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#77 Dec 20 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
They aren't "stuck" in HoT heroics. But, they are at a disadvantage if they don't choose Random Cataclysm Heroic, since they don't get the VP.

I'm not sure that the random heroic queue works the way Lyr says it does, simply from the fact that I haven't been running random heroics, I've been running random HoT heroics so I can get the quests done. And I haven't been playing much since I got the quests done. But if he's right, I think he has a fair point. There's a separate queue for HoT heroics, if people want to run those, they should use that queue. Blizz shouldn't be putting people in HoT heroics if they select the random cata heroics.
#78 Dec 20 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
It does consider items in your bank or your bags Cobra. So unfortunately, you could be at a higher ilvl then you should be, especially if you have a set of pvp gear that you don't use for pve.
#79 Dec 20 2011 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Random Cataclysm heroics are separated from random HoT heroics, just like the Zandalari heroics were before the patch. You can't get into a random HoT heroic by queuing up for a random Cataclysm heroic and vice versa.

To get into HoT heroics, you need to

1) Have a high enough gear level
2) Queue up for them specifically

I'm ilvl 380 right now and I've never, ever gotten a HoT heroic when I queued up for a random Cataclysm heroic.
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#80REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I love how people BYPASSED what I said about the GEM and HIT comments..
#81 Dec 20 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
Random Cataclysm heroics are separated from random HoT heroics, just like the Zandalari heroics were before the patch. You can't get into a random HoT heroic by queuing up for a random Cataclysm heroic and vice versa.

To get into HoT heroics, you need to

1) Have a high enough gear level
2) Queue up for them specifically

I'm ilvl 380 right now and I've never, ever gotten a HoT heroic when I queued up for a random Cataclysm heroic.


Um, No.

You get HoT Heroics from Qing up for "Random Cataclysm Heroic" (if you have a certain I-level, 353 I think?).

You DO NOT have to Queue up for "Random Hour of Twilight Heroic" or whatever that tier is called.

Hence the whole reason players don't like this new LFD system.

Don't Believe me?

Hit "I" in-game, select "Random Cataclysm Heroic" and mouse-over the Dice Icon.

It will say:

Dungeons included in this queue:

Note that it DOES list End Time, Well of Eternity and the other one I can't remember the name of.

Edited, Dec 20th 2011 12:27pm by Lyrailis
#82 Dec 20 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:


Um, No.

You get HoT Heroics from Qing up for "Random Cataclysm Heroic" (if you have a certain I-level, 353 I think?).



Sadly that's true. I queued up maybe 12 times since 4.3 for Random Cataclysm Heroic and I got into one of the new ones EVERY time.
No, I didn't check the wrong selection and queued for HoT HCs. I did each of those once for the questrewards and after that was very careful not to select them. Not because I could not finish them. But because I just wanted to do the other dungeons which give the same reward.
And despite the fact that I didn't want to do them I was forced to do them every single time. Okay I could have eaten the Deserter Debuff but as a DD my waiting time sucks enough as it is.

That's what the complaint is here.
Giving the HoT HCs a seperate Queue while rewarding the same amount of Gold/VP was a nice idea. But why include them in the other queue then? It just doesn't make any sense and can get highly annoying.
#83 Dec 20 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love how people BYPASSED what I said about the GEM and HIT comments..

The point was that you are in know way qualified to give advice if (1) you tell DPS to stick half-Stamina gems in blue sockets, (2) you don't even know what the proper hit caps are, and (3) you don't bother to mention reforging. The average poster here is reasonably well-informed, so ranting while giving bad information makes you look like a fool.
#84 Dec 20 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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TherealLogros wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:


Um, No.

You get HoT Heroics from Qing up for "Random Cataclysm Heroic" (if you have a certain I-level, 353 I think?).



Sadly that's true.


Color me surprised then. My bad. I've just never seen it happen.
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#85 Dec 20 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:


Smiley: mad

DarkPoet wrote:
1. Ret pally - Strength gems in red, strength/crit in yellow, strength/stam blue
2. Rogue/hunter/enh shammy - agi in red, agi/cit in yellow, agi/stam blue
3. Warrior/DK- Strength gems in red, str/crit yellow, str/stam blue
4. Mage/priest/lock/eleshammy- Intel red, intel/haste yellow, intel/stam blue


You generally don't put stamina gems in blue sockets. Stamina increases your DPS by 0. You gem strength and hit, or agility and hit, or intellect and hit, or intellect and spirit if you're a healer.

The only except is if you're tanking, but even then, you'll either want to go for pure stamina or some defensive stat, like dodge, mastery or parry.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 8:08pm by Mazra



I also took issue with this.... Paly is not Gemmed that way.

