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#1 Jan 21 2012 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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Hi Everyone,

As some of you may have noticed I am new to WoW, very new, but I am catching on pretty well. I was just recently invited to join a guild, and, for some reason, I am not liking it. They are really nice people, and the guild master is really cool (I accidentally ran into him in Iron-forge and he bought me gear and gave me some gold [I didn't ask him to do that]). An one last thing, there are close to a hundred members in the guild.

So what am I not liking about this guild? No one ever talks, which is because no one is ever online. I am looking for a more social guild. One where players probably talk more than play, and play more at a leisurely level. I also would like to see the guild be more active. Why am I bringing all this up? because of a follow up question: Are most guilds in WoW like this, and would you quit and try to find another guild if you were in my position?

If there needs to be any other information you'd like to know please just add.

Thanks to all who answer!

{EDIT}

What i mean by "active" ion the second paragraph is that the guild on-a-whole does things together. I do not mean active in the sense of doing a mandatory x-amount of raids a day.

Edited, Jan 21st 2012 3:57pm by ovshanevo
#2 Jan 21 2012 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're not liking it, leave. Guilds themselves are a dime a dozen... the right guild with the right amount of "activity" that fits your desires, that's going to be harder to find and you can only do that by changing around... I've got 3 characters in a guild where other than the raiding core the other 500 (I'm sure lots are alts) are almost never online. Activity only pops up around raid times... But that doesn't bother me, my other 7 characters are 4 in one private guild and 3 of them solo guild-leaders with 3 tab banks for mats storage... need to level first aid? the mats are in the bank... cooking? mats in the bank....

I socialize with others, you can set up a "private" channel to talk to friends whether you're in a guild or not, we all have so many alts that just by joining that private channel we know it's friends and chat away regardless of guild affiliation. But most of my in-game time is solo achievement gathering etc, regardless of what the guild is doing.

That one guild with 4 of my own in it? It will ding a level from my own efforts hopefully this weekend.
#3 Jan 21 2012 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
It's hard to say whether most guilds in WoW are like that, because I haven't been in most guilds. My guild has its quiet times, even when there's lots of people on. Some people suck at multi-tasking. If you want a more social guild, go to your realm forums on battle.net and ask around for one.
#4 Jan 21 2012 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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I was in that boat a while back. My server/guild were not meeting my needs. Part of it was my server was two hours later in time zone than me.

I basically abandoned a level 77 hunter and level 66 mage to start over in another realm in my own time zone. An unattached player will usually get lots of invitations, I just started asking those who invited me (whisper in game) about their guild and my goals - a large guild, mature players or play style, supportive, social, and interested in raiding. Found one I liked - immensely - and couldn't be happier. Someone's always on line, often 25 or more, ranging from beginners to well skilled 85s. Lots of side chatter, attaboys, and someone willing to help if you're in a bind on a quest or dungeon. (**)

So, my advice would be GO FOR IT! if you like the server, fine, just quit the guild. If neither fits your need, start over. leveling doesn't ake that long and you'll be that much more experienced when you "catch up"

(***) Not proselytizing, but FWIW, my Guild is Horde Guardian on the Quel'dorei realm
#5 Jan 22 2012 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ollamnh wrote:
An unattached player will usually get lots of invitations...


That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.
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#6 Jan 22 2012 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Lady Azalysa wrote:
Ollamnh wrote:
An unattached player will usually get lots of invitations...


That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.


Why are you rejecting them all? A good guild can make the game much better, not only for help with quests and dungeons but also providing social interaction, especially for those of us who don't have a steady group of friends to play with. Most guilds pay for your repairs, which is of no consequence after a while but can be significant in those poverty-stricken lower levels. They also often give you buffs like extra speed when mounted.

I understand about the sales client alt. Mine has now moved into position to start leveling (currently L24) but even when he was just hanging around the AH, I figured a guild had more pluses than minuses. Just contact a guildie and ask them to invite your alt.
#7 Jan 23 2012 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ollamnh wrote:
Lady Azalysa wrote:
Ollamnh wrote:
An unattached player will usually get lots of invitations...


That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.


Why are you rejecting them all? A good guild can make the game much better, not only for help with quests and dungeons but also providing social interaction, especially for those of us who don't have a steady group of friends to play with. Most guilds pay for your repairs, which is of no consequence after a while but can be significant in those poverty-stricken lower levels. They also often give you buffs like extra speed when mounted.


It's a matter of play style preference. I am a lifelong "soloer" and prefer to either solo or group up with one to 3 other people that have become friends in game. I don't need a lot of social interaction to enjoy the game - especially here in WoW I find the quests and various NPCs a hoot in and of themselves. I'm not into dungeons, raids, or leveling quickly, so guilds with those goals are out.

