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#7952 Jul 10 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Although I will admit, I really don't understand the reasoning behind keeping LB up on the tank at all times. If he's low on health, wouldn't it make sense to let it bloom and then put them up again?


The problem I find is that it takes 3 GCD's to get the full stacks up which can seem an awful long time when the damage is flying (on the tank or others). I love having the bloom there for the times when I get feared or some other mechanic or someone else takes a sudden heap of damage. Also, you can probably refresh and cast a healing touch for more healing in the same time it would take to bloom and re-apply 3 stacks. The hardest thing I have found switching to resto is relying on Wild Growth and Efflorescence to heal up damage on the raid. Often I see people on 70-80% and hit them with a rejuv - if I do it too often, then I find mana a problem.

#7953 Jul 10 2011 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
Well and not only that, in heroics I feel like I"m supposed to keep LB up on the tank even when he's not taking damage. It's a waste of mana, although I've yet to go OoM while healing a heroic so far.
#7954 Jul 10 2011 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah LB is an efficiency thing. You get a solid HPM and OoC Procs to boot. However, it doesn't really have the healing output, so there's not as much reason to roll it if you don't expect to be pressed for mana. I don't know how you guys are doing mana wise these days though; I haven't healing anything on a druid in a while now. So ya, you can think RJ for output, LB for efficiency. Of course rolling LB with a casted spell will also serve as a handy timer to keep your mastery buff up. Smiley: wink

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 7:45pm by someproteinguy
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#7955 Jul 10 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'm healing a bit in heroics whenever I get tired of owning meters. I jest, a Death Knight in full PvP gear beat me by 2k DPS earlier today. 60k main hand Obliterate crits.

Healing still feels a bit clunky. Other than the odd Healing Touch crit, our burst healing still kinda sucks. I'm at +20% healing through mastery and my Regrowths are pathetic. We lack a fast heal that heals for a lot, but also costs a lot of mana. Right now we only have Regrowth, but the direct healing it provides just isn't enough. Even if you spam it, the HPS just doesn't cut it.

Also, the mastery confuses me. Direct heals boost our HoTs, but the entire class is built up around applying HoTs first and then refreshing them with direct heals. Does this mean that a Lifebloom refreshed by a direct heal will benefit from the mastery? Isn't it kinda silly that I have to apply a HoT and then use Swiftmend in order to boost other HoTs?

Basically, it's not worth applying any HoTs until after you've used a direct heal, but there's no reason to use a direct heal unless the target is low on health, which is what HoTs are supposed to prevent.

I just don't get it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 5:10am by Mazra
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#7956 Jul 10 2011 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never really "got" the regrowth redesign either. Something about having Nourish as the quick heal, and having it's power boosted by HoTs on the target, at least seemed more Druidy. Having a quick heal with a % of it as a HoT just doesn't seem to work so well in retrospect. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 8:21pm by someproteinguy
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#7957 Jul 10 2011 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
Yeah I'm not really sure I get it either. My healing is at 17% or so with mastery rating. I just roll the HoTs and use Healing Touch when people get low, or WG/Tranq when everyone is low. Anyways, I'm trying to follow what is in this guide.
#7958 Jul 10 2011 at 9:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lissanna usually writes some pretty good stuff. I think I used to make more liberal use of WG & SM/Efflor; I want to say I remember WG being worthwhile as long as you had 3 injured people. But I was more mana-conscious back then... Smiley: oyvey

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#7959 Jul 11 2011 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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#7960 Jul 11 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
I'm healing a bit in heroics whenever I get tired of owning meters. I jest, a Death Knight in full PvP gear beat me by 2k DPS earlier today. 60k main hand Obliterate crits.

Healing still feels a bit clunky. Other than the odd Healing Touch crit, our burst healing still kinda sucks. I'm at +20% healing through mastery and my Regrowths are pathetic. We lack a fast heal that heals for a lot, but also costs a lot of mana. Right now we only have Regrowth, but the direct healing it provides just isn't enough. Even if you spam it, the HPS just doesn't cut it.

Also, the mastery confuses me. Direct heals boost our HoTs, but the entire class is built up around applying HoTs first and then refreshing them with direct heals. Does this mean that a Lifebloom refreshed by a direct heal will benefit from the mastery? Isn't it kinda silly that I have to apply a HoT and then use Swiftmend in order to boost other HoTs?

Basically, it's not worth applying any HoTs until after you've used a direct heal, but there's no reason to use a direct heal unless the target is low on health, which is what HoTs are supposed to prevent.

