Wow add-ons cheating?Follow

Within the game, yes, which is why I don't consider add-ons cheating within the game.

What I'm arguing, poorly, but I blame the language barrier, is that the word 'cheating' is defined by the rules of the context it's used within. You can say that using a motorboat in a contest isn't cheating if it's allowed, but by doing it, you're gaining an advantage over those already using a sailboat.

I guess that doesn't make more sense than the previous handful of posts I made. Sigh. Stupid vocabulary needs to increase in size.

Okay, try this one. You're out running with your mates when you decide to see who can get to the finish line first. Falling behind, you decide to cut through a couple of gardens to catch up. Your mates claim you're cheating. You claim you were just doing what they could have done to get even further ahead.

Does that... does that make sense?

Guess not. Whatever, ***** this discussion, I'm going to go read a dictionary or something.

^This - see this? This is trolling. This is the definition of trolling.

That's the problem. Your English is very good, but sometimes you try to force things into mildly awkward constructions based on your perception of how the language should work.

Take gemuetlichkeit vs. hygge vs. cozy and you may see how the dictionary sometimes fails to convey fine distinctions that a native speaker might find minor, yet important.

The problem is that I'm trying to discuss ethics in a secondary language.

Discussing ethics in Danish is hard enough.

Worse yet, I teach it to non-native speakers and they're from all over the world.

Blizzard does design raids taking addons into account.

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With that said, addons are not third party programs acting independently of World of Warcraft. They are bits of code utilizing the lua that Blizzard has created for people to modify their user interface. Many addons are really a fancy combination of code and macros. For example, healbot could be replicated with a series of mouseover macros and proper settings to raid frames. Recount only parses the data being spammed continuously in combat logs. DBM just reads your combat log and pops a warning up to predetermined triggers.

Back in the day people used horses to get from Point A to Point B. Today we drive cars. I couldn't for the life of me know where to even begin driving a horse. Does that mean I'm cheating? We're use to addons. They do things that Blizzard has admitted they should be including the game themselves. Many of the improvements to the game we've seen over the last couple of years are bad imitations of addons we've been using for years.

Yeah, because Blizzard doesn't know what addons are around, or what can be done with addons. Especially raiding where certain addons are pretty much non optional Blizzard balances stuff with those addons in mind.
Basically, you're a ****** RAW.

There is a huge Genera of players in this game who's "fun" it is to make addons. There are forums and communities that have sprouted up just to make and tweak and look for feed back on their addons they made for world of warcraft. Looking at your posts in this thread it is obvious your are just trolling and fanning some flames, If Blizz thought this was cheating they would have Banned this a long time ago, insted they have embraced Modding because they know people will do it anyways. Instead now we have a community we can embrace that has only made the game better for everyone. Don't like Mods and YOU personally think their cheating? simple don't use em, Macro everything up and go to town. Have you done 25 man raiding w/o mods before? I have, (yay for after patch raiding!) it's not much more difficult. It's the people that define a successful raid not the Addons. A good player is a good player, they won't need anything to do their job.

Funny because you don't really mention this in your OP. Why introduce the word 'cheating' if that's not where you wanted the thread to go. Oh right, :troll: on.

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Bingo. Look at the raid mechanics since Vanilla. They have become far more complicated with timers, boss % abilities, multiple sub-bosses, all running on their own timers with abilities that will kill you with little warning without having multiple focus targets (not possible) or a ton of macros/clicking to switch between the ones necessary. I know I've seen a blue post, probably a couple years ago saying that they acknowledge the abilities of addons when they create current raid encounters, I really wish I would have bookmarked it.

@Mazra in your race post (with the shortcut), if it was defined in the rules that a person can go from A to B in any path they desired as long as they got there on foot then that would be fine. Otherwise it would be like showing up barefoot versus running shoes to a race - both will get you from A->B but one will make it easier for you (and your feet).

@Raw, this argument is old and dead and needs to be put 6 feet under next to Rivendale's horse.



When I played (can't believe it has been about a year since I unsubscribed!) I used a ton of addons, not all were for advantages though, a lot were for just a graphical change of the screen (different action bars, minimap, etc) but a lot were helpful (quartz, decursive, dbm, powerauras, to name a few).

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 11:06am by Anobix