im currently survival spec 0/21/30
i love the agility add.
im at 518 agi with the survival build.
lots of people like the marks spec, over the survival. is there something im missing?
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survival spec 21/30 as well.
i just finished trying a 0/31/20 build but i didn't like it as much. nice agility there by the way - a lot higher than mine (now at 464 with my lightning reflexes back).
marks... i dunno, apparently does more damage. trueshot aura could be utilised better in a dps group. maybe. i found it wasn't in the raids i was in so that removed the one benefit i could see. i reckon damage is about comparable. i have slightly more RAP with survival build. so it's then barrage vs. killer instinct. i'll be doing a bit less damage (and probably pulling aggro more) with this build. but counterattack, and more health. i can live with that.
i just finished trying a 0/31/20 build but i didn't like it as much. nice agility there by the way - a lot higher than mine (now at 464 with my lightning reflexes back).
marks... i dunno, apparently does more damage. trueshot aura could be utilised better in a dps group. maybe. i found it wasn't in the raids i was in so that removed the one benefit i could see. i reckon damage is about comparable. i have slightly more RAP with survival build. so it's then barrage vs. killer instinct. i'll be doing a bit less damage (and probably pulling aggro more) with this build. but counterattack, and more health. i can live with that.
Just changed over from MM to survival. I enjoy getting people out of my face via a melee shot or two, and this build helps with that.
Damage is about the same, but chance to crit went a lot higher.
I'm still in blues so the agility bonus was nice.
Damage is about the same, but chance to crit went a lot higher.
I'm still in blues so the agility bonus was nice.
Going for 0/21/30 pvp for the win. No way I would go BM (no offence to those who love it). I just hate pokemon build.
Beast Mastery build for the win, Fellas! Nothing more impressive than turning your pet into a raving monster during a nasty fight when Bestial Wrath kicks in.
evandah wrote:
Going for 0/21/30 pvp for the win. No way I would go BM (no offence to those who love it). I just hate pokemon build.
Lmao
You don't have a clue what BM is like, do you?
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im currently survival spec 0/21/30
i love the agility add.
im at 518 agi with the survival build.
lots of people like the marks spec, over the survival. is there something im missing?
i love the agility add.
im at 518 agi with the survival build.
lots of people like the marks spec, over the survival. is there something im missing?
you have alot of agility and really good blue items.
i'm surprised you put a 15 agi enchant on those gloves, it's rather pricey isnt it?
anyway, i'm survial specced too. why? it's as good as marks (even for damage, i seem to do better than the marks hunters), but most importantly it's not a 5/31/15 build that friggin everyone has in my guild. plus i get to scream out "MELLE HUNTAR!" alot.
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I'm going to go with a 20/31 build. I know it's a bit odd. But my playstlye in BG's is one that if i can get wyvern sting off i can take out some other players and then take out the one that got stung. I know scattershot is better for PVP due to dead zone issues. But when i hit AV i don't plan on having as many close 1 on 1 encounters with people. Also as a NE I can stealth and generally ambush people even now in WSG.
Maybe i'm wrong with my thinking as i haven't hit 60 yet. But i've yet to respec him once so i figure by the time i get there i'll be ready if i feel wyvern sting isn't worth it. But it just seems like such a nice ability to take out those pesky healers who like to keep people alive. Plus if you have a rogue sap a couple of them and use W.Sting on another you can really work down 3 people to just singles if it's done right. Atleast in theory.
Any idea's? Anyone with W.Sting or used it that thinks it's totally useless?
This is the build i was thinking. Is it a really bad one or does it just look good on paper. Or is it decent for PVP even though not combat for dead zone issues?
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?VZxqohxZci0iMhht
Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 11:05am EDT by VallenDarkstar
Maybe i'm wrong with my thinking as i haven't hit 60 yet. But i've yet to respec him once so i figure by the time i get there i'll be ready if i feel wyvern sting isn't worth it. But it just seems like such a nice ability to take out those pesky healers who like to keep people alive. Plus if you have a rogue sap a couple of them and use W.Sting on another you can really work down 3 people to just singles if it's done right. Atleast in theory.
Any idea's? Anyone with W.Sting or used it that thinks it's totally useless?
This is the build i was thinking. Is it a really bad one or does it just look good on paper. Or is it decent for PVP even though not combat for dead zone issues?
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?VZxqohxZci0iMhht
Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 11:05am EDT by VallenDarkstar
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?VZVVkhtZIx0qohux
I was BM till 59, then wanted to switch for a change. Although I read that MM was higher for personal damage, I wanted to try SV. I also decided to start PvPing at 60, and the SV helps there too.
