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#27 Sep 14 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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This is one of the best games I've played in a long time.



So true. This game will forever be on my list of greats. I was obsessed with it.
#28 Sep 14 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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This is one of the best games I've played in a long time. I keep finding myself loathe to deal with new characters because I'm genuinely attached to the ones I've grown to know. Which, from a mechanics perspective, I need to overcome but from an immersion perspective is a nice achievement.

It's funny that you say this, because I felt the exact same way when I first played through the game. On subsequent play-throughs though, I tried to use some characters that I had neglected the first time around, and found them to be just an interesting (Sten, by the way, was ultimately my favorite).

The various endings almost necessitate that you play through a few times, since it takes some serious schmoozing with certain characters to get the really unique ones.
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#29 Sep 14 2011 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Groovy. I'm in Redcliffe Castle now but just started. I might back out to an earlier save and go to Mage Tower instead just to see how it goes.


You should finish Redcliff then go to mage tower. I don't want to spoil it for you but you'll understand why if you stick with Redcliff.
#30 Sep 14 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Groovy. I'm in Redcliffe Castle now but just started. I might back out to an earlier save and go to Mage Tower instead just to see how it goes.

This is one of the best games I've played in a long time. I keep finding myself loathe to deal with new characters because I'm genuinely attached to the ones I've grown to know. Which, from a mechanics perspective, I need to overcome but from an immersion perspective is a nice achievement.

My Steam Summer Sale dollars well spent!


Just wait until you start on two and see the exact same area four different times for various unrelated quests.
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#31 Sep 14 2011 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Groovy. I'm in Redcliffe Castle now but just started. I might back out to an earlier save and go to Mage Tower instead just to see how it goes.

This is one of the best games I've played in a long time. I keep finding myself loathe to deal with new characters because I'm genuinely attached to the ones I've grown to know. Which, from a mechanics perspective, I need to overcome but from an immersion perspective is a nice achievement.

My Steam Summer Sale dollars well spent!


Don't bother backtracking. Just go forward with Redcliffe. Trust me.
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#32 Sep 14 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, I'll stick with Redcliffe then.

Everything I've heard about DA2 says it licked Hurlock sack so I passed on buying it.
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#33 Sep 14 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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It wasn't terrible. It was still a fun game. But the original was far more epic and just hit a sweet spot in story telling and innovation for it's time.

Damn every time one of these threads comes up I want to play it again... for the 7th time >.>
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#34 Sep 14 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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I started again last night! lol
#35 Sep 14 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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DA2 is not a bad game, but as I mentioned, the two are so different they might as well not even be related. This means a lot of people that liked DA:O, did not like DA2 and those that hated DA:O, loved DA2.

My personal thought on DA2- it got everything right that DA:O got wrong, but it also got wrong everything that DA:O got right. The "sequel" is faster and much more action based. Combat loses all strategy and while the story works, it is far from great. Probably the most amazing aspect of DA2 is that you are actually forced into difficult decisions*. I also found DA2 to have much more replay value than DA:O, but that might just be me.



*Yes, you can say that DA:O, Mass Effect, and other such games provide you with choices, but many of those choices are very limited in their effects and generally you asked to choose between xp/gold or nothing. Being an "evil" character never really felt evil except you miss out on xp/gold and most the time, both routes were possible. Even the longterm choices in DA:O only led to maybe an extra CS or an army you probably didn't use anyway.


EDIT: I hate you all Smiley: mad, I'm now preparing for a month of Dragon Age. I'll need to pick up any decent sounding DLC this time too.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 3:04pm by xypin
#36 Sep 14 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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DA2 wasn't awful, imo. But it did have severe problems--for instance that there's like 3 or 4 dungeons in the whole game, that are just copied and pasted elsewhere.

But I really liked a lot of characters. I loved the increased options for Hawke on the RP end of things (insofar as the fact that there were 5 romance options, and 4 of them were for either sex). I loved that you could design Hawke to act the way you liked, even when you weren't selecting inputs for dialogue (basically, as you choose more "sarcastic/charming" options, your Hawke's dialogue will be sarcastic or charming by default. Pious/kind, aggressive/greedy as well).

And I really liked the story. It was definitely WAY less epic than the first, but that's because you aren't fighting for the fate of the world in this one.

It does seem like it'll be hugely important for DA3 though. And I've heard nothing but good things about the new DLC (which I have yet to play).

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And, yeah, one of the most emotional scenes I've ever found in a video game came from DA2.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 3:55pm by idiggory
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I'm now preparing for a month of Dragon Age. I'll need to pick up any decent sounding DLC this time too.

