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#1 Oct 02 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty much quit playing shortly after cata came out when alot of people (myself included) was complaining about heroics taking too long and queue times being awful.

Just wondering how things are going now? Was anything ever done to improve the queue times (or are more people queuing for random heroics?)

They ever do anything to make healing/tanking better. Seemed like before Tanking and healing was really difficult. Just wondering if new gear or updates has eased the stress for tanks/heals any?

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#2 Oct 02 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I accidentally queued for a random heroic when I was trying to queue for the brewfest boss, instead of bailing I stuck it out to see how it