WoW Ninja'd my loot.Follow

Roll system: good. In a good RDF group (nobody rolls stupid) nothing changes, and in a bad one I don't lose a feral weapon to folks who want to be big instead of having useful stats.

Bonus roll: good, though there's going to be strife when people read "chance at another item" as "guaranteed item".

AoE looting: inevitable and good. Will there be AoE skinning too?

Valor change: we'll see. It's an interesting idea, but they're going to have to adjust boss loot tables to compensate. Currently Valor's important for filling holes in those tables.

Even as someone that hasn't done really any raiding since TBC, I can see the need for these changes.

That said, I chose miniskirts. Because duh.

All it seems to do is remove the trolling a ******* moves people do on loot rolls. So it gets a in my book.

The interesting one is valor points. The way Blizzard has handled the points over the years has slowly moved from a slight help to a go-to way to gear. Should be interesting to see how the "mud"-storm goes on various forums.

Edited, Mar 27th 2012 3:25pm by Criminy

From what I've seen of blue posts they're playing around with different ideas. Whether it's "each person has an X% chance" or "Y people in the raid get something" is currently malleable. They like being able to say that loot's completely independent of other people (it is in the second version but the illusion of dependence is there), but even if statistically such things are bound to occur a situation where everybody or nobody gets loot is going to cause strife if it hits the wrong people at the wrong time. I think that's why they're not even considering changing non-RDF raids, it'd involve the bleeding-edge folks and they *love* to raise ***********

i know its going to happen but the one big problem with this system is you could go into LFR every week and still be unlucky and never win anything. Or you could be lucky the first week and the following weeks nothing but the same loot is given to you over and over ect.
So in my opinion it solves one issue but does not fix everything people are still going to get frustrated by one of these 2 things.
Unless blizz put in some sort of counter where if you haven't won anything within a couple of weeks your personal chance for loot goes up. Yes i know there are the tokens of good fortune but even that is not a sure thing .
At least in LFR they should make all drop percentages equal so no one thing is more rare then something else so if you end up only needing one specific item that youll never end up seeing it because the cloak is more common then the shoulders you want and you just always end up seeing the cloak.

Overall the changes look good. The only further change that I would suggest is to take the gear you already have in account with the rolls. What I mean by that, is that if you already have a particular item off of a boss, and you win a loot roll, you either won't have that item drop for you again or there will be a decreased chance of you getting that item again in the case of one handed melee/hunter weapons for the dual wielding folks. It sounds like they aren't interested in doing that at this point though.

Yeah, but I think it would probably take a while to mail it to you. =P Go out and buy one you lazy ***! I mean that only with the sincerest affection of course.

I can understand that. I just think it's dumb to not allow for trading of gear AND not take gear a person already has into account. If someone wins a roll, and receives loot they already have, but that someone else in the group could use, I think that's problematic.

**** yea miniskirts..i mean wait...
I would have picked yes but I was blindsided.

As long as what I get I can use for my spec, I'm down with it. Give me stuff my Class can use, not so much.

How do you know my taste so well... I'll have one grade B please


BTT, I think this is the right way. The old loot system is good for a game filled with reasonable people who are good social beings and will stop at nothing to create a healthy atmosphere where anyone can have fun. That being said, it has nothing to do with WoW (or MMOs in general). I don't say there's only FWads, because I know quite some decent people, but there are way too many idiots out there. Give people the opportunity to be a **** w/o repercussions and quite often, they WILL use the opportunity.
So yeah, good job blizzard, I can see good come from this.

LFD change is mostly positive, there is the problem of no offspec loot, but with people rolling need on anything they can (and the game not distinguishing between melee and caster dps for bonus rolls) it's not like there was a way to get offspec gear legitimately anyway. Also, for tier tokens does this mean you'll receive the spec appropriate item rather than the token?

I hope they don't bring this in for normal/heroic raids (or have the option to disable it), otherwise gearing up raid offspecs is going to be really tricky for guilds. Not to mention fights that require different numbers of tanks/healers, which would mean that your tanks/healers would gear up their main spec relatively slowly or you'd be carrying 'dead weight' on that encounter so they could roll on main spec loot.

Maybe they could have an option where you choose (maybe at the start of the raid to avoid gaming loot tables) which spec you would like to roll for, so people could play their strongest spec but still have the opportunity to gear up an alternative.

The charms idea is interesting, but I hate doing daily quests so I'm not overjoyed by that being the source. What would be cool is if you got some sort of token when you didn't win any loot (ok so I guess this is kind of like valor points...) and you could trade a suitably large number of these in for a charm from the faction of your choosing (to either get a chance for gear or vanity items). People who like dailies can still grind away for charms and lazy people like me can still play the loot lottery once in a while.

AoE looting: good change, my 5man team will certainly enjoy this and it will be handy for running old dungeons.

Valor could be a good change, there is too much focus on the points rather than the drops at the moment, with most dungeon loot being filler items until you can buy the upgrade you actually want. But they do need to make sure drops compensate for lack of purchasable gear, or for items that might not be needed by as many classes (like relics or caster shields) have some slots that can be filled by buying loot with valor points (so you can buy parts of a higher level outfit but not a full gear set and you miss out on upgrading other items) or through crafted items. It's really frustrating to have one item that just won't drop and there are no alternatives for that slot at the appropriate ilvl.

I absolutely love this idea. I feel like the biggest issue is the off spec. This solves that problem without any issues.

One addition I would put onto your idea, would be the choice to roll for crafting mats instead.

Seriously, an awesome idea. Fingers crossed the thought crosses their minds as well.