would think it is. Rage gain = (2.5 (damage taken)) / 274.7. So, if I take a 2k crit from a rogue/mage/mswar, that's 18.xxxxx rage. I have 9.3k hp in my dps pvp gear/spec. I will generate 84 rage from damage before I die. I will generate more rage from white damage than from damage taken. The dev's and crew of blizz are still playing around with the formulas that are revolving around rage generation from white damage. And at this time, pre 2.1 patch. Rage gained from dealing damage = ((damage dealt) / (274.7 @ 70) * 7.5 + (weapon speed * factor))/2.

factor = Main Hand Normal Hit 3.5
Main Hand Critical Hit 7.0
Off Hand Normal Hit 1.75
Off Hand Critical Hit 3.5

So if I deal 9.3K damage from normal hits at 3.5 speed. Is about 133 rage (+- 1-2) from damage dealt.

Endless rage ~~ 166 rage from damage dealt.

Second wind alone is probably the best rage gen when a rogue (foolishly) decides to try and stun lock a warrior. ZOMGA PLATE vs PHYSICAL DAMAGE!

Edited, Apr 27th 2007 11:21am by devioususer