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#27 Dec 09 2011 at 4:11 AM Rating: Excellent
Just finished LFR myself. At first I was excited, but now that I've had a chance to digest it, I'm pretty disappointed too. I'm actually regretting doing the year long pass thing. I've never played any of the other Diablo games, so I can't really say I'm going to be getting anything out of it now.

Oh well. =/ I still enjoy raiding, and I'm really enjoying my shaman, but I'm thinking it might be best to call it quits and move on to TOR when I am able to get a hold of it.
#28 Dec 09 2011 at 4:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Oh well. =/ I still enjoy raiding, and I'm really enjoying my shaman, but I'm thinking it might be best to call it quits and move on to TOR when I am able to get a hold of it.


I'm kind of in this same boat at the moment as well. I'm thinking I'm going to wait until I can try Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World before jumping ship, but I might end up with TOR beforehand anyways. Despite my complaints in another thread, the game is still just an assload of fun.

It's kind of sad, I had this fantasy of playing my main until WoW was shut down. I often wondered where I would park him when the servers went offline for good. But I don't think it's worth it to stick around that long. Maybe I'll come back when they announce the end, but there's better stuff on the horizon than the abortion Mists is looking like.
#29 Dec 09 2011 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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Don't get me wrong, they could still have played out the whole Harrison Jones coming to save you bit, but it should be more believable, perhaps "trapped in a magically created field that completely prevents you from using your powers" kind of thing, not "he has a gun, proceed to wet yourself".


But you were! Its called a cutscene Smiley: smile

As a casual altoholic it doesn't worry me too much if people don't jump about for me. In fact in the places they do in Icecrown etc it is a bit embarrassing. I feel like I should be apologising - "Sorry I'm not here to save you I just need some more herbs".

And as an Altoholic I can play WoW and SWTOR Smiley: smile I don't have to go full out on one. Of course it means I won't really get anywhere but I'm used to that.

The game already stretches credibility on so many levels that one more seems very little different. Yes I'd be sad to see the dragons gone from Azeroth but I'm sure if I go to Wyrmrest Temple they'll be there for business as usual just like Arthas still appears to zap Drakuru despite having been non-stop serially killed by everyone except me.

And if the lore-twisters at Blizz need them for the next expansion then Alestacza's eyes will light up and it'll be "Deathwing was only a setback"

What confuses me more - not being privy to the endgame - is why I have a Blue dragon wittering incessantly over Stormwind. Last I heard we were fighting the Blue flight. I guess Malygos was only a setback too.

Confusion caused by trying to square the circle of a persistent world that also changes as you progress.
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#30 Dec 09 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
I'm undecided about MoP to be honest. I think pandas could be a lot of fun, and I like the idea of an Asian themed expansion. But having the focus be on the war between Horde and Alliance really doesn't do much for me. At least not the initial idea of it anyways. Maybe things will get exciting for me when I have a chance to look at the beta, but for now I'm just feeling meh about it.
#31 Dec 09 2011 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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2) You've spent four full games trying to convince me that the Horde are bad ...


Wait, what? Since when did they begin this? Granted, I've only been playing since the beta back in 2004, but I don't remember Blizzard trying to string the Horde up as the bad guys. Quite the opposite, actually.

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Can we get to a real enemy now? One that I actually care about?


Don't worry! Next expansion you'll be fighting the enemy within yourself and war itself.

Groovy, right?
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#32 Dec 09 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
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2) You've spent four full games trying to convince me that the Horde are bad ...


Wait, what? Since when did they begin this? Granted, I've only been playing since the beta

I think he means from an Alliance point of view. Since the start of the game, Blizzard's tried to work up hate between the two sides, and it just kinda feels half-hearted.
#33 Dec 09 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
What...what exactly does everyone expect out of this game?
#34 Dec 09 2011 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
ekaterinodar wrote:
2) You've spent four full games trying to convince me that the Horde are bad ...


Wait, what? Since when did they begin this? Granted, I've only been playing since the beta

I think he means from an Alliance point of view. Since the start of the game, Blizzard's tried to work up hate between the two sides, and it just kinda feels half-hearted.


Oh yeah, definitely agree there.

Hell, as a Horde player, I've practically heard nothing of the Alliance all expansion long. Wasn't until I transferred my Druid over that I realized it's still a playable faction.
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#35 Dec 09 2011 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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What confuses me more - not being privy to the endgame - is why I have a Blue dragon wittering incessantly over Stormwind. Last I heard we were fighting the Blue flight. I guess Malygos was only a setback too.


