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#5002 Apr 04 2014 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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It's Friday again, thank god. And I got only six hours sleep last night, which is no longer enough for me, so I'm sitting here yawning and doing nothing. Except stare at the woman across from me, who is doing her job while oblivious to the fact that I'm staring at her and imagining all kinds of . . . er . . . uhm . . . so how do ya like them Yankees??!?

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#5003 Apr 04 2014 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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so how do ya like them Yankees??!?
Medium rare.
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#5004 Apr 04 2014 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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What's the difference between medium rare and medium medium? And is there such a thing as medium medium?
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#5005 Apr 04 2014 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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Medium medium is just "medium."

The scale usually goes, from more cooked to less: Well Done, Medium Well, Medium, Medium Rare, Rare. It's really a spectrum, and it's not going to be exact. So the difference between medium and medium rare really isn't going to be that big. One will be just a little more cooked, but it's an approximation.

Edit: I should clarify that what I described is really the layman usage. Restaurants actually have clearly defined internal temperature ranges as described by a meat thermometer that tells you what your meat could be described as.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_(meat)

Edited, Apr 4th 2014 4:56pm by IDrownFish
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#5006 Apr 04 2014 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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I just cook it until it stops being "gooey" and then it's usually medium rare.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 1:48am by Mazra
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#5007 Apr 04 2014 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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I think that what you are saying is largely unnecessary. I've touched on this before, but I'm consistently amazed at how future proof they made the game. When they were first creating WoW, they made a lot of incredibly smart decisions that allowed them to continue with what is essentially a ten year old engine at this point.

A good example is projectile effects. Back in Vanilla, a spell like a Hunter's Glaive Toss wouldn't be possible to code. If you threw a fireball at someone, it wouldn't do damage to all targets it passed through. The server recognized that your character cast it, would calculate if it hit or not based on a %chance determined by hit rating, then would deal damage to the target. What was in the way was irrelevant as long as your character had line of sight.

But because the original engine was, I believe, designed to be easy to modify and add on to when the time came, they were able to add hit detection in. Now you can have spells like Glaive Toss too. If you asked me if that kind of thing was possible back in Vanilla, I would have said no. But time and time again they have surprised me with just how well they can push the engine.

I really do think that Blizzard has some incredibly brilliant engineers on their team. Some of the sh*t they pull, from a programmer's perspective, seems like absolute witchcraft to me. I still think there's some kind of faustian deal involved.

I don't think a remake is due yet. WoW might be running on an ancient engine at this point, but they have so many brilliant people working for them they have already been able to do way more than I thought they would, and I don't really see that changing any time soon.


As someone who mained a Mage for a while, I have to strongly disagree with you here. The class is essentially defined by the inflexibility of the engine, even now. Their only real recourse is to make the class more and more basic as time goes on, because the engine issues just get magnified.

The base code of the game isn't really any more or less impressive than any other game. But the level of processing power that can be thrown at it now is quite large, and new features are added to take advantage of that. But we aren't really talking a really simple, clean upgrade here. More like a messy lump stacked on top of another really messy lump.

The real thing of importance is that they have a **** ton of money they can spend on engineers to work to get that messy lump looking like something really pretty on the outside. And even then, there are plenty of basic things (that have been big problems for a LONG time) that they just can't fix.

But when they aren't hitting points where the engine just gives them a flat "no," they have the money (and the strong business motive to actually use it) to ensure that the messy lump works well enough to be one of the more polished systems out there.

Most modern MMOs probably have code that's much more eloquent, modular, and upgradeable than WoW's is (having, you know, learned from WoW's mistakes, with access to upgraded engines). But they have a small fraction of WoW's budget. And that really, really matters.
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#5008 Apr 04 2014 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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So, I just hit the point where I'm sufficiently annoyed at my laptop to build a rig...

Thinking I'm looking at $700 (including monitor), IF I can get Windows 7 cheaply. Because I really don't want Windows 8... /shudder.
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#5009 Apr 05 2014 at 3:18 AM Rating: Good
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At that price you better torrent Windows if you want something to work with, do you need other peripherals besides the monitor as well?
#5010 Apr 05 2014 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
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Get Windows 8 and download Classic Shell for it. You get the speed of Windows 8 and the interface of Windows 7.
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#5011 Apr 05 2014 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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Either way, spend your money on the hardware because $700 - $100 for monitor and $100 for Windows (and maybe $75-100 for mouse+keyboard) leaves little wiggle room for a build.
#5012 Apr 05 2014 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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Nope. I'll upgrade the keyboard, at least, pretty quickly. But the one I have is more than sufficient. I don't like the clacking it makes, but that's a minor complaint for right now.

