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#1 Apr 30 2005 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
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ok i feel seriously underpowered for a lvl27 hunter. i get owned by critters of equal lvl. i'm constantly switching between my 2h axe which has mad dmg but hellishly slow spd, and dual weilding an axe and a sword which has the speed, but absolutely no dmg. their all green which i bought or looted, highest dmg, lowest spd for my lvl. but still no dmg.

and yes i know hunters arnt melee dmg dealers, we rely on the bow or gun. but sometimes the need arises, usually in a dungeon or instance in my case, to beat the **** out of a mob toe to toe.

so ya, any suggestions on weapon classes, talent point distribution, or weapons to look out for will be greatly appreciated. and if your on doomhammer i'll find some way to repay you
#2 Apr 30 2005 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
Well personally I stuck with daggers. Having the ability to duel wield is nice....However They are my secondary weapon. I rely on my bow for the most damage, and I'm at level 32 & im tackliing elites that are one level above me and regular critters that are 2-3 above me with little trouble
#3 Apr 30 2005 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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daggers eh, always thought they were a tad underpowered, good speed tho.
#4 May 01 2005 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
Go for 2h weapons or duel weild a combination of axe and sword. If I could find a main hand weapon with good agility stats I'd probably go duel weild all the time but as it is there are not many.
#5 May 01 2005 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
well u r a hunter and ur ranged weapon is ur best friend. if u go with melee u'll loose most of the time. Also use ur traps to buy u time to get way from the enemy and allow u to shoot. don't let the opponent get near u.Also u gotta learn how to play ur class. Do the above and i'm sure u won't feel that underpowered anymore.
ohh yeah and ur pet. Ur pet is 25%+ of ur attack power

Edited, Sun May 1 19:28:40 2005 by Adriank
#6 May 02 2005 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
Ive been using all diferent kinds of weapons...while the dual wield has the speed and maybe the damage, all those misses are gonna hurt. So stick to two handed weapons, staves and swords. I kill monsters 5+ levels above me like this and using my pet. Finally the bow is very important, the more damage you can deal out before he gets to you the better.


Someone wrote about dual daggers, they have speed but cant deal enough damage to take down any monster.
#7 May 02 2005 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone wrote about dual daggers, they have speed but cant deal enough damage to take down any monster.


Realy in a few mins i found a few daggers that could realy do the trick for a 27 hunter Remember Dammage is Not important, DPS is
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=4454
and or
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=776
The second one is much more difficult to get, but killing the vulture for the first one isnt so bad.
#8 May 02 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Ur pet is 25%+ of ur attack power



what do you mean,i thought pet types come with different number
#9 May 02 2005 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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i would gladly give up my sword, both 1h axes and the 2hander for thos two daggers, lolunfortunatly i'm too poor for them. my highest take so far is about 5g.

i have the best bow i can find and make sure to use my pet as a tank. but even then, when my pets swarmed i draw aggro from it and go melee. where i usually get owned. one of you said swords, a 2her sounds good about now.
#10 May 02 2005 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is my setup at 26 (now 27, havent updated it yet)
[link=http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?71885

The two axes make for very nice damage. You'll notice that both have +Str on them. I also carry a 2-H axe with +Agi for when I use my bow. I have no trouble taking down an Elder Ashenvale Bear completely solo, no pet, no bow just pure melee. Yuo have to be careful with 1-H axes tho, in oreder to use it in your off hand it has to say "one handed". Some of them are "Main hand" only. I wasted 1.5 G on that mistake. Oh well, just make sure one is "Main hand" and one is "One hand". Good luck and happy hunting.

Edited, Mon May 2 20:01:06 2005 by Balagos
#11 May 02 2005 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
Also, do you have your pet trained in the highest lvl of growl available? at 20, it should be lvl 3 (correct me if im wrong). Growl should be on auto cast as well ( i think it is by default). Having the highest lvl growl will help your pet keep the aggro, so that hopefully youll not have to go melee too often. And im not sure at what lvl it becomes available, but disengage is a must have as well, it reduces threat, and lets you back away into ranged distance.
Phew, what a ramble.. hope it was useful.
#12 May 04 2005 at 1:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Realy in a few mins i found a few daggers that could realy do the trick for a 27 hunter Remember Dammage is Not important, DPS is
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=4454


Thanks for this link. I had no idea there was a named vulture in Westfall. I went home for lunch and took my level 23 hunter out there. I made a quick run through the zone and didn’t see him up. So I went to the Dead Acre and started killing the level 17/18 vultures. And sure enough this guy spawned. He’s a level 26 rare spawn, he had the silver dragon around his name instead of the gold elite one. Patches and I took him out without any trouble. And he dropped the dagger.

