WoW Ninja'd my loot.Follow

Yeah. They HAVE to find a way to let people get off-spec gear or no one will ever be able to gear up. We'll have LFR raids full of people trying to DPS as resto and hoping no one notices.

So far, it sounds like I will like it.

The offspec thing is going to be an issue unless something like one of the previously mentioned ideas is implemented but it seem like otherwise much whining can be avoided. My guild does partial LFR runs now that I refuse to go with them on because they do the whole "all need then distribute" thing and I think that's jacked up. I don't like it when others do it and don't want to be part of it. Plus, if I won something and was told to give it to somebody else I'd just be pissed and we don't need that.

I like the shift from needing Valor to gear out, to drops being actually usable. I can't remember the last time I kept a dungeon drop on most of my semi-geared toons. It seems you don't really run dungeons anymore in hopes of loot because the Valor stuff is better - and even then it's tough to invest too much into that because you can probably run LFR by that point which makes even most the Valor stuff obsolete. LFR takes about as much time as a dungeon (maybe 2), provides way better stuff, AND gives more Valor. Dungeons have become nearly obsolete in that sense except as a brief stepping stone to LFR, much like "regulars" always have been with heroics. If they can even things out a bit to make more than 1 thing worthwhile, that would be cool. I already raid DS 2 nights/week. Most my other toons qualify for LFR so if I were really interested in gearing them, that's all I'd run. On 7 toons. DS would literally be the only place I'd ever be in game. I've been working on my fresher 85's (and other lowbie alts) just so I can be somewhere other than Dragon Soul.

If they implement that deal where all the drops are from bosses and you can use Valor to boost your current gear that would at least give some incentive to continue running stuff. I'm currently collecting points on my main raid toon that I have no idea what to do with. She is in full 397. We haven't cleared DS yet (although made it 6/8 in one shot last night so high hopes for this week) so we can't do Heroic for 403 gear. I literally have nothing else to get for her. If I didn't have 30+ alts I'd have been bored out of my skull ages ago. BUT, if I could use that dust-collecting Valor to boost my gear up to 400 or 401 or whatever, and others in the group did the same, maybe we'd have been working on Heroic mode already. Maybe 5 Valor = 1 stat point kind of like reforging. Would have to have a cap clearly, but still. It's a neat idea.

The enchanting thing will be an issue too. Mat prices already skyrocketed when mogging came out because people want to buy the gear rather than d/e it. If they eliminate the d/e option in runs as well (via individual looting) that is going to seriously crimp the influx of mats. It sounds like it's just LFR for now, but I guess we'll have to see.

Oh, and aoe looting sounds amazing. I end up running old content quite a bit either for achieves, mounts, pets, profession or whatever and it's obnoxious pulling and 2-shotting an entire instance then spending 15 minutes cleaning up the mess.

After writing all this and thinking on it some, what I'd almost like to see is a system where Valor gear or drops or whatever are BoA rather than BoP, at least up to a point. That would solve a lot of the issues of "my warrior has sharded that axe 12 times now but can't get it to drop for my DK" or my own situation of one toon with a bunch of points and other toons in need of gear. I can buy 1 piece of BoE gear. Yay? Maybe keep whatever heroic-level stuff they have as BoA and raid-level stuff as BoP. At least that way you don't have to do the entire reg>heroic>trolls>HoT grind (or whatever the new equivalent will be) on *every single* character.

Hmph!

It makes me think of a pimp, but I do believe I've mentioned this before.

It was more of the fact that had I posted before you, I probably would have used almost exactly the same words.

So I'm either sick, psychic, or I'm in your head.

You can choose which.

Yeah, that just weirds me out. Not how you got the nickname, but calling you Big Daddy. Mostly because it sounds like a pimp name to me. =x

You are not the boss of me.

Does this eliminate loot tables, or can a, say, Hunter walk into a raid with me and get <polearm> which he already has and I need? Because that would suck major *** and instead of being mad at the Hunter, I'd be mad at whoever came up with that change.

If the hunter wins <polearm>, he would of won something and it's his bad luck that it's something he couldn't use. The game does not decide "the boss drops <polearm> this kill" and then assign it to someone, it says "this hunter wins loot this kill" and then picks an item from the Hunter loot table (think the current loot filters in the Dungeon Journal except filtered by spec and actual attention to stats the spec uses instead of what they can equip).

Not really. You only roll against yourself. Nobody cares what that other hunter got because you'll never see him again, and it has no affect on what you win.

Think of it this way:

You have like a 10% chance of getting 1 item, a 10% chance of getting a different item, 20% chance of getting something else interesting, 60% you have only your gold, and will walk away with that. Everyone who completes the boss gets their own goodie bag to loot. All 20 hunters in the raid could win the same item from the same boss, or none. Loot tables are for the individual, not the group.

Edited, Mar 29th 2012 3:30pm by someproteinguy

Hey Mazra, did you know Star Wars is already using this exact same loot system for Ops?

I missed that and it completely changes everything.



It's what internet forums are all about. If I didn't complain, Protein wouldn't be able to elaborate on the issue and solve it, and I'd just be stuck with all this bottle up frustration and anger over a misunderstanding. If people don't like to read my rants, I urge them to put me on ignore, or rate down my posts. Either way, I wish people would get off my nuts about it. We were having this discussion months ago along with a deadhorse revival discussion.



If it works like Protein described then I've no problem with it. If it works like I described then the developer needs a groin-kick ASAP.

No, because it's usually me.

Edit: To elaborate on my previous post, because it may not have been clear, I don't rant for the sake of ranting. I don't hate Blizzard, or the game, or anyone. I'm not an angry person, but I'm part of a national and social culture where voicing your opinion on things that upset you is considered normal. The human mind is also built in a way that makes us more aware of the negatives than the positives in our lives, because the positives are often taken for granted.

I attended a lecture a while back where the teacher gave an example of this. He told us to write down 10 good things that happened to us that day. After a while, he told us to write down 10 bad things. Most of the students attending the lecture spent much longer writing the 10 good things, and some didn't even write down all 10. We focus on the bad things - the things that upset us - because they change our view on a given situation. For instance, if you narrowly avoid being hit by a car while crossing a street, it will likely upset you. You might tell your friends about how you almost got squished because some ****** was driving blind or whatever. You will likely also present the situation as "I almost got hit by a car" rather than "I wasn't hit by a car" because one is upsetting while the other is taken for granted.

After Protein explained the part in details, I saw the situation in a new light and the issue was resolved. If it'll work like he describes then I no longer have an issue with it. That won't prevent me from voicing my dissatisfaction another time, though. I'm not the apathetic/anonymous type when it comes to disagreeing with something. I know a lot of people prefer to just click that red/green button and leave it at that, but I'm the type that would rather ask why, or explain why I agree/disagree.

Sharing is caring in the sense that it can help resolve an issue.

Edited, Mar 30th 2012 1:22am by Mazra