I just don't get it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 5:10am by Mazra

The hot you used before the boost will be boosted too, doesnt matter.
You should be using RG when Clarity procs.
For low health tank I use RG + SW and NS+HT. That HT, due to how NS works now, has a large chance of criting. Wich means 85k heal. If that isnt enough, I let go my mouse and wipe.
Dps getting lower than WG + RJ and emergency RG can heal? Too bad, shouldnt stay in fire.
Druids are really good in 5s.
If you were talking about 25s heroic, I would more than agree.
#7961 Jul 11 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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I think you underestimate the spike damage in 5-man heroics, Brisin. Stuff hits hard, even at this point in the expansion. I've had tanks drop 100k in two GCD. I've had tanks drop through my Healing Touch spam because Lifebloom and Rejuvenation fell off.

Our ONLY healing nuke is our slow and somewhat mana efficient heal. We're supposed to have two: One slow and one fast, with the trade-off being mana efficiency. Currently, Regrowth lacks a lot of power. I think my record crit was 20k. It hits for maybe 13k.

If the tank is taking enough damage to warrant Regrowth spam then 13k hits won't prevent a wipe. And my level 78 Holy Priest's Flash Heal hits for 10k. At barely 1.1k spell power. My Druid has 6.6k spell power, +20% healing through mastery and +25% healing through spec choice, and the fast nuke does less than 50% more healing compared to a sub-80 Priest in WOTLK gear? How does that make sense? I know Regrowth has a HoT effect, but it doesn't stack, which means Regrowth spam causes Regrowth to become even more mana inefficient.

I'm not saying the spec is broken, I'm just saying Regrowth is underpowered in situations where spamming becomes a necessity. The issue being that if Regrowth gets buffed, OOC means we'll become FotM PvP healers again. If we're not already.

Blizzard should learn from Trion and separate abilities into PvP and PvE functions. For instance, buff Regrowth healing by 50% and then reduce it by 50% in Battlegrounds/Arenas. Voila, you can now balance classes for PvP and PvE without destroying stuff in the process.
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#7962 Jul 11 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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#7963 Jul 11 2011 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
I think you underestimate the spike damage in 5-man heroics, Brisin. Stuff hits hard, even at this point in the expansion. I've had tanks drop 100k in two GCD. I've had tanks drop through my Healing Touch spam because Lifebloom and Rejuvenation fell off.

Our ONLY healing nuke is our slow and somewhat mana efficient heal. We're supposed to have two: One slow and one fast, with the trade-off being mana efficiency. Currently, Regrowth lacks a lot of power. I think my record crit was 20k. It hits for maybe 13k.

If the tank is taking enough damage to warrant Regrowth spam then 13k hits won't prevent a wipe. And my level 78 Holy Priest's Flash Heal hits for 10k. At barely 1.1k spell power. My Druid has 6.6k spell power, +20% healing through mastery and +25% healing through spec choice, and the fast nuke does less than 50% more healing compared to a sub-80 Priest in WOTLK gear? How does that make sense? I know Regrowth has a HoT effect, but it doesn't stack, which means Regrowth spam causes Regrowth to become even more mana inefficient.

I'm not saying the spec is broken, I'm just saying Regrowth is underpowered in situations where spamming becomes a necessity. The issue being that if Regrowth gets buffed, OOC means we'll become FotM PvP healers again. If we're not already.

Blizzard should learn from Trion and separate abilities into PvP and PvE functions. For instance, buff Regrowth healing by 50% and then reduce it by 50% in Battlegrounds/Arenas. Voila, you can now balance classes for PvP and PvE without destroying stuff in the process.

Only place I heal right now, is 5 mans, so Im kinda used to spike heals moments there.

I do agree with everything you are saying. Those are the inherit problems with druid healers in Cata, so far. What I dont agree is where they show up. That may be the case of gear, maybe.
For 5 mans, I think we more than have emergency CDs. RG + SW + NS/HT. If that dont bring the tank up, you still have Tree Form with Insta RG. You will OOM, but it will work.
That's why I say we, as a class, dont have problems healing 5 means. We have more than enough CDs for the damage that is done, both for the party and for the tank. If we cant keep them up, the problem is somewhere else. Or they are lacking gear, or not using their CDs, or standing in sh*t, or...it can be a huge list of things. But we should be alright for 5 man content.

Those problems you are pointing out are the reason you almost dont see druid healers in heroic 25s. You may see 1, MAYBE 2 in the same run, depending of the fight. But if you have more than that, you raid will lack so many CDs, so many shields, that it's just not good at all.