He’s a huge vulture and he’s blue. I wonder if he can be tamed. He’d shrink of course, but his coloring would still be unique.
#13 May 04 2005 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
my main is a lvl28 troll hunter, and personally i find polearms to be my weapon of choice. if you search about you'll find that most polearms give a stat boost in AGI; which is probably the most important stat for hunters. secondly polearms are really cool looking! they cost the most of all weapons to learn, but if you look for screenshots of hunters with polearms they look sooo cool. i just cant get over the fact of how cool they look! also, they're pretty powerful compared to other weapons of the same required lvl. i know they're two-handed and that hunters are usually better with two one-handed weapons because of the AGI boost, but polearms have this boost too. so in my oppinion i think polearms are the best weapon for a hunter
#14 May 04 2005 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
Must say at L49 I am using a pole arm,
Stoneraven
Binds when equipped
Two-Hand Polearm
118 - 178 Damage Speed 3.30
(44.8 damage per second)
+13 Strength
+13 Agility
+15 Stamina
+9 Spirit
Requires Level 47
This absolutely rocks, I get crits over 500dmg and it has all the stats i need.
#15 May 04 2005 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
Lv. 47 Hunter and I DW these Dazzling Mithril Rapier and Sword of Omen. I also have Grimlok's Charge as my 2h weapon.

But then, I'm sure you don't care because you're not of level for them yet, lol. Right now you should be looking for some nice leather for you. I personally like the Dragonscale Armor with the +1% crit chance, but that's lvl 45 armor and mail so you can't use that yet either.

All I can really tell you is to send your pet out first, let it get off a growl, then open fire. Always have a trap of some sort set in front of you just in case something else aggros on you, or the one you're fighting loses your pet's aggro. Always helps for me. And at lvl 47, I use combatstats from Cosmos BTW, my pet generally does 33-36% of my overall damage. I use King Bangalash, the lvl 43 Elite from Stranglethorn Vale.

Hope I helped you at least a little, lol.
#16 May 04 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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i would gladly give up my sword, both 1h axes and the 2hander for thos two daggers, lolunfortunatly i'm too poor for them. my highest take so far is about 5g.


Well ya dont have to have any money to get em Calabar apperently got one with a level 23 , On a lunch break!(i find that verry amusing BTW) I posted them beacause they are not items that you have to kill yourself to get them, heck kill valutrous (SP) a few times and get 2, bang, you got DPS and a nice AGI Buff. they are out their, and dont be duped in to thinking you can only get your stuff form the AH, their are plenty of good BoP and some BoE items out their just waiting for ya to get them.
#17 May 06 2005 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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only problem I have with two-handed is while it does MAD dmg when it hits...if you miss a swing that's generally 6 full seconds with zero damage being dealt to the enemy while he stands and pounds on you..

I currently have an exquisite flamberge of the wolf in the bank but I haven't decided whether to use it or sell it yet

I currently DW with



and

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=3850

but I'm looking for better blades to DW with...also need a better gun lol

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=15322

but even with that gun I see crits > 600
#18 May 09 2005 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Only point in using two non-epic daggers is in getting icy-chill or crusader enchantment on them. The real fast speed of the daggers make those enchants proc heavily. If you dont get this enchants due to lack o' money and/or age you should stick with a highdamage 2h-weapon of choice and rely on your ranged weapon playing the hunter as he is intended to be played.

P.S.: I tried a meleespec and was thrilled by it for about a day then specced back to ranged as I wanted to kill some mobs of my lvl as well... :-~
#19 May 10 2005 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
With my pet and my range attacks... I can take most mobs 4 lvls higher then me... with melee... well... my level and maybe 1 or 2 higher then me.
#20 May 10 2005 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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man...I changed my DW to using axes and what a DIFFERENCE...

and as far as the DW vs 2-hander argument...I personally think that DW is definitely the way to go.

My reasoning is simple, yes 2-handers do MAD dmg but are extremely slow..if you have a 2-hander with a speed of 3 and miss...that's a total of 6 seconds that your not dealing dmg (the 3 seconds from the previous swing and the 3 seconds to the next one)...6 seconds of whatever your fighting pounding on you without your having done even 1 pt of dmg to it (barring your pet of course)...one handers, however, are faster meaning that while you seem to miss more often it really isn't, it's just that your swinging more times so it seems like you are missing more often.

I'm personally actually doing melee more often than ranged right now (mostly because I'm practicing different pvp moves without the added danger of fighting against a real person) and have found that I take mobs down nearly as fast as if I was standing at range shooting.
#21 May 31 2005 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
dual wield gives a huge penalty to hit, and the off-hand wep does pathetic dmg. yes it's frustrating to wait 3 seconds for a swing, but wingclip is instant (run through him back to range) and a better chance to hit on your 2-hander.