Comments on my SV talents (the MM stuff is cookie cutter):
Deflection - it's nicer to parry than to get pummeled
Survivalist - good for those times the 5% extra parry didn't kick in
Deterrence - it's fun listening to the dodge and parry sounds go crazy when this is active
Surefooted - I hated missing as much as I did in the 60 instances. I dropped 3 points from Clever Traps / Trap Mastery to pick this up. I'll regain my improved traps after I pick up some +hit% gear (rogue got the Tarnished Ring in DM Trib last night, but I got my Ogre Hauberk).
Killer Instinct - fun times
Counterattack - very useful in PvP and PvE
Lightning Reflexes - Aside from the RAP, crit, dodge, and armor, there's just something satisfying about having a stat in the 400-500 range without epic gear.
A question: I like scattershot a great deal, but what do you guys feel about wyvern sting? It sounds fairly nifty too.
I was BM till 59, then wanted to switch for a change. Although I read that MM was higher for personal damage, I wanted to try SV. I also decided to start PvPing at 60, and the SV helps there too.
Comments on my SV talents (the MM stuff is cookie cutter):
Deflection - it's nicer to parry than to get pummeled
Survivalist - good for those times the 5% extra parry didn't kick in
Deterrence - it's fun listening to the dodge and parry sounds go crazy when this is active
Surefooted - I hated missing as much as I did in the 60 instances. I dropped 3 points from Clever Traps / Trap Mastery to pick this up. I'll regain my improved traps after I pick up some +hit% gear (rogue got the Tarnished Ring in DM Trib last night, but I got my Ogre Hauberk).
Killer Instinct - fun times
Counterattack - very useful in PvP and PvE
Lightning Reflexes - Aside from the RAP, crit, dodge, and armor, there's just something satisfying about having a stat in the 400-500 range without epic gear.
A question: I like scattershot a great deal, but what do you guys feel about wyvern sting? It sounds fairly nifty too.
31 BM 20 marks.
I won't change this until we are further along in MC.
I love this build, my pet can basically solo a caster while i fight someone else in terms of PvP and for PvE fighting multiple mobs at once is a cake walk.
I enjoy having the strong pet at my side, he's my partner and when properly controlled we're unstoppable.
Once i get more into MC I will go 31 marks 20 Survival since I won't be relying on pet as much for damage and I'd rather be more useful on the raid.
But for now, I can tank most add's in instances up to UBRS and I am well known for being able to quickly pull mobs off squishies when the need arises and then take them head on.
I won't change this until we are further along in MC.
I love this build, my pet can basically solo a caster while i fight someone else in terms of PvP and for PvE fighting multiple mobs at once is a cake walk.
I enjoy having the strong pet at my side, he's my partner and when properly controlled we're unstoppable.
Once i get more into MC I will go 31 marks 20 Survival since I won't be relying on pet as much for damage and I'd rather be more useful on the raid.
But for now, I can tank most add's in instances up to UBRS and I am well known for being able to quickly pull mobs off squishies when the need arises and then take them head on.
Another survivalist here. I've noticed that 0/21/30 is rapidly become the cliche build for hunters, however I've been a survival hunter since before the talent review.
Survival is not something you should spec simply for damage. It certainly keeps up, especially with good agility, but it is not as good as marks for damage. I am specced survival for the alternate utility I get from the extra 15 survival points I have over a marks build. I like putting myself in harm's way ahead of anyone but a warrior, and sometimes end up tanking things on raid pulls until someone comes over to grab it, so extra agi, 10% health, etc. are very nice.
Survival is not something you should spec simply for damage. It certainly keeps up, especially with good agility, but it is not as good as marks for damage. I am specced survival for the alternate utility I get from the extra 15 survival points I have over a marks build. I like putting myself in harm's way ahead of anyone but a warrior, and sometimes end up tanking things on raid pulls until someone comes over to grab it, so extra agi, 10% health, etc. are very nice.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
"Any idea's? Anyone with W.Sting or used it that thinks it's totally useless?"
I respec'd to get Wyvern sting and found it pretty useless. You have to be out of combat to use it and so does your target (that doesn't happen often in PVP). The cooldown is a bit on the long side, and doing PVP without scattershot for me would be suicide.
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
I respec'd to get Wyvern sting and found it pretty useless. You have to be out of combat to use it and so does your target (that doesn't happen often in PVP). The cooldown is a bit on the long side, and doing PVP without scattershot for me would be suicide.
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
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I respec'd to get Wyvern sting and found it pretty useless. You have to be out of combat to use it and so does your target (that doesn't happen often in PVP). The cooldown is a bit on the long side, and doing PVP without scattershot for me would be suicide.
