So outside ONE boss fight in the new heroics "Lady Elune" anyone find the rest of them pretty easy?
Well easy as in anyone who should be doing the proper DPS and HPS in there and knows not to stand in things that hurt can play one handed which watching youtube in another window easy!
Now once again we got people queuing in doing 7-9k dps when their DPS should be apx 15k+....
So to anyone who actually reads these post if you can't throw up at least 12k dps and have under 100k manna as a healer please don't que for them... just get your points & gear by running the older ones until you throw up those numbers....
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People here generally don't fall into the fail category.
On a side-note, I'd take a healer with 99k mana over a healer with 100k mana if the 99k mana healer was better. My Shaman only recently broke 100k mana, despite wearing some pretty high ilvl gear and two +Ãnt trinkets. My Druid, on the other hand, has been at 100k+ since he started healing heroics.
Gear ≠skill
We established this rule somewhere during Vanilla.
That said, I feel your frustration. I've run every single one of the new heroics over and over to cap my VP while gearing up and I was topping meters as the tank on more than one occasion.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2011 7:30pm by Mazra
People here generally don't fall into the fail category.
On a side-note, I'd take a healer with 99k mana over a healer with 100k mana if the 99k mana healer was better. My Shaman only recently broke 100k mana, despite wearing some pretty high ilvl gear and two +Ãnt trinkets. My Druid, on the other hand, has been at 100k+ since he started healing heroics.
Gear ≠skill
We established this rule somewhere during Vanilla.
That said, I feel your frustration. I've run every single one of the new heroics over and over to cap my VP while gearing up and I was topping meters as the tank on more than one occasion.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2011 7:30pm by Mazra
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...if you can't throw up at least 12k dps and have under 100k manna as a healer...
Healers are supposed to do 12K dps? Talk about shifting goalposts.
Lady Elune? There's no boss named that. Did you mean Queen Azshara, or Echo of Tyrande?
A lot of them are easy, especially the third one, but they at least provide interesting mechanics a lot of the time. Except the third one.
My biggest complaint is the voiceacting. But that's typical of WoW, so I don't know why I'm not used to it at this point.
There will always be idiots in the LFD tool, frankly. You just have to deal with them or votekick them.
A lot of them are easy, especially the third one, but they at least provide interesting mechanics a lot of the time. Except the third one.
My biggest complaint is the voiceacting. But that's typical of WoW, so I don't know why I'm not used to it at this point.
There will always be idiots in the LFD tool, frankly. You just have to deal with them or votekick them.
selebrin wrote:
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...if you can't throw up at least 12k dps and have under 100k manna as a healer...
Healers are supposed to do 12K dps? Talk about shifting goalposts.
Only on Mannoroth.
Seriously @#$%ing love disc priest healers on that fight.
Honestly I think the only fight in the whole set that's even remotely challenging is Echo of Sylvanas, and even that's only because of the timing and coordination needed on the ghouls. (maybe Tyrande because people like to stand in stars and lasers.)
That being said, I can't complain that much. They're still fun despite being super easy (especially when compared to the difficulty of previous added 5-mans like MGT and the ICC ones.)
That being said, I can't complain that much. They're still fun despite being super easy (especially when compared to the difficulty of previous added 5-mans like MGT and the ICC ones.)
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Karlina wrote:
Honestly I think the only fight in the whole set that's even remotely challenging is Echo of Sylvanas, and even that's only because of the timing and coordination needed on the ghouls. (maybe Tyrande because people like to stand in stars and lasers.)
That being said, I can't complain that much. They're still fun despite being super easy (especially when compared to the difficulty of previous added 5-mans like MGT and the ICC ones.)
That being said, I can't complain that much. They're still fun despite being super easy (especially when compared to the difficulty of previous added 5-mans like MGT and the ICC ones.)
Echo of Tyrande was the hardest one for me as a healer, mostly because interrupting Stars of Elune is apparently really hard.
Getting blamed for being a bad healer when 2 DPS like to stand in the purple/green/white swirly stuff is an added bonus.DarkPoet2011 wrote:
So outside ONE boss fight in the new heroics "Lady Elune" anyone find the rest of them pretty easy?
I find them fun. If you feel they're below your skill level, please refrain from queing up for them. I do not want to end up in a group with you and have you ruining my fun because my DPS and/or heals doesn't meet your expectations.
In fact, feel free to que up with your guild instead and you guys can plow through it with one hand while watching youtube.
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Jerk.
ACLinjury wrote:
DarkPoet2011 wrote:
So outside ONE boss fight in the new heroics "Lady Elune" anyone find the rest of them pretty easy?
I find them fun. If you feel they're below your skill level, please refrain from queing up for them. I do not want to end up in a group with you and have you ruining my fun because my DPS and/or heals doesn't meet your expectations.
In fact, feel free to que up with your guild instead and you guys can plow through it with one hand while watching youtube.