Malygos was corrupted, and some of the Blue Dragonflight was as well, but not all of them. Kalecgos is a decent guy, and that blue dragon above Stormwind is one that players helped Kaleg save from another blue dragon who isn't a decent guy. This was because she was needed to help Kalecgos win the vote to be the nest Aspect of magic, rather than Maly's evil kid.
#36 Dec 09 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
Mazra wrote:
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Mazra wrote:
ekaterinodar wrote:
2) You've spent four full games trying to convince me that the Horde are bad ...


Wait, what? Since when did they begin this? Granted, I've only been playing since the beta

I think he means from an Alliance point of view. Since the start of the game, Blizzard's tried to work up hate between the two sides, and it just kinda feels half-hearted.


Oh yeah, definitely agree there.

Hell, as a Horde player, I've practically heard nothing of the Alliance all expansion long. Wasn't until I transferred my Druid over that I realized it's still a playable faction.


Have you not quested in S. Barrens yet? Smiley: tongue There is tons of opposing faction hatred going on there. It's a ******* warzone for crying out loud.
#37 Dec 09 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Mazra wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Mazra wrote:
ekaterinodar wrote:
2) You've spent four full games trying to convince me that the Horde are bad ...


Wait, what? Since when did they begin this? Granted, I've only been playing since the beta

I think he means from an Alliance point of view. Since the start of the game, Blizzard's tried to work up hate between the two sides, and it just kinda feels half-hearted.


Oh yeah, definitely agree there.

Hell, as a Horde player, I've practically heard nothing of the Alliance all expansion long. Wasn't until I transferred my Druid over that I realized it's still a playable faction.


Have you not quested in S. Barrens yet? Smiley: tongue There is tons of opposing faction hatred going on there. It's a @#%^ing warzone for crying out loud.


I'm sorry, I've been level 60+ for four years now.
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#38 Dec 09 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
You don't have any classes that still need to be leveled? And I take it you have no interest in going back and doing lowbie zones just to see the story? That's a shame. Hell, the only reason I don't have loremaster on my priest (at least for the under 60 zones) is because I leveled up a priest in the beta and I'd already seen most of the zones from doing that. I really should finish the zones though.
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You don't have any classes that still need to be leveled? And I take it you have no interest in going back and doing lowbie zones just to see the story? That's a shame. Hell, the only reason I don't have loremaster on my priest (at least for the under 60 zones) is because I leveled up a priest in the beta and I'd already seen most of the zones from doing that. I really should finish the zones though.


Going back and doing 60 levels of quests for shreds of lore just doesn't appeal to me.

That's largely why I felt Cataclysm flopped. Half the damn expansion was aimed at players below level 60 - six years after the game had been released. How large could the target audience possibly be?

As for your first question, I don't have a Rogue anymore. I have no desire to go back and level one up, though. I did have a Rogue at level 62 (my old main), but I deleted him to make room for yet another Death Knight (I keep trying to convince myself that the class will be fun eventually).

Edit: Except for ~30 levels with Aeth early on and ~30 levels on my Gnome near the end here, I have gotten nothing out of the zone/quest revamp content.

Edited, Dec 9th 2011 9:58pm by Mazra
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#40 Dec 09 2011 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
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Hell, as a Horde player, I've practically heard nothing of the Alliance all expansion long. Wasn't until I transferred my Druid over that I realized it's still a playable faction.


Have you not quested in S. Barrens yet? Smiley: tongue There is tons of opposing faction hatred going on there. It's a @#%^ing warzone for crying out loud.

Also not sweetness and light: Ashenvale/Stonetalon. I wish leveling was slower - even without heirlooms there were more new zones than one toon can see at level. So I might have missed some other conflict spots.
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There are also some new quests in old zones for higher levels.

But I've really enjoyed levelling new characters through the revamped world and the biggest problem is the accelerated experience that makes zones go grey before you've run the story to the end. Redridge Mountains with it's Rambo homage is classic - even if you don't like Rambo.

But I guess to each his own and everyone has their own way of enjoying it.
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#42 Dec 09 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
Ashenvale, Stonetalon, S. Barrens, Whatchamacallitwood (forsaken second levelling zone), Swamp of Sorrows, Western Plaguelands all have some bits of the conflict between horde and alliance, I dunno if alliance-only zones do as well (aside from Gilneas). Then there's the intro to Vash'ir and Twilight Highlands.

I don't think you're allowed to say "this doesn't get addressed" if you skip half the expansion's content. You're certainly not required to play it, but it exists.
#43 Dec 09 2011 at 5:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think you're allowed to say "this doesn't get addressed" if you skip half the expansion's content. You're certainly not required to play it, but it exists.