IMHO, we lack a shield. It could be applied with RG, instead of the HoT. It would be a elegant way to fix RG and fix the lack of druids on 25s heroics.
And Eff could work like the shammy and priest ones, that you have to place in the ground. But that's just because I like more to be able to place it where I want rather than where people running around are standing at.

About the pve x pvp, well, lets say this is a problem since tBC. And Blizzard did nothing to get that right. And I dont think they will ever do. Just because they are that stuborn.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 12:03pm by Brisin
#7964 Jul 11 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
We got Baleroc down tonight - I've just retrained myself to heal on my druid and now a fight that changes everything by making my HoTs useless for much of the fight! And getting stacks up with our long casting HT or Nourish is just painful - our Pally and Shammy seemed to build up stacks much faster.

#7965 Jul 11 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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We got Baleroc down tonight - I've just retrained myself to heal on my druid and now a fight that changes everything by making my HoTs useless for much of the fight! And getting stacks up with our long casting HT or Nourish is just painful - our Pally and Shammy seemed to build up stacks much faster.


Oh, yeah, Nourish. That completely useless spell that I pretty much never use.
Blergh.
#7966 Jul 11 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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This is why I play rift :D

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#7967 Jul 11 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kalivha wrote:
What's this WoW-talk? Smiley: dubious


Why start a new thread when everyone you want to talk to is following this one already? Smiley: grin
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#7968 Jul 11 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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So I'm still alive. Mostly.
I've had my internet back for a week and a bit but I had a festival to photograph and a deadline for processing the photos.
So I denied myself access to ZAM cause I couldn't afford to get distracted.
Also check my photos here (My photos have the band as filename)

Let me know what you think of them! Smiley: smile


And Skindred was amazing live, talking to some old friends I hadn't seen for over a year was cool and I went to a birthday of one of them last weekend. Oh yeah, and I got to meet my new psychologist the Monday after RosRock. At 9:00 AM, 2+ hours of travel from where RosRock is. Thank god he's only a few years older than I am and a rocker himself so he knew how I felt.
So all in all my batteries are empty right now.
#7969 Jul 11 2011 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
So I'm still alive. Mostly.


This is good, your absence greatly worried Tails.

Eidt: i no cna splel.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 11:53am by someproteinguy
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#7970 Jul 11 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I'm gone for a bit and suddenly there's fifth stars and whatnot? What the **** is up with the forum?
And the layout is getting worse...





Oh and Protein, LOOKATMAHPRETTYPICTURES! I demands it!
#7971 Jul 11 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Also, I'm gone for a bit and suddenly there's fifth stars and whatnot?


There is no 5th star.



Also, lunch is coming here shortly so I shall indeed look at pretty pictures.
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#7972 Jul 11 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Also, lunch is coming here shortly so I shall indeed look at pretty pictures.


Skindred 01 is sweet; still leafing through pictures.

I like the one on the btm left of page three too.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 12:22pm by someproteinguy
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#7973 Jul 11 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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That's what I'm saying. I'm getting eerily close...

And @Aeth, pictures are awesome. As is this kid. And the Diablo Boulevard bassist is hot.
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#7974 Jul 11 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
Digg was worried too. >.> I blame my mother, she's a huge worry wart and she passed that trait to me.

Do shamans have a shield? I know that priests and pallies do obviously, but I wasn't aware of shamans having a shield. Maybe I've just been lucky, but so far I haven't had any issues keeping the tank up or most of the DPS if they aren't doing something stupid. Hell, I even managed to keep up a tank in half pvp gear that only had one piece of gear with dodge or parry on it... I only stuck through that for one fight, the guy in SFK who summons the worgen. I got killed towards the end of the fight because people didn't kill the adds and the tank didn't get threat off me. After that I left. I was so not dealing with that for another 30+ minutes.
#7975 Jul 11 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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This one's pretty close to being great, there's gotta be something good in there. Maybe I'm just a sucker for lines though.

<3 the little kid with the headphones.

4 Tails: Earth Shield? Not sure if that counts.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 12:33pm by someproteinguy
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#7976 Jul 11 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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That's what I'm saying. I'm getting eerily close...

And @Aeth, pictures are awesome. As is this kid. And the Diablo Boulevard bassist is hot.
Pff, my photo of the little girl is more awesome.
Also, don't you fancy the guys from Valient Thorr? Smiley: tongue
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