And I wasn't actually including the OS in that budget. It's pretty much a constant, there. If I go Windows 8, it's $30. If W7, it's $90-100. I may actually consider W8 with their new announcements, because they said they're letting modern apps run on the desktop instead of the budget. Assuming the search function is included in that list, that and a start menu are nice compromises.
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#5013 Apr 05 2014 at 4:24 AM Rating: Good
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In that case, are you looking to build it yourself, have someone do it for you or buy a complete PC? Cause if its the first or second, I'd say ask Kao. Smiley: tongue
/r/Buildapcforme is a good place to look as well.
#5014 Apr 05 2014 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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This is what my PUGs look like.

9k DPS on the boss, if you're wondering.


I don't know what's up with my luck these days. When I'm on my alts, I keep getting PUG trash, and when I'm on my Druid, I keep getting heroic geared raiders who run ahead and solos the dungeon while the rest of us are locked out of it all.

I talked to the guy in the link above, and he had no idea how the Rogue worked. He didn't know how to get gear with agility on it, or what secondary stats he needed. How does one get to level 87 without knowing such basics? I'd point to the Recruit-a-Friend nonsense and the paid level boost, but this guy has items from Hour of Twilight and Stonecore, so he obviously ran some dungeons up through the levels.

Window-lickers aplenty on these servers.

Edit: Also, he didn't speak or understand basic English. By a coincidence, he turned out to be Danish. You're taught English in 2nd grade in Denmark. Back when I was a kid, it was in 3rd grade. Unless this guy is from the ******* Stone Age, he was taught English at some point in life. I don't even...

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 12:59pm by Mazra
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#5015 Apr 05 2014 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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The int/spirit rings and cloth belt are a nice touch.
#5016 Apr 05 2014 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah. Want to see the Recount log of the abilities he used? In order of most damage:

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Hemorrhage
Crimson Tempest (DoT)
Crimson Tempest
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Hemorrhage (DoT)
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Shadow Blade Off-hand

And that's it. He did 4.8k DPS at level 87. For comparison, my Holy Priest does 10k DPS at the same level while also healing. I give up.
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#5017 Apr 05 2014 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure I passed 5k DPS in Ulduar in mostly blues and with a blue bow when I just started raiding on Kazzak.
#5018 Apr 05 2014 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, those were the days. Smiley: lol

And let's remember that it couldn't possibly be easier to get basic gearing/rotation info nowadays. Blizzard pretty much throws that at you. Making the character? Primary stat. Talent trees? Primary stat.


As for the PC, I'mma build it. struggling with where to whittle down my budget a little.
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#5019 Apr 05 2014 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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Kind of depends on whether you want to be able to upgrade it later or not, although for that budget I think trying to make it upgradeable is a stretch anyway so you can probably do with a motherboard that doesn't support SLI, a not too strong PSU and a very basic case and you can shave off a good $100-150 there, i5 instead of i7 is an obvious one as well but I'm guessing you were going for that anyway.

Edit: If you can stretch your budget a little bit to squeeze in an R9 270X and i5 4670k with 8GB of good RAM you've got a pretty good PC, although I'm guessing it would end up at ~$700-750 without a monitor (second hand monitor from craigslist or something to save a few bucks?)

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 2:02pm by Aethien
#5020 Apr 05 2014 at 6:26 AM Rating: Good
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Right now I'm looking at a R9 270 and i3-4330. Definitely not as powerful as the 4670 (only 2 physical cores), but it's also $100 cheaper. I figure I'll just plan that as a future upgrade.

I'm sitting right at $710 without a monitor right now. I might be okay with that... The case and the PSU are both decently future proof, I think, so they should last into another build at least.

So if I say $30 for the OS and $130 for the monitor... $870. Oh, plus tax.

Hmmm.

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Oh hey, softwareswap subreddit.

Do I want to chance it to get W7 for $10? Hmmm.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 8:50am by idiggory
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#5021 Apr 05 2014 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure you can get a decent monitor for ~$100 so that shaves it down to $840.
#5022 Apr 05 2014 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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Damn hardware prices here. I spent $2,000 on my rig.
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#5023 Apr 05 2014 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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What are your specs again?

Also, I couldn't imagine myself ever being in a position to drop $2k on a rig, no matter how much I wanted it.
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#5024 Apr 05 2014 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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My new rig is costing about $1350 which will be equal to about $1000-1100 or so since there's at least 1 online store that gets close to US prices.

Edit: despite sales tax here being 21% I think Denmark is even worse.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 6:44pm by Aethien
#5025 Apr 05 2014 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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I have more fun figuring out what I want to put into a build than anything else.

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#5026 Apr 05 2014 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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I like the initial part. Actually trying to target a specific budget limit is less fun, because you inevitably see some really great part/deal that puts you like $20 over, so naturally you want it...

But I actually do need a new computer. And if it's the choice between a $5-600 laptop and a $800 gaming rig, it's a pretty easy one for me, because I can scrub this laptop and still get mileage out of it. My current laptop can meet my mobile needs, more-or-less, so there's no reason I need an all-in-one package here. Biggest irritant is when I need to do something graphical for work, but that's thankfully rare. But I was never going to pay out for something like a Macbook anyway, at least not at this point in my life.
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