So I'm supposed to, what, level up nine more characters because Blizzard decided to go back and revamp **** I've done five years ago?

Come on now. Nothing prevented them from adding some of that factional warfare content to the new levels as well. They sorta-kinda tried in Twilight Highlands, except the developer in charge apparently died, had a stroke, or simply gave up immediately after making two or three quests there.

The only reason I had any kind of cross-faction interaction going during my leveling from 80 to 85 was due to me playing on a PvP server and five million people doing the same "kill boars, bring livers" quests in the same area. Not a lot of Horde vs Alliance in terms of lore, though.
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#44 Dec 09 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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So I'm supposed to, what, level up nine more characters because Blizzard decided to go back and revamp sh*t I've done five years ago?


Was one of my motivations in re-rolling on a new server. Smiley: grin

It's not that bad really. Maybe 3 to level 60 and 3-4 more into the 30s and you'll have seen about everything. It goes pretty fast these days.


Edited, Dec 9th 2011 3:45pm by someproteinguy
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#45 Dec 09 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
3 characters to 60 is still a lot when you've been playing this game for 7 years.
#46 Dec 09 2011 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
You know, I don't think you're allowed to quote me saying "you're not required to play it" then complain that I said you're required to play it. It's part of the game whether you play it or not. If you never go into Vash'ir you can't say "Blizzard talked about this underwater zone with swimming combat and such but never included any sign of it."
#47 Dec 09 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Was one of my motivations in re-rolling on a new server. Smiley: grin

It's not that bad really. Maybe 3 to level 60 and 3-4 more into the 30s and you'll have seen about everything. It goes pretty fast these days.


Leveling up a new character when you've already leveled that character up once or twice during Vanilla alone, though... it gets boring. I've done the first 30 levels of every class four or five times, including Death Knights. Can't even imagine leveling up to 60 on three characters for no other reason than to "experience the full content" of an expansion.

Also, the leveling isn't "omigod how exciting!" the entire time. Some of the stuff is new and interesting, but after 30 levels of doing the same sh*t over and over again, even new and interesting becomes mind-numbingly boring.

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You know, I don't think you're allowed to quote me saying "you're not required to play it" then complain that I said you're required to play it. It's part of the game whether you play it or not. If you never go into Vash'ir you can't say "Blizzard talked about this underwater zone with swimming combat and such but never included any sign of it."


Except you were saying "if you want to experience the full content, you have to go back and do the early levels." Unless reading about it on Wowpedia constitutes as experiencing content.

If you're leveling up a new character, sure, you probably get to see some of the Horde vs Alliance content, but Blizzard should have included some for those who continue the timeline from Northrend, otherwise they should have just reset character levels to 1.

Edited, Dec 10th 2011 1:19am by Mazra
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you can go back without being level appropriate and do it, I always laugh a bit when y'all get on here and "there's nothing to do" but haven't necessarily done the low level stuff, it's all NEW LEVEL CAP NAAAAAAOOOOOWWW! Dungeon gear up heroics gear up raid.... nothing to do.

At the same time....the whole world was redone... not really reinvented though it feels that way in some of the zones. My guildies sign on run a random, sign off, while kvetching there is nothing to do. While I'm clearing zone after zone questing (what my connection allows) with my time. I complete a zone whether the quests are grey or not, I change up what zones I do but if I'm there I'm doing them. There's a whole world to experience, just because you're endgame focused doesn't mean there's not a lot to do.. I still have dungeons from this expansion I haven't seen, not to mention raids.

Yes on my 3rd 80-85 character grinding through the cataclysm zones with their linear / prescribed path it's getting old but when it gets too old I hop to an alt and quest through a zone that I haven't done since Cata.

There's things I haven't touched yet or haven't got very far in like Archaeology, there's professions to work on. There is more than just raid raid raid ... OMG I'm so burned out on this raid they need to put more content...
#49 Dec 09 2011 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Stuff.


Holy cow, all you do is complain. It's a wonder you play the game at all.
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Stuff.


Holy cow, all you do is complain. It's a wonder you play the game at all.


Maz gets grumpy sometimes. We usually try to get him more beer about then.

For what it's worth I can see his point that there's comparatively little of the conflict at end game. It's all Rag is bad, Azshara is evil, Twilight cult is bad, where's Jones taking me now, don't put a squid on your head, etc etc.

Edited, Dec 9th 2011 6:04pm by someproteinguy
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#51 Dec 09 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
Point taken. Still, all of that is being addressed in MoP. "Age of Mortals" and all that, with the "war itself" idea. Right?
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