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Jerk.
This reminded me of an encounter I had with a "DPS" on the Sylvanas Windrunner fight. Trash takes a little longer than usual to get down, but we get through. We pull the boss, get to the first time where you have to kill one of the ghouls, and only one DPS is helping me. We wipe, obviously, and I go to look at recount. The pally did around 3k DPS, and the warlock notices he has a shield equipped as we're running back. I inspected him, and he's spec'd Prot, and wearing a mix-and-match of greens and low-level blues. He obviously had epics (or crafted PvP blues) somewhere, but he wasn't wearing any of it.
He had to be trolling heroics, because he said he pays his subscription, and he didn't have righteous fury up, so he could play however he wants. I pointed out that Prot isn't a DPS spec, Ret is, that's why it has the sword next to it. He didn't care, and insisted that he had every right to play his way. We ended up kicking him from the group, getting some new DPS, and blowing through the rest of the instance.
Oh boy... special snowflakes are so much fun to run into. =x
I think the biggest problem with the folks that are going to run it their way and everyone else be damned is that: They probably have never run with a good teaching group. I see it way too often running randoms. There are two ways to go about telling someone that they suck. The worst way to do it is to complain about their dps and make them feel bad about it. The best way is to mention ways to increase their dps. Too many folks choose the first option right away. This attitude in turn causes the poor players to bark back at you as soon as you try to help them.
TL;DR : In general, if people weren't jerks we would have better players.
TL;DR : In general, if people weren't jerks we would have better players.
Moonkissed wrote:
I think the biggest problem with the folks that are going to run it their way and everyone else be damned is that: They probably have never run with a good teaching group. I see it way too often running randoms. There are two ways to go about telling someone that they suck. The worst way to do it is to complain about their dps and make them feel bad about it. The best way is to mention ways to increase their dps. Too many folks choose the first option right away. This attitude in turn causes the poor players to bark back at you as soon as you try to help them.
TL;DR : In general, if people weren't jerks we would have better players.
TL;DR : In general, if people weren't jerks we would have better players.
I have to say that my first experience of Cata randoms is a distilled version of the WotLK ones. The only conversation was "Hi" at the start and "Thanks" at the end. And it was me saying both
Oh and I did say "I've not been here before" on the ones I hadn't. The speed we were running gave very little time to type (I can't type one-handed while mouse-running like some smartasses). I guess if you bogged down over fail then there is time for the ******************
I did see one incredible piece of cheek yesterday while taking my 78 through CoS. We had one guy on follow and doing about 500 dps. If I was the kicking sort I would have but it is so unlikely I'll ever see him again why bother. We 4-manned it with our iLvl 272+ gear just fine.
Wherever I go - there I am.
I like to help people, but sometimes I have no earthly idea how. I joined a FL raid with my guildies last night, to help out one of them who needs to siphon essences for his legendary. They weren't exactly discriminating in who they brought along and we had one particular person who was particularly bad. This shaman was bad. Really bad. Not only were they only doing 10k DPS, but they couldn't grasp simple mechanics and had no situational awareness at all. That really isn't something you can teach, it's something people have to learn for themselves. This guy got caught in crystal traps on Shannox not once, but twice. Probably didn't help that he had 8 missing gem slots and 4 or 5 items that weren't enchanted.
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Probably didn't help that he had 8 missing gem slots and 4 or 5 items that weren't enchanted.
Responding to OP:
As for the new heroics... oh em gee, they've been out a week, you're pugging, and expect everyone to A) know the fight mechanics, B) be suitably geared, and C) treat it like heroic raiding. It just doesn't happen.
One could make various arguments about ilvl requirements, class/group makeup, impersonal cross-server dungeon finder apathy, or any number of other valid points. Either way, I'm content that I'm playing as well as I can.
If only I didn't have to put up with dks bragging about winning a need roll on the agi trinket, to vendor ... >.<
Azaza wrote:
If only I didn't have to put up with dks bragging about winning a need roll on the agi trinket, to vendor ... >.<
^ This is the only thing that bothers me about the new stuff as well. It seems that the new "in thing" these days is to basically hit NEED any time the button is enabled >< like someone hitting need on a BoE 378 epic item cause they are the only ones who can, while they are wearing a 397 in that slot! Then when i call them on it, IM the @#%^??
As for the baddies, i dont mind them, i just remind myself that we were ALL NEW to wow at some point! I find patience and well explained fight mechanics, although slower than kicking and replacing with a better player, turns out to be much rewarding in the end when we down a boss! Even when it takes 3 or 4 trys to kill a boss that i facerolled through with the previous LFG random.
Guess what im trying to get to with all this is that people need to be more forgiving to the "bad" players and try to help them become better rather than just kicking them!
ps. SLOWWW DOWN I LIKE TO LOOTS/SKIN!!! o.O
Edited, Dec 6th 2011 1:06pm by demegod
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