Generally you put Red in everything unless the Bonus slot is +20 Str. (I'm assuming people are using Blue Quality Gems - not epic)

#86REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How is it BAD info if it will help them?! Plus MELEE hit cap was right and I mentioned i was off about the caster hit. I'm sorry if your failing to read is my problem. Also learn the flipping difference between NO and KNOW. Also whats a better slot to fill a BLUE SLOT with if you don't want to loose the RED gem bonus ALL MELEE DPS HAVE IN THE HELM? Maybe if you thought about 3 steps ahead you wouldn't be QQing now.
#87REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 12:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And I didn't say PUT PURE STAM GEMS in I said the Strength/stam gem which means Strength combined with stam so you don't loose your bonuses. LEARN TO READ!
#88REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 12:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So what would you all put into a blue gem as dps for warriors/dk/pallies in order to raise your dps?
#89 Dec 20 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Caps lock makes you more right. Srsly.





You're still wrong though.
#90 Dec 20 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know about you but I use +40 or +20/20 Cata gems instead of +20 or +10/10 Wrath gems. That might have something to do with it.
#91 Dec 20 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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DarkPoet2011 wrote:
Say your slot bonus is +10 strength...

So you put a RED 20 strength in a blue slot yes you get 20 strength... but if you loose the bonus

Now you put a PURPLE 10 Strength/10 Stam you gain your slot bonus which puts you at now 30 strength...
You also fail at very basic math.
#92 Dec 20 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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DarkPoet2011 wrote:
How is it BAD info if it will help them?! Plus MELEE hit cap was right and I mentioned i was off about the caster hit. I'm sorry if your failing to read is my problem. Also learn the flipping difference between NO and KNOW. Also whats a better slot to fill a BLUE SLOT with if you don't want to loose the RED gem bonus ALL MELEE DPS HAVE IN THE HELM? Maybe if you thought about 3 steps ahead you wouldn't be QQing now.


My ret paladin has a str/hit gem in the blue socket in her helm. And a couple other blue sockets to get the +20 str bonus. I just reforged some hit off a piece of gear to balance out. For yellow sockets I use the str/mastery.

You can get defensive and rude all you want, but why would you even bother posting this "guide" if you knew some of the information was wrong? Instead of being condescending and giving bad advice to slightly improve gameplay, you could have taken the time to help players learn the correct way to gear. Telling dps to use stamina gems is going to make them look stupid which will likely end up in ridicule and vote kicking, which you claim you are trying to avoid.

Edited, Dec 20th 2011 1:19pm by Tellaria
#93 Dec 20 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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For someone with 28 posts - your doing it wrong.

Things that are wrong with this post:

1. Title sounds jerky
2. OP claims level of expertise not demonstrated elsewhere
3. OP (Expert) gives information that's not really 100% accurate
4. OP (Expert) leaves out one of the cheapest forms of buffing gear (Reforging)
5. OP (Expert) leaves out another cheap form of buffing (Chants)
6. OP (Expert) leaves out the cheapest form of buff (Food) 90 STR food is way cheaper than 2 STR gems (plus 90>80)
7. OP argues with readers after readers question OP's "Expert" status.
8. OP response to criticism by loudly WRITING IN CAPITALS.




*Edit:

Here's the Math ~

Gear: Two Sockets (Red/Yellow) Bonus +10 STR

Easy answer: Put two Red Gems in it.
Answer if you must get a yellow (For Mata): Go with a STR/Mastery or STR/Hit or whatever your next best stat is
Answer if you want the set bonus: You are wrong. Losing 10 STR to gain 20 Mastery (Example) is a bad trade. *I'm Ret


Gear: Two Sockets (Red/Yellow) Bonus +20 STR
Easy Answer: Match the socket bonus. 40 STR (Red) + 20 STR/20 MST (Orange) + 20 STR (Bonus) is a net gain of 20 Mastery over simply Straight gemming Reds.



*Also - No one gems for Stamina. Occasionally you'll see a tank with some Mastery/Stamina or Dodge/Stamina to meet a Meta or bonus requirement, but even for tanks it's not 100% needed. Advising a DPS to use Stamina - Ever - is not wise.



Edited, Dec 20th 2011 1:36pm by Borsuk
#94 Dec 20 2011 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tellaria wrote:
DarkPoet2011 wrote:
How is it BAD info if it will help them?! Plus MELEE hit cap was right and I mentioned i was off about the caster hit. I'm sorry if your failing to read is my problem. Also learn the flipping difference between NO and KNOW. Also whats a better slot to fill a BLUE SLOT with if you don't want to loose the RED gem bonus ALL MELEE DPS HAVE IN THE HELM? Maybe if you thought about 3 steps ahead you wouldn't be QQing now.