I use http://www.thottbot.com/?i=4660 (frost tiger blade) for the +1% crit, and when i'm forced to melee i have a chance to slow the opponent, giving me an additional chance to reach range again.

If you prefer stats have a look at staffs; they have good stat boosts and usually fairly decent dps and tend to be relatively fast 2-handers. just makes you look like a druid ;-)
#22 May 31 2005 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
I can beat the crap out of anything up to 4 or sometimes 5 levels above me with my pet going close range, and me going long range. I had heaps of these problems when I was level 28, nothing was working for me then. In melee I do dual wield daggers, and if hunters weren't mean to be trained in it, it wouldn't be an option at level 20 as far as I'm concerned.
#23 May 31 2005 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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and if hunters weren't mean to be trained in it, it wouldn't be an option at level 20 as far as I'm concerned


dual wield is certainly a viable option, especially if you spec some talents to reduce the miss-chance (which is 24% off the top of my head). to each his own. But if you're on a pvp server, one chance at clip is all you get sometimes, especially if you get jumped and don't have a trap. you want that clip to stick when you're fighting melee classes, or you will very likely lose

daggers are nice to dissrupt casters, but don't forget most casters can force you into a dead-zone situation. then it doesn't matter much what weps/talents you have :-)

I would consider daggers strongly if i could get icy chill on them, but I'm not rich enough to waste that now on a wep I'll outlevel in a couple days anyhow.
#24 Jun 02 2005 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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To answer yexos question shorter:

You defo do something terribly wrong if your pet can't hold the aggroe and you have to go closecombat - as someone posted earlier you prolly gotta get growl rank 3. I NEVER had a problem with my pet holding aggroe (lvl. 60 huntress now) except for some time when I didn't realise that Cower is on auto when it is NOT in the actionbar. So maybe that is yexoe's problem. When Cower is removed from the actionbar it is auto-ON and that means it is used by the pet to reduce the overall aggroe. If you still feel your pet looses aggroe ever so often I can't think of another answer but someone else might.

As for the 2H- or dualwield discussion: It's always better to get the highest possible stats on the meleeweapons. So if the highest stats come from your 2H-weapon (like stoneraven) use the 2H. If you get better stats from dualwield (like 2* ebon shiv= 18 agi) use dualwield. Damage is rather unimportant as you are not supposed to melee anyways. But if you melee (like in instances to draw aggroe from casters, priests) be sure to have a faster weapon to be able to get aggroe off of you with disengage, cause if you don't you'll die pretty fast :-)
#25 Jun 02 2005 at 6:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I starting using polearms at 31, but the weapon I had didn't get any stat buffs and had a low chance on hit percentage, so I switched. I was using a Greater Scythe of the Monkey + Gloom Reaper of Agility for a while, they worked great. At 37 I switched to a 2h axe, the Ravager from Herod, and that has been suiting me well. I recently picked upa Furious Falchion of the Monkey (26.6dps +5 agility, +5 stamina, 2.5 attack speed) to dual wield with Sword of Serenity. I find the faster speed of these to me much better for pvp and soloing, but I still bust out my axe in instances.
#26 Jun 02 2005 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
Im going to argue that for melee DPS isnt important for hunters... damage is... at least for me... I do melee alot... but couterattack and mongoose bite are both instant casts... which leaves very few skills that depend on weapon speed... raptor strike being one of them... the instant casts boost the DPS... you hit more and do more... and if you are kiting... damage is far more important then DPS cause you are only kiting to get in range and shoot. this is only a personal taste... but really it does make a differance.

As for being under powered... i leveled my first hunter taking MOBs 4-5 levels higher the entire way (not possible with mages due to resist)... so at 27 you are underpowered.

do you have enchants on your weapon(s)(if you duel wield I recomend beast slayer... +6 dmg to beasts... and at 27 you are taking quite a few beasts on... you are getting close to starting STV...

Armor enchants... remember... agility first... armor kits where needed...

make sure your pet is trained in the most recent growl and other skills... there is a set of skill to learn at 24.

Are you using the most recent bullets??? heavy shot I do believe for guns... is your armor up to date??? I would recomend to start picking up the Insignia set from the AH (drops in Scarlet Monestary which 27 is about 11 levels to low to go to)... runs between 1 and 2 gold a piece and the bonuses will make you a pretty tough well rounded cookie... yes the set has alot of INT... but it really does do a good job at keeping you alive.

I would mention leveling your first aid if you havent already... but my hunter did not use First aid much till post 35.... what are your trade skills.... remember if you are alchy pots are your friend... if you are a leather worker keep yourself up to date... if you are an engineer make your special bullets... and dont forget your scopes...
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