During my years in EQ (began in 1999) I have been in 3 guilds total, all of which invited me - I have yet to go looking for a guild...lol. When I was invited to the first guild in EQ, I didn't even know what a guild was. EQ was still very new, the high level limit was 55, everyone was learning together, so I did learn quite a bit by just listening to guild chat in the first guild. It was a smallish family guild (and by family I do mean family - many parents & their children were in the guild). However, there was always some drama going on. After about 4 years I was invited to a second guild by some people I had met while out soloing. It was a slightly larger guild, still "family" in nature, but no drama. I was in it until it pretty much dissolved when SWG and EQII came out. I eventually left EQ for 3 years.

Returned to EQ last summer, was interested in transferring to the FV server so I created a new character there to see if I liked the server before transferring over. First day in tutorial I'm invited to a guild. After talking to the GL, telling her my preferred play style, etc. I joined. This guild has over 800 players on the roster, the majority of whom have not signed in for 1-3 years. This guild seems to have the philosophy of inviting most anyone and then its up to the individual how they want to be involved...or not. At one point I spoke with the GL (who is a wonderful person and leader) and said I felt guilty that I wasn't really contributing anything to the guild in the way of being involved in grouping, raiding, etc. The GL said that there were many people in the guild who soloed, played sporadically, etc. and they enjoyed me being there. Thus the only reason I am still in that guild.

I may eventually join a guild in WoW, a very casual, non-raiding type of guild, but for now, I'm enjoying the game immensely without being in one.


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#8 Jan 23 2012 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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but for now, I'm enjoying the game immensely without being in one.


Consider joining a guild. Changes to the guild system added an XP bonus, speedier hearths and other things. If you aren't in a guild, you're hamstringing yourself. I don't know the game environment on your servers, but on our servers there are guilds that are there mainly for those who are leveling.
#9 Jan 23 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rhodekylle wrote:
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but for now, I'm enjoying the game immensely without being in one.


Consider joining a guild. Changes to the guild system added an XP bonus, speedier hearths and other things. If you aren't in a guild, you're hamstringing yourself. I don't know the game environment on your servers, but on our servers there are guilds that are there mainly for those who are leveling.


Interestingly, there seem to be many variations on the guild theme. Some stress leveling to the extreme of deliberately gearing up newbies and dragging them through tougher content. Some really only care about Raiding and heroics and pretty much just tolerate you until you get up far enough to join them. Others are purely social - chat groups, basically. Thinking back to the early days of the web and earlier services like Compuserve, I sometimes cynically wonder if there might be a guild or two out there dedicated to more 'personal' types of socializing.

What I think makes a good guild are:
1) big enough that someone experienced is usually online;
2) willing to help members with information and advice as well as a willingness to help each other through tough spots in the game.
3) Supportive, acknowledgment of achievements
4) Leadership who still play and care about what they're doing.
5) Mature, tolerant members (mature as in play style, not player age)

Just my personal opinion, but I think a good guild can really enhance the WoW experience
#10 Jan 23 2012 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
By more "personal" types of socializing, are you meaning like ERPing? AKA erotic roleplay. Or am I just reading too much into that?
#11 Jan 24 2012 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ollamnh wrote:
Rhodekylle wrote:
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but for now, I'm enjoying the game immensely without being in one.


Consider joining a guild. Changes to the guild system added an XP bonus, speedier hearths and other things. If you aren't in a guild, you're hamstringing yourself. I don't know the game environment on your servers, but on our servers there are guilds that are there mainly for those who are leveling.


Interestingly, there seem to be many variations on the guild theme. Some stress leveling to the extreme of deliberately gearing up newbies and dragging them through tougher content. Some really only care about Raiding and heroics and pretty much just tolerate you until you get up far enough to join them. Others are purely social - chat groups, basically. Thinking back to the early days of the web and earlier services like Compuserve, I sometimes cynically wonder if there might be a guild or two out there dedicated to more 'personal' types of socializing.