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
Thank you, i didn't know that they had to be out of combat as well. I thought it was just similar to laying a trap. If W. Sting isn't all that great i think i'll grab scatter shot then, and be a 21/30. Though i may play around a bit and see what i can do with some other builds.
Thanks again for the info. :)
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Is a BM build a nice PVP build also? It seems that with frenzy etc it would just chew through a caster. Especially if i had BT as a pet. When he frenzied he'd get in 25 hits in that 18 seconds with a chance to frenzy again. Then suddenly my pet is a force to be feared. But should i do a 31/20/0 or a 31/0/20 or some other mixture.
I don't know any BM hunters most i know have the 0/21/30 build.
Here is what i was thinking for some builds.
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?mV0Gzgxktxqohx
or
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?VV0GzgxktZci0iMo
Though i favor the first one. The problem i'm having with the second is that at range i'm not as potent as i would be. I really enjoy sitting back and just picking people off with my bow. But i can't stand that my pet seems kinda wimpy.
I know people always say play what you like but, 00i want a 31/31/31 lol why can't i have that damn it? I know when the new expansion comes out the possiblity to have 31/30 or 30/31 etc etc etc will exist, which to me will only make things harder to choose. I really like the idea of the agility bonus though i don't much care about the trap bonus's. SO basically i'm having some issues on a good build. I'm thinking i'll just have to play around with them a bit and figure out what i like best. Damn hunters being so versitile. Though i'm thinking when i start up my druid i'm going to have the same problems.
I don't know any BM hunters most i know have the 0/21/30 build.
Here is what i was thinking for some builds.
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?mV0Gzgxktxqohx
or
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?VV0GzgxktZci0iMo
Though i favor the first one. The problem i'm having with the second is that at range i'm not as potent as i would be. I really enjoy sitting back and just picking people off with my bow. But i can't stand that my pet seems kinda wimpy.
I know people always say play what you like but, 00i want a 31/31/31 lol why can't i have that damn it? I know when the new expansion comes out the possiblity to have 31/30 or 30/31 etc etc etc will exist, which to me will only make things harder to choose. I really like the idea of the agility bonus though i don't much care about the trap bonus's. SO basically i'm having some issues on a good build. I'm thinking i'll just have to play around with them a bit and figure out what i like best. Damn hunters being so versitile. Though i'm thinking when i start up my druid i'm going to have the same problems.
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Another survivalist here. I've noticed that 0/21/30 is rapidly become the cliche build for hunters, however I've been a survival hunter since before the talent review.
QFT.
I used a weird combo of MM/Survival before the talent change (I think it was 27/24). I do love the survival tree right now, but as Az said, it is definately becoming a mainstream build. I have a feeling the new talents in BC will probably rapidly reduce the number of survival hunters out there.
I use 0/21/30 for general utility. I pvp a fair amount, which may be why I find survival better, although I am primarily specced for dps. I'm not an agilty ***** (more out of force than choice) due to lame drop rates on agility items *grumbles about dragonstalker's helm*, and I have a few attack power rather than agility pieces of equipment.
I would consider using beast mastery if I were a more solo or pvp based hunter rather than raiding, indeed, a high warlord friend of mine uses a 31/5/15 build which is devastating in pvp.
VallenDarkstar wrote:
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I respec'd to get Wyvern sting and found it pretty useless. You have to be out of combat to use it and so does your target (that doesn't happen often in PVP). The cooldown is a bit on the long side, and doing PVP without scattershot for me would be suicide.
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
I suppose Wyvern sting could be useful in the 5-10 man instances for crowd control, but I think your better off going survivalist and getting improved traps, then pulling a mob into an ice trap as other party members begin their own crowd control methods (sap/sheep/sleep, etc).
Just my two cents.....
Thank you, i didn't know that they had to be out of combat as well. I thought it was just similar to laying a trap. If W. Sting isn't all that great i think i'll grab scatter shot then, and be a 21/30. Though i may play around a bit and see what i can do with some other builds.
Thanks again for the info. :)
I agree. Scattershot seems much more useful than wyvern sting. Even if you are in AV .. the other side will end up in your face just to stop you.
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high warlord
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31/5/15
decent!
I'm still fairly low (level 28) but I'm specced for BM at the moment. Once that is filled I intend to grab some talents from the MM tree.
I know a lot of people say that BM is near useless for endgame raids and instances, which is all well and fine, but it's such an exciting build. It's already great to have your beast companion by your side... But to turn them into a living freight-train badass is fantastic.
If I spend some time at level 60 and find that BM really isn't doing me any good then I'll probably switch my focus to Survival instead, with MM still as my secondary.
If BM still gives me a lot of fun use (even if just outside raids) then I'll probably keep it. I'll play with whatever works for me really.
