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Another newb question, Hunter class and specsFollow
Does anyone have a link that I could be directed to so I can spec out my hunter properly? I just need some sort of guidance -_-; prease?
It seems pretty self-evident these days, what kind of thing are you looking for?
Beast Mastery -- balances damage a bit more between themselves and their pet.
Marksmanship -- stronger direct damage
Survival -- a few more damage over time effects and also enhanced trap effect for mobility.
Currently MM's the best damage, but not by too much and particularly for levelling any of them is viable.
Beast Mastery -- balances damage a bit more between themselves and their pet.
Marksmanship -- stronger direct damage
Survival -- a few more damage over time effects and also enhanced trap effect for mobility.
Currently MM's the best damage, but not by too much and particularly for levelling any of them is viable.
When you have decided which spec you are taking you could look here.
Just as a disclaimer, and not to ditract from any of the good advice given thus far.:
I wouldn't stress too much about getting the spec "right" as you're leveling. Some of the different talents get better or worse as you level, and you won't come across anything you'll necessarily need the "right" spec for. Find something that powers up an ability you use, and grab it (same goes for gylphs). Once you get into the upper levels (70s, 80s or something) you can sit down and look over the websites, as the advice will probably be much more relevant to you by then. Then re-spec and re-glyph, etc.
For my money I go Marksmanship until Aimed Shot criticals start becoming less overpowered, and then switch over to Beast Mastery.
Edited, Jan 26th 2012 2:55pm by someproteinguy
I wouldn't stress too much about getting the spec "right" as you're leveling. Some of the different talents get better or worse as you level, and you won't come across anything you'll necessarily need the "right" spec for. Find something that powers up an ability you use, and grab it (same goes for gylphs). Once you get into the upper levels (70s, 80s or something) you can sit down and look over the websites, as the advice will probably be much more relevant to you by then. Then re-spec and re-glyph, etc.
For my money I go Marksmanship until Aimed Shot criticals start becoming less overpowered, and then switch over to Beast Mastery.
Edited, Jan 26th 2012 2:55pm by someproteinguy
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Thanks guys. Well I just ask. I come from FFXI type mentality and if you didn't pick the right main job and sub job you were screwed when it came to group content and such. Very cut throat. So I just don't want to spec the wrong things for what I want.
WoW has been making a big deal out of balance lately. In theory they've wanted to make all 30 specs viable (at least for casual players) in both PvE and PvP situations, as well as general leveling out in the world. They've not completely succeeded, but to be quite honest unless you're trying to be competitive on the top end of the spectrum (herioc raids, 2000+ arena rating, etc) you can pretty much play anything you want and be reasonably successful at it. Especially if you've played MMOs to some degree before.
Not to say you won't eventually want to get things 'right' but WoW is a pretty forgiving game.
Edited, Jan 26th 2012 3:57pm by someproteinguy
Not to say you won't eventually want to get things 'right' but WoW is a pretty forgiving game.
Edited, Jan 26th 2012 3:57pm by someproteinguy
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Yeah, I keep hearing WoW is a very laid back type of game. It's just hard to believe at times. I just remember first starting off in XI I wanted to play a Monk *which is a hand to hand combat close range DPS* with a sub-job of a white mage *healer type*, and unbeknowest to me, that set-up would never work.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
LillithaFenimore wrote:
Yeah, I keep hearing WoW is a very laid back type of game. It's just hard to believe at times. I just remember first starting off in XI I wanted to play a Monk *which is a hand to hand combat close range DPS* with a sub-job of a white mage *healer type*, and unbeknowest to me, that set-up would never work.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
Believe it or not a lot of players that hang on this board are former FFXI players me included. Did I enjoy my time in FFXI? of course! Do I regret it? Some times... I can put on my glasses and remember fondly Beating Dynamas lord or cop or getting that level 75 limit break done on RDM. Good times... but the price? Wasn't worth it now that I can look back at it. Anyways I could go on and on about the pros and cons of FFXI, but this is the Wow fourms so lets talk about that!
Wow is huge, there are people that are just starting out and have to put up with guys like this: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3967587354 So it isn't just FFXI, you meet the hardcore everywhere. (And believe me the hardcore of wow make FFXI's look like a joke) I didn't matter what game I played I all came down to the people you meet and play with in game, so find yourself a guild you mesh very well with and you will be fine :) Wow has dungeon finders and such, so random grouping can give you a bad taste in your mouth if your still pretty new. Just don't let it get to you. Any MMO you play now you will always compare it to the first and always think the first was better :P
coming late to this dance...
Which spec you choose can depend on your type of play. I solo, and my personal belief is that marksmanship is the best choice for the solitary hunter while leveling because it deals the most damage. Beast mastery is a great second. The very best pets like tyrannosaurs and core hounds are only available to high-end beastmastery adepts. Once you get above 80 where you'll eventually have to pay in groups, explosive shot makes Survival a good main choice. Remember, your choice is not irrevocable. You can always change specs for a few gold pieces and a few minutes reworking your bar(s).