What I think makes a good guild are:
1) big enough that someone experienced is usually online;
2) willing to help members with information and advice as well as a willingness to help each other through tough spots in the game.
3) Supportive, acknowledgment of achievements
4) Leadership who still play and care about what they're doing.
5) Mature, tolerant members (mature as in play style, not player age)

Just my personal opinion, but I think a good guild can really enhance the WoW experience


If/when I join a WoW guild, this list would be what I would be looking for. Re: earlier chat services, I began in the early '80's on IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Anyone ever used it? The "Granddaddy" of all chat programs, it is actually still very much alive and active. Two friends I met in a rp channel there were who invited me to play EQ in 1999. Because I had been so steeped in chat venues and never heard of an MMORPG prior, I approached EQ as a chat venue with a bit of fighting thrown in here and there. Smiley: grin After I took a 3 year hiatus from EQ, I continued on in this IRC rp channel (we had never left, just added EQ). Almost 4 years ago a visitor came to our channel and told us about SecondLife. At first we told him that we (a small group of friends) had been together for 15 years on this channel (the second oldest of its rp genre on IRC), we preferred text chat format, and were not looking to change. I was curious about SL, so I checked it out and eventually the entire group took our rp to SL and the rest is history.

Re: guilds - My first EQ guild talked about all kinds of things in guild chat, not just game related. We were also very active on our website forums which were sometimes more fun to read than being in game. Many EQ weddings within guild; in fact, EQ weddings in general were a big thing back in the day. GMs would actually come to "officiate." In my second guild I became friends with several people on a RL basis outside of game. Jump ahead to my current EQ guild and those that are the most active in guild chat are generally just "gratzing" each other on level dings, linking some new equipment for "attaboys," wanting to know how much damage x weapon will do vs. y weapon. For me, my eyes just start glazing over. About that time I turn off guild chat and continue doing my thing.
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#12 Jan 24 2012 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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There are guilds out there with more 'active' guild chat that often have 10-20+ members online most of the time. It's not always easy to tell ahead of time though, whether or not a guild is like this. Even if you find one that is pretty active, a few months down the line might find you wondering where everyone went. This often happens between content patches when people get bored with the new stuff and go spend time on other games. My guild is currently in one of those phases because most of the main raiding group is currently obsessed with the new Star Wars MMO.

Sometimes, even if there are a lot of people online, no one talks in guild chat. This often happens simply because a lot of us don't really talk much unless someone else starts the conversation. If you can see there are a lot of members online, try out a topic in guild chat and see if anyone responds.



Oh - and for those who don't like being in a guild or who don't want to deal with the spammed invites on an alt they would rather just be alone on - just make your own private guild. It only takes 5 signatures so just go ask in trade offering some gold for starter signatures for a bank guild. Many people do this and so it's usually no big deal to them when they sign a charter and get removed from the newly started guild. I have heard of some people who keep their bank alts unguilded so they can make some easy gold by signing charters and then leaving as soon as it forms so they can go sign another one. Personal guilds don't level fast but if you put all (or most) of your characters into it, it will gain a level or two in time. My own personal bank/alt guild is level 7 (I think) now.

Edited, Jan 24th 2012 8:27am by morghast
#13 Jan 24 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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morghast wrote:
Oh - and for those who don't like being in a guild or who don't want to deal with the spammed invites on an alt they would rather just be alone on - just make your own private guild. It only takes 5 signatures so just go ask in trade offering some gold for starter signatures for a bank guild. Many people do this and so it's usually no big deal to them when they sign a charter and get removed from the newly started guild. I have heard of some people who keep their bank alts unguilded so they can make some easy gold by signing charters and then leaving as soon as it forms so they can go sign another one. Personal guilds don't level fast but if you put all (or most) of your characters into it, it will gain a level or two in time. My own personal bank/alt guild is level 7 (I think) now.


I was thinking of doing just that, then a friend of mine told me about needing signatures. If I can pay 5 people to sign up then that idea would definitely appeal to me. Is there any number of characters that have to be kept in guild. I just have two atm, but could create a few more if needed. Thank you for that suggestion. Smiley: smile
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#14 Jan 24 2012 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have 2 personal guilds for the bank storage with only the guild leader in them.
I have to invite a friend to be able to invite my own characters to it though, as I don't seem to be able to invite and accept if I log out while the invite is open (using one account)
#15 Jan 24 2012 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Pigtails, you need to call me. We think exactly alike. ERP FTL though. That is just creepy to me. I mean, I can get my mind around phone sex, or even chat sex, but pretending to be a night elf that should be killing hordes of twilight's hammer who is instead shagging in Darnassus's bushes... it is a bit much for me.
#16 Jan 24 2012 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
Actually you only need 4 signatures. You count as a fifth. I have a guild for my bank alt, but the purpose of that was more so I could have a larger bank. The first two slots are pretty affordable really. I forget how much the first one was, but the second was only 500g.

