I thought DK's were supposed to be OP nowFollow

DKs are exceptionally powerful in 2v2.

Between his own immunities and your dispels and also utility you can outlast and pressure pretty much any comp.

But as usual, a brain is a must. If he doesn't know how to use his class he is as good as a vanilla ret...

If you tunnel one player and spam necrotic strike or scourge strike you get rewarded with immunity to snares. I just don't think it's very good design, too mindless. Unholy DK/resto Druid is probably the best possible comp in 2v2 at the moment. f course, you can't get titles or T2 pvp weapons (?) from that bracket, so it isn't very important.

Fury warrior are very dangerous with cooldowns up, and probably have better mobility now than arms warriors, Arms does even more damage but loses intercept. MM hunters and shadow priests are doing pretty huge damage too. So is ret for once! So now you'll see teams like Disc priest/Ret pally/MM hunter or PHD do really well in 3v3 (hunter clicks very well with paladin because freedom gives them much more damage uptime. DKs can death grip and snare opponents into the centre away from pillars, to allow hunters to hard cast aimed and cobra/steady shot, so you can see how these classes compliment each other).

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 12:41pm by ArtemisEnteri

I see they've already been hotfixed. Alrighty then.

A quick scroll through the oboards arena forum and I didnt see one nerf mage thread on the first page?

Ugh I hate how fast the bandwagoners jump ship. Guess its DKs, fury warriors next on their list. Most people will NEVER be happy in this game.

Fix'd.

Feral Druids aren't like "normal" melee DPS classes. We have one root breaker and it's our trinket. Name me one other melee DPS class in our position.

DKs, shamans, and warlocks don't have any root breakers other than their trinket. Snare breakers, yes, but I don't think you can really ***** about that.

Omg feral tears get on my nerves, sorry but druids cry harder then anyone else in the game. You had the most OP mobility ever. Druids need to get over this us vs. them mentality and see balance as a whole, but they cant because they all band together over wafflez and shun any non druids so they cant even see the game objectively.

You want things back to the way they were, how exactly were ranged DPS supposed to have a chance against ferals?

The same way they did it before the changes? With Berserk no longer breaking fear effects, you could still Scare Beast or Fear/Psychic Scream. Hunters still have traps and Deterrence, plus Disengage gives them distance as well. Mages would be the most vulnerable and I don't disagree that being able to bypass every single range gain by a Frost Mage was overpowered, but completely removing that ability wasn't the right way to do it.

And your whining is just as bad as ours. Your blanket statements even worse. We don't gather over waffles, we gather over a mug of beer.



Glyph of Shamanistic Rage enables them to remove magical debuffs every minute (plus the 20% mitigation from Shamanistic Rage in the first place). And they have a ranged root of their own (talented Frost Shock). Also, their heals are better than Druids, even if the Druid puts two talent points into increasing them.



The high-end Arena Druids I've read posts from are saying it's a class-crushing change.

I know that a lot of non-Druids don't get how anyone can whine about losing an ability that was clearly OP, but when you lose your ONLY ability to counter endless kiting, it turns ugly. Reports from rated BGs are coming in (and has been since the PTR) with nothing but disgust from Druids. Frost Mages can kite a Feral Druid endlessly, as can most classes with a root.

Charge doesn't work while rooted. Thorns does pitiful damage against ranged (compared to damage taken) and can be dispelled. Cyclone has a 20-yard range and takes 1.7 seconds to cast.

And I know IBF and all that other stuff doesn't counter roots specifically, but they're tools to avoid other forms of CC. Like IBF enables the DK to break stuns, something Druids can't do.

With this change, the only anti-CC Druids have is anti-snares, by powershifting, which in turn reduces the damage output to pathetic levels. Especially now that they also switched our DPS from bleeds to direct damage.

Was shapeshifting out of roots too powerful? Yes. Was removing the ability and giving Druids nothing in return the right choice? No.

If they gave us a cooldown that enabled us to break roots, I'd be fine with it. The problem, and reason why so many are ************************ whatever you call it, is that Blizzard took away our only defense against being kited and gave us zero in return.

Of course, launching this change on top of massive nerfs across the board for Ferals was pretty lame. They should have checked how the nerfs had affected PvP and then gone ahead and changed shapeshifting. Knee-jerk reactions usually end badly. You'd think they'd have learned this by now.



It doesn't work like that, Theo. If you want Barkskin, you have to lose everything else. It's not like we have AMS, AMZ, a pet with a stun and Death Grip. Want to switch your IBF, AMS, AMZ, Gnaw, Strangulate and Death Grip for Barkskin and Survival Instincts, sure. Have fun taking 20% less damage every minute (and 50% every 3 minutes) while you're rooted. Oh, but I forgot, Bear Form is OP, right?

And to repeat myself, in case mikelolol think I'm high on waffles and suffering from xenophobia (I'm not), I don't disagree that shapeshifting out of roots was OP. I just don't think we deserved to be completely gimped the way we were. That's how most other Druids feel as well. The fact that we're now sitting ducks to a number of classes is what we're "whining" about.

Edit: And I know this will generate some flak, but I'm fine with that. I get why others just look at how shapeshifting was before and then nod and think removing it was fine, but you need to play a Feral Druid to understand just how crucial shapeshifting out of roots is to our viability in PvP.

Yes, we'll work around it (in fact, I managed to kill a Frost Mage the other day in world PvP*), but it was a pretty hard kick to the gonads. Hard and not really elegant. Many Oboard contributors have suggested other changes, but Blizzard ignored it and just removed the mechanic altogether, resulting in this whine fest.

*He was a farmbot.

Edit2: Probably the longest post I've written in a while. I'm done with discussing and whining, though. Whoever thinks my posts need to drop below the filter is welcome to PM me and we'll carry it on there, but this thread will derail into nowhere soon.

Edited, Feb 14th 2011 4:08pm by Mazra