My ret paladin has a str/hit gem in the blue socket in her helm. And a couple other blue sockets to get the +20 str bonus. I just reforged some hit off a piece of gear to balance out. For yellow sockets I use the str/mastery.


Yeah, I was wonder why this wasn't listed as an option in the OP anywhere.

Anyway...

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#95 Dec 20 2011 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
Tyrande is a ***** to heal if people don't interrupt the Stardust and keep standing in the Moonlance, or whatever the stun thing is called.

Jaina is hilariously easy, as is Sylvanas if you know how to move out of stuff on the ground and kill the marked target. The Tauren leader guy is tough if you don't/can't dispel the debuff. It's mildly annoying if people have low DPS and he breaks all the platforms (protip: he drops a totem which can be thrown back at him for massive damage and a stun).

Those are the only bosses in there, right? Jaina, Tyrande, Sylvanas and Tauren guy.

Murozond/Nozdormu is easy as well, if you have decent DPS and someone knows when the use the hourglass. Rule of thumb: use it if someone dies or at four/five stacks of the debuff (that everyone receives). Unless the tank pops cooldowns or has sicko gear, five stacks will bring him dangerously low on the next breath hit. Since the hourglass resets all cooldowns when used (except pet cooldowns, for some reason), there's no reason not to use it a lot.


Even with good interrupts, there's a lot of movement for the healer on Tyrande (unless you stand in the water and eat a double-cast-time debuff). Sylvanas has several abilities that will randomly target someone other than the tank, while Baine is a tank and spank, and Jaina you just have to dodge the ice blades and stomp on the flare cores.

As for actually learning the encounters, it's pretty easy. You ask before the pull. If you wipe, you try and figure out what went wrong. Reading the dungeon journal never hurts. In all the HoTs that I've run, people have been mostly understanding. If you get someone that wants to be a douche, ignore them.

My pally had 355ish iLevel when I ran him through all the HoT instances, and the only time we almost wiped was at the end of WoE because no one killed the two debilitators keeping Tyrande from killing the adds. On my shaman, who was maybe 358, the only time we died was on Tyrande when no one was interrupting her big AoE. On Arcurion, I had to throw down my Spirit Link totem. It really wasn't that bad.
#96 Dec 20 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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How is it BAD info if it will help them?! Plus MELEE hit cap was right and I mentioned i was off about the caster hit. I'm sorry if your failing to read is my problem. Also learn the flipping difference between NO and KNOW. Also whats a better slot to fill a BLUE SLOT with if you don't want to loose the RED gem bonus ALL MELEE DPS HAVE IN THE HELM? Maybe if you thought about 3 steps ahead you wouldn't be QQing now.

Hit is a blue stat, too. For an item with 1 blue socket and a +20 primary stat socket bonus, you should use a purple +20 (Str/Dex/Int) and +20 Hit (or spirit for S priests, Boomkins, and Ele Shaman).

If there is 1 yellow socket, you use an orange +20 primary/+20 crit/haste/mastery, depending on what is best for your spec.

In almost all cases, you ignore socket colors when the bonus is +10 primary, any amount for secondary stats, or requires two non-red gems. There are some exceptions, like TG Fury warriors and crit, but not many. Since DPS meta gems are all "requires 3 red gems", there's no need to worry about socketing to activate your meta gem.
#97REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) once again.. you shouldn't need to gem or reforge for hit. With your character's proper gear on hit will come naturally.
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DarkPoet2011 wrote:
once again.. you shouldn't need to gem or reforge for hit. With your character's proper gear on hit will come naturally.


This statement really proves a lot.

I will use my hunter for example. If I just left my hit at whatever it is at on gear right now I think I would be 1.5% over hit cap (give or take). Now by doing actually proper gearing by gemming and reforging the way I should be I have my it down to being 1 hit rating over cap. Saying if your not at perfect hit rating with straight gear numbers is just ridiculous.
#99REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 1:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) also once again.. NOT everyone who reads these are MASTERS OF THE GAME.... what i posted would get them to break the 10K dps and how easy it actually is. I mentioned before you can nit pick and push more out but if their goal is to break 10k they can easily do it with what I posted. QQ all you want and demand I'm wrong but my post was to get them to break 10K. Following what I posted they should have no problem with that.
#100REDACTED, Posted: Dec 20 2011 at 1:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Once again read the title of the post. You are already over the 8%.... no need to go for any more hit or forge for it. The post was for people who DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE CLUE. Not a post for FINE TWEAKS. But thanks for proving that the GEAR ALONE gets your hit at what it needs to be and beyond like I was saying!
#101 Dec 20 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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You gem hit in blue sockets because it enables you to reforge some more hit into something else.

Provided the socket bonus is 20+ of whatever primary stat you use.
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