More importantly, whichever you choose, you need to be careful to avoid a dumb mistake I made on my current main. In my quest for the best armor/gear, I forgot to pay attention to ability buffs, specifically gear that would eventually enhance my actual damage effectiveness. I wound up with level 348 gear that was mostly more appropriate to a priest than a hunter. Half an hour at the AH and 3000 or so gp more or less fixed the problem but if I'd been paying attention it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Which spec you choose can depend on your type of play. I solo, and my personal belief is that marksmanship is the best choice for the solitary hunter while leveling because it deals the most damage. Beast mastery is a great second. The very best pets like tyrannosaurs and core hounds are only available to high-end beastmastery adepts. Once you get above 80 where you'll eventually have to pay in groups, explosive shot makes Survival a good main choice. Remember, your choice is not irrevocable. You can always change specs for a few gold pieces and a few minutes reworking your bar(s).
More importantly, whichever you choose, you need to be careful to avoid a dumb mistake I made on my current main. In my quest for the best armor/gear, I forgot to pay attention to ability buffs, specifically gear that would eventually enhance my actual damage effectiveness. I wound up with level 348 gear that was mostly more appropriate to a priest than a hunter. Half an hour at the AH and 3000 or so gp more or less fixed the problem but if I'd been paying attention it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Devildawgs wrote:
LillithaFenimore wrote:
Yeah, I keep hearing WoW is a very laid back type of game. It's just hard to believe at times. I just remember first starting off in XI I wanted to play a Monk *which is a hand to hand combat close range DPS* with a sub-job of a white mage *healer type*, and unbeknowest to me, that set-up would never work.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
The way the job/subjob system worked was that you would only get half the benefit of the secondary job. Meaning you would get some stat boosts and some spells. Say you were a 50 monk your sub job would be level 25 and you could only use spells and abilities at level 25 for that sub job.
And getting into a party was frustrating at times because you would sit around for hours if you didn't create your own group, then you would have to pick up certian jobs that could handle certian camps, and then you had to pray that the camps weren't filled.
Then endgame was really cut throat. Not only could you not bring jobs you wanted to in end game, but you would be required to have certiian sub jobs leveled. For example, White Mage which was a fantastic healer, as far as I know, didn't see much end game, you would need a Red Mage, due to the spell "refresh" which replenished a certian mp/per tick, and I think that many would have to have subjob Dark Knight, and certian weapons...and blah...
Enough to make my head hurt and never want to do end game EVER.
So when people say "it's a forgiving game", it's truly hard to believe sometimes.
Believe it or not a lot of players that hang on this board are former FFXI players me included. Did I enjoy my time in FFXI? of course! Do I regret it? Some times... I can put on my glasses and remember fondly Beating Dynamas lord or cop or getting that level 75 limit break done on RDM. Good times... but the price? Wasn't worth it now that I can look back at it. Anyways I could go on and on about the pros and cons of FFXI, but this is the Wow fourms so lets talk about that!
Wow is huge, there are people that are just starting out and have to put up with guys like this: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3967587354 So it isn't just FFXI, you meet the hardcore everywhere. (And believe me the hardcore of wow make FFXI's look like a joke) I didn't matter what game I played I all came down to the people you meet and play with in game, so find yourself a guild you mesh very well with and you will be fine :) Wow has dungeon finders and such, so random grouping can give you a bad taste in your mouth if your still pretty new. Just don't let it get to you. Any MMO you play now you will always compare it to the first and always think the first was better :P
Those guys are just douche bags. I'm mostly discussing end game things like Dynamis. I've never done them because of the multiple subjobs needed to do stuff like that. I wanted a game to play with my husband and just do main quests, but even getting help to do main quests was a chore.
Thankfully I have a close friend I will be playing with or getting help from :) So no skin off my back in that aspect. I can just level and enjoy at my own pace :)...instead on someone else's watch o.o;
I played a Dragoon/Bard back in the day. Not a very common class combo at all, but while levelling up I made it work. Get me in a group with a main bard and I could cover one of the buff songs that didn't scale with level (I wanna say the first mana regen one? It's been seven years since I quit) letting them sing a third. The downside was getting folks to give me a chance. Once I got a group things would be fine for a couple of weeks but then they'd outlevel me and I'd need to convince a new group of people that I may have had a bad case of Snowflake Syndrome but I was actually competent.
WoW was a breath of fresh air.
WoW was a breath of fresh air.
I'm a big fan of Beast Mastery while leveling. I find that making your pet stronger, makes leveling a lot easier. Not that leveling in WoW is particularly difficult.