The Steam sale pack came with a gob of DLC. Score!!
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#38 Sep 14 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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I still haven't played the last two DLC. But Return to Ostagar can give some nice closure, if you care about it. Just be sure to:

A. Go early.
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B. Take characters that were there.

But it'll give you a set of really nice armor if you are using a traditional warrior tank.

The Warden's Keep DLC was fun, but largely irrelevant to the story at large. It'll give you access to a chest that you can store items in though, which is awesome. You'll also get two new (unique) abilities for the Warden, which range from great to awful.

The Stone Prisoner was great, imo. And actually has value in the game (if you have it, pick up Shale before you go to Orzammar).
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#39 Sep 14 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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What about all of the side stories? I was definitely looking at Ostagar. The other two came with my DA:O copy.

I've heard really good things about Leilana's Song, but haven't looked at the others.
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I never tried Leliana's Song. But I haven't heard anything bad about it. And if you like Leliana, it might be worth it. Plus, she's likely going to be a major character in DA3, so it could be worth really investigating her back story. I might as well add that the DLC does SOUND interesting to me, it just isn't as high on my list as others (like the newest DA2 DLC, which I hear is awesome and worked to include everything people complained DA2 lacked).

Return to Ostagar is fairly light on the story, all things considered. You get it because some of the fights (while not that unique) are challenging and because the items you get from it are good (aka some of the best items in the game). Bringing Alistair, Wynne or the secret companion just add some value to it. I THINK Leliana might have some speech as well. Maybe Morrigan too.

Warden's Keep is the opposite. The number of good items it provides are pretty low. It DOES have good items, but nothin I'd consider to be best in the game (at least not if you have RtO as well). The real bonus is the chest you get access to. Which, imo, is a pretty nice feature (which becomes standard in DA2). Depending on your class, it might be useful as well. Like if you are a Mage who isn't speccing into Blood Mage, it might be somewhat useful.

I've heard that the one about Morrigan is relatively short and unsatisfying, which is unfortunate. It will potentially be important for DA3, but no way to know really. That said, it might be one of those things that you just read about when the next game comes out. Though, it's also possible that the events of it might influence the events of DA3...

Golems isn't that important, afaik. No real item or story value. I think it's just supposed to be really hard. Never really looked much into it though.

The Darkspawn Chronicles let you play through an alternate plotline where (iirc) all wardens die at Ostagar. Oh, and you play a darkspawn.

I think that's all of them.
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Golems isn't that important, afaik. No real item or story value. I think it's just supposed to be really hard. Never really looked much into it though.


The value is that you get an extra character in your party.
#42 Sep 14 2011 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't care much for most of the characters, but I did like Alistair. I was annoyed that the game never let me ask the questions I wanted to like "How did you pop your plate mail?" and "Where are you getting that hair gel?" Bro'est medieval bro ever.
#43 Sep 14 2011 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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Redcliffe vs Mage vs Ozrimmar vs Dalish:

DO THE MAGE TOWER FIRST!!!!

Redcliffe goes much smoother if you take the "good" path and recruit Wynne, the Healer Mage.

Unless you are really good at the game, having Wynne in your group is about the only way you're going to get your special reward for doing extra well in Redcliffe Village, and a few of the battles in the Castle will be a heck of a lot easier. Also, at the very end of Redcliffe Castle, you'll have everything you need already done. You can solve that problem instantly, since you already cleared the Mage's Tower, assuming you took the "good" path.

I'm doing my best not to include spoilers, but I highly suggest for the first-time players, that they do the Mage Tower first, and go the "Good Path" and recruit Wynne. The game is much, much, MUCH easier if you do.
#44 Sep 14 2011 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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Unless you are really good at the game, having Wynne in your group is about the only way you're going to get your special reward for doing extra well in Redcliffe Village, and a few of the battles in the Castle will be a heck of a lot easier. Also, at the very end of Redcliffe Castle, you'll have everything you need already done. You can solve that problem instantly, since you already cleared the Mage's Tower, assuming you took the "good" path.
Eh, the extra reward isn't that great.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 9:52pm by xypin
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Well, I knew it was a Chantry robe (hence its name: "Chantry Robe" Smiley: grin ) but I was sketchy on how relevant it was to her especially given the game tip. That's the problem with fantasy RPGs, you take all sorts of collected half-information from game to game and seed yourself with misinformation.

I saw she had some archer abilities so maybe I'll give that a shot. Even the drawing aggro thing wasn't so bad in of itself but she always seems to be the first to run into a group or something else stupid no matter how I tinker with her tactics. It was all I could do to keep her from standing in a bonfire earlier (take control, run her out, watch her decide to run back in, rinse & repeat).