@Moonkissed: Okay, what do you want me to call you? Smiley: grin
#17 Jan 24 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Moonkissed wrote:
Pigtails, you need to call me. We think exactly alike. ERP FTL though. That is just creepy to me. I mean, I can get my mind around phone sex, or even chat sex, but pretending to be a night elf that should be killing hordes of twilight's hammer who is instead shagging in Darnassus's bushes... it is a bit much for me.


#18 Jan 24 2012 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
Would it be difficult for anyone to believe that I used to have that as my text message alert?

In fact, this one time I was in class with a real hard *** professor. I had forgotten to turn my phone on silent and someone sent me a text while she was lecturing. The rest of the students started busting up laughing as I, red-faced, struggled to find my phone and shut it up. I apologized to the professor, and she smiled and replied "Oh that's all right. I think you've been punished enough."

Yes, Pigtails is capable of blushing and getting embarrassed. It just doesn't happen often lol.
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Moonkissed wrote:
Pigtails, you need to call me. We think exactly alike. ERP FTL though. That is just creepy to me. I mean, I can get my mind around phone sex, or even chat sex, but pretending to be a night elf that should be killing hordes of twilight's hammer who is instead shagging in Darnassus's bushes... it is a bit much for me.


Haven't you ever been in Goldshire's inn on a Saturday nite?? Smiley: wink
#20 Jan 24 2012 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
Lady Azalysa wrote:

That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.

Do any of the offers include a sign-up fee paid? If so, sign the charter, get your gold and /gquit.
#21 Jan 24 2012 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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bgredsox wrote:
Lady Azalysa wrote:

That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.

Do any of the offers include a sign-up fee paid? If so, sign the charter, get your gold and /gquit.


No, these are whispered invitations and when I say "Thank you but I'm not looking for a guild atm" the person generally just says "Thank you."
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#22 Jan 24 2012 at 9:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Chances are you won't want to deal with those who randomly invite whoever they see just because they are unguilded anyway. You know as soon as the invite lands that they ... don't ask what your personal ambitions are for the game... leveling.. turning off XP from time to time as you go to experience zones AT the intended level instead of going back and overpowering everything.... that they don't "know" the quality / ability of those they're inviting etc.

I've wound up in a couple decent guilds temporarily while waiting for my friend to be on so he could invite them to my guild but the 50 members joining and 30 leaving on a daily basis or leveling a bit, and ditching without "returning the favour" of lower level dungeon runs etc just wore on my patience, much happier in my solo guild most of the time :P
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Gwenorgan wrote:
Chances are you won't want to deal with those who randomly invite whoever they see just because they are unguilded anyway. You know as soon as the invite lands that they ... don't ask what your personal ambitions are for the game... leveling.. turning off XP from time to time as you go to experience zones AT the intended level instead of going back and overpowering everything.... that they don't "know" the quality / ability of those they're inviting etc.


EXACTLY!!
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#24 Jan 25 2012 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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Lady Azalysa wrote:
Ollamnh wrote:
An unattached player will usually get lots of invitations...


That's the truth!! I get on average 2 guild invitations each segment of time I spend in game and that's after selecting the option to not get guild invitations. A friend told me that stops automated requests so the ones I'm getting are from actual people. My level 5 AH alt even gets invitations.


Most of the ones I get on unguilded characters are automated. There are addons that will broadcast to all players in a given range and invite at the same time. The option setting only stops the invite box from popping up.

The majority are moronic, mis-spelled and totally unattractive even if I wanted a guild with that character. frequently they hit several times an hour to the stage where I put the broadcaster on ignore.

I think this is why there are so many guilds with a goodish number of members that never do anything. They accept the invite - if only to stop the invite spam - with no real interest in doing anything with the guild.

And for the person who said "Why not accept" I'm pretty damned sure that a guild that invites me without knowing the first thing about me isn't something I'd want to join.

The old ways of doing a dungeon together, seeing someone was competent and/or fun then inviting them are probably consigned to memory in these days of LFD/LFR.

To paraphrase Groucho Marx "I wouldn't want to join any guild that would have me as a member" Smiley: smile
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#25 Jan 25 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guild etiquette? Suppose you meet a player in a pug or random setting and like the way they work. Is it proper to inquire whether the like their current guild and they don't, invite them to switch allegiance?
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You can ask, I have before, most are quite happy where they are IE my 2 private guild leaders aren't going anywhere because i'd have to shuffle other characters through and maybe start another RAF account to get someone in there to hold it, but no objections to 'Friending' and grouping up to run dungeons down the road either, yeah with the "guild" benefits it may make more sense to guild up to do so but... so be it.

I still talk to "friends" that I met while we were questing in the same spot entirely randomly, 4 or 5 years on we'll still go run dungeons and the like.
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