Devildawgs wrote:
Wow has dungeon finders and such, so random grouping can give you a bad taste in your mouth if your still pretty new. Just don't let it get to you. Any MMO you play now you will always compare it to the first and always think the first was better :P
The trick with random dungeons is not to take it personally. At same point,you'll probably do something stupid and cause a wipe or get lost or whatever. Most of the time, even a random group will just shrug it off - they've done themselves. Once in a while you'll get some snotty teen who gets his rocks off by criticizing others. Unlikely, but you might even be kicked out of a group at some point. Remember that these random groups are drawn from multiple servers, and the odds are long that you won't see them again for a long time, if ever.
The thing is play the best you can, try to understand what you're doing so you can do it better, then if something "bad" happens, treat it like 'dying' in the game. Shrug it off, put it aside and move on . Use the jerks to learn how NOT to play. There'll always be griefers. Ignore 'em and move on.
Ollamnh wrote:
I solo, and my personal belief is...
Just wanted to say it's a pleasure to meet another soloer.
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Intellectually honest, not politically correct
Ollamnh wrote:
Devildawgs wrote:
Wow has dungeon finders and such, so random grouping can give you a bad taste in your mouth if your still pretty new. Just don't let it get to you. Any MMO you play now you will always compare it to the first and always think the first was better :P
The trick with random dungeons is not to take it personally. At same point,you'll probably do something stupid and cause a wipe or get lost or whatever. Most of the time, even a random group will just shrug it off - they've done themselves. Once in a while you'll get some snotty teen who gets his rocks off by criticizing others. Unlikely, but you might even be kicked out of a group at some point. Remember that these random groups are drawn from multiple servers, and the odds are long that you won't see them again for a long time, if ever.
The thing is play the best you can, try to understand what you're doing so you can do it better, then if something "bad" happens, treat it like 'dying' in the game. Shrug it off, put it aside and move on . Use the jerks to learn how NOT to play. There'll always be griefers. Ignore 'em and move on.
I comment a lot that ventrillo helps, reminds me that the people behind the other characters ARE people and makes it easier to laugh off goofs. I unintentionally tolerate a lot more slop from a guild run than I do a pug. Not that one can insist everyone hop on voice chat for a run, but it's still good to keep in mind.
Also, if someone in a LFD group is a real jerk to you, or just a really bad player, if they've said anything in party chat or say chat, you can right click their name and choose to ignore them. Then you will never be grouped with that character again. For whatever reason, you can't do it via the party or target ui.
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Also, if someone in a LFD group is a real jerk to you, or just a really bad player, if they've said anything in party chat or say chat, you can right click their name and choose to ignore them. Then you will never be grouped with that character again. For whatever reason, you can't do it via the party or target ui.
I think you can also do it via manually typing in an ignore command, which can get tedious if they've got a strange character in the name.
As an invertebrate hunter - I think I have over a dozen - I like Beastmastery for my playstyle. I mostly solo and the extra pet survivability helps a lot.
I find Noxxic a useful site for info on specs/gems etc. It is by no means as exhaustive as EJ but a lot easier to read.
When you get to the stage of fine-tuning there is an excellent spreadsheep tool that Aethien always pushes called Female Dwarf. I don't have the link but its about somewhere. It can't be that hard to find if its for hunters
And if you spec it all wrong there is nothing to stop you re-speccing when you feel like it. WoW is a very forgiving game.
I find Noxxic a useful site for info on specs/gems etc. It is by no means as exhaustive as EJ but a lot easier to read.
When you get to the stage of fine-tuning there is an excellent spreadsheep tool that Aethien always pushes called Female Dwarf. I don't have the link but its about somewhere. It can't be that hard to find if its for hunters
And if you spec it all wrong there is nothing to stop you re-speccing when you feel like it. WoW is a very forgiving game.
Wherever I go - there I am.
Quote:
As an invertebrate hunter ...
Maybe he meant "inveterate ".
Otherwise I'm at a loss.
Otherwise I'm at a loss.
Between that one and
excellent spreadsheep tool
I think I'll exit stage left
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 10:46am by Gwenorgan
Quote:
excellent spreadsheep tool
I think I'll exit stage left
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 10:46am by Gwenorgan
Quote:
spreadsheep
Wait, that wasn't just a Scots joke?
Cobra101 wrote:
As an invertebrate hunter ...
spreadsheep
spreadsheep
So is that hunting for animals without backbones?
Or hunting animals then ripping out their spines?
Are these animals more docile (eg: spreadsheep) afterwards for further unusual activity?
Inquiring minds....
PvP Hunter who does arena with a Mage, duh.
Rapecleave vs spreadsheep, why not?
Rapecleave vs spreadsheep, why not?
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
TherealLogros wrote:
Maybe he meant "inveterate ".
Otherwise I'm at a loss.
Otherwise I'm at a loss.
Didn't you know? Blizzard is planning a new release where the "continental' mass is in effect a huge extra-Azerothial (equivalent to extraterrestrial) spider web and the players (the Arachnen) really ARE invertebrates. He's probably gotten hold of an in-house pre-Beta.
Is thee a more recent release of Female Dwarf? I tried to use it as an analyzer tool, but it doesn't recognize a lot of my gear.
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