"By the Maker, the best tactic I can think of right now is to run across the battlefield to that one undead and flank him by standing in a raging inferno while wearing a robe! It can't fail!"

Edited, Sep 13th 2011 10:23am by Jophiel


I micro manage characters 99% of the time, but then again I play DA on an inordinately high difficulty with only 1 melee

Party wise I run MainChar(Tanky Warrior-Mage) + Morrigan(cc/dmg) + Healer + Leilana(Archer)
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I was surprised to find that the difficulty levels really aren't all that different. I think the only difference I really found between super easy and super hard is that mages start killing your party too. Constitution was a little more important as things got tougher.

It's possible to never really need to micromanage your npcs for respectable damage if you choose your team right, but then I found myself almost forced into using the same set up every time I play the game. This is something that DA2 really got right- with the exception of one or two fights, you never really needed a tank and healing mages just didn't work allowing you to use whoever you thought was cool rather than useful. Also, DA2 hard mode is actually hard.


Naww, hard mode is not that hard, it's of a reasonable difficulty. I had to download a mod that made it more difficult, as my party makeup along with not relying on auto-attacking trivialized encounters.
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Does difficulty scale to character level? For instance, I have an array of places I can go, do I generally find them equally difficult regardless of what order I tackle them in? Or are some places just early-game deathtraps and others potentially trivial if you don't do them early enough?


It scales, but you gain non-scaling utility as you level making larger fights and immunities more easy to solve.
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Lyrailis wrote:
Unless you are really good at the game, having Wynne in your group is about the only way you're going to get your special reward for doing extra well in Redcliffe Village, and a few of the battles in the Castle will be a heck of a lot easier. Also, at the very end of Redcliffe Castle, you'll have everything you need already done. You can solve that problem instantly, since you already cleared the Mage's Tower, assuming you took the "good" path.
Eh, the extra reward isn't that great.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 9:52pm by xypin


The item itself isn't, no.

But the fuzzy feeling of an achievement (which can be hard the first couple times you try it) is cool.

I enjoy playing the "good guy" and doing an extra good job in Redcliffe is fun!

But very freaking hard without Wynne.....

Edit: I don't mean an actual achievement as in game terms, I mean, achievement as achieving that feat of doing a good job in that battle.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 11:44pm by Lyrailis
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I was surprised to find that the difficulty levels really aren't all that different. I think the only difference I really found between super easy and super hard is that mages start killing your party too. Constitution was a little more important as things got tougher.

It's possible to never really need to micromanage your npcs for respectable damage if you choose your team right, but then I found myself almost forced into using the same set up every time I play the game. This is something that DA2 really got right- with the exception of one or two fights, you never really needed a tank and healing mages just didn't work allowing you to use whoever you thought was cool rather than useful. Also, DA2 hard mode is actually hard.


Naww, hard mode is not that hard, it's of a reasonable difficulty. I had to download a mod that made it more difficult, as my party makeup along with not relying on auto-attacking trivialized encounters.


I've heard fighting and beating Ser Cauthrien the first time on Hard is actually fairly difficult for a lot of people.

But then there's always the ubers who manage to find ways to solo it with just about every character in the game lol.
#50 Sep 15 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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ugh... after re-reading this thread, I went and started to download the Ultimate edition last night ($30, all the DLC campaigns, blood dragon armor, and Awakening). I already have Origins however... does my progress carry over to the Ultimate Edition? I don't care so much about my current character, but I would love to keep some of the specializations I've unlocked. Arcane Warrior especially. When I switched computers I lost all of them, which bites, but I'm hoping it'll be different if I'm just "upgrading" the version... Smiley: frown
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ugh... after re-reading this thread, I went and started to download the Ultimate edition last night ($30, all the DLC campaigns, blood dragon armor, and Awakening). I already have Origins however... does my progress carry over to the Ultimate Edition? I don't care so much about my current character, but I would love to keep some of the specializations I've unlocked. Arcane Warrior especially. When I switched computers I lost all of them, which bites, but I'm hoping it'll be different if I'm just "upgrading" the version... Smiley: frown


It should.

I know that when you create a new character normally, all of your specializations are unlocked, and you can pick em anytime you want while leveling, even if your current character didn't earn the specialization in the normal way.

Now, if you played, deleted the game, and then re-downloaded it... if I recall correctly, Origins places the save files in your \Users\username folder, so maybe they're still there along with other data like your achievements.
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