I know a lot of people say that BM is near useless for endgame raids and instances, which is all well and fine, but it's such an exciting build. It's already great to have your beast companion by your side... But to turn them into a living freight-train badass is fantastic.
If I spend some time at level 60 and find that BM really isn't doing me any good then I'll probably switch my focus to Survival instead, with MM still as my secondary.
If BM still gives me a lot of fun use (even if just outside raids) then I'll probably keep it. I'll play with whatever works for me really.
bravo!
i have honestly found that beast mastery is the most fun, but i have tried it in ZG and it just wasnt happening.
i have honestly found that beast mastery is the most fun, but i have tried it in ZG and it just wasnt happening.
0/21/30 here too... It's a nice balanced build that lets me do well in any kind of situation, but I still love the 31/20/0 ^^ The only reason I respecced was because it was holding me back in raiding, but if I ever stop raiding for any reason I'd definately go back to it
31/20/0 in raid epics = PvP Death Machine
edit, for accuracy~ rereading your posts FTW
Edited, Jun 25th 2006 at 2:30pm EDT by SirJac
31/20/0 in raid epics = PvP Death Machine
edit, for accuracy~ rereading your posts FTW
Edited, Jun 25th 2006 at 2:30pm EDT by SirJac
laserstein wrote:
bravo!
i have honestly found that beast mastery is the most fun, but i have tried it in ZG and it just wasnt happening.
i have honestly found that beast mastery is the most fun, but i have tried it in ZG and it just wasnt happening.
I still had a lot of fun in ZG with BM. It was only MC that was a chore.
kind of tricky to get your pet to run through the poison in the hakkar fight sometimes, especially if you are pulling the sons.
My first huntress was pure MM for ranged damage and nothing else, but I was a little ignorant then.
My second (main) huntress grew up as Beast Spec (best for leveling).
I want to be a Wyvern sting survivalist (0/20/31) just to try it out if nothing else, but, well long story short, a lot of my best blue gear (Black DS set) is +AP instead of +agi, so I really wouldn't get much use out of lightning reflexes at the moment.
My current spec is 13/31/7...because I just couldn't bear to see my pet lose his extra stamina, armor and damage (+imp revive pet), and I am in love with savage strikes...and all the damage bonuses that come with MM. Also, with TS Aura, Savage strikes, and my +AP gear, I can run by and raptor crit for over 1000 with my ice barbed spear...which is decent for a modestly equipped casual player that doesn't do a lot of raids.
--Nibbs
My second (main) huntress grew up as Beast Spec (best for leveling).
I want to be a Wyvern sting survivalist (0/20/31) just to try it out if nothing else, but, well long story short, a lot of my best blue gear (Black DS set) is +AP instead of +agi, so I really wouldn't get much use out of lightning reflexes at the moment.
My current spec is 13/31/7...because I just couldn't bear to see my pet lose his extra stamina, armor and damage (+imp revive pet), and I am in love with savage strikes...and all the damage bonuses that come with MM. Also, with TS Aura, Savage strikes, and my +AP gear, I can run by and raptor crit for over 1000 with my ice barbed spear...which is decent for a modestly equipped casual player that doesn't do a lot of raids.
--Nibbs
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plus i get to scream out "MELLE HUNTAR!" alot.
lol awesome.
a guildie of mine had savage strikes. i interrogated him for some time to try to figure out why. poor guy.
hi
i am currently 21 beast and 30 marksman.
mainly cause i solo 99.5% of the time(never raid) due to my times available to play.
if there is a better solo build i would truly be interested in knowing what it is.
thanks
i am currently 21 beast and 30 marksman.
mainly cause i solo 99.5% of the time(never raid) due to my times available to play.
if there is a better solo build i would truly be interested in knowing what it is.
thanks
oh, and i've tried a number of builds, one of them being a 5/14/32 survival wyvern sting build. there is a thread around here on it - i probably had 'wyvern sting' in the title, if you can find it.
in short, it's not useless. i did try it some in AB and WSG, and it was handy. however in the end, i found the duration far too short - in the end you'd likely be able to use scatter for the same purpose (and more). in raids, i think the effect gets mistaken for a druid hibernate and when it breaks quickly, people aren't as prepared.
by all means try it out though :) experimentation is a good thing - it might match your play a lot better than it did mine.
in short, it's not useless. i did try it some in AB and WSG, and it was handy. however in the end, i found the duration far too short - in the end you'd likely be able to use scatter for the same purpose (and more). in raids, i think the effect gets mistaken for a druid hibernate and when it breaks quickly, people aren't as prepared.
by all means try it out though :) experimentation is a good thing - it might match your play a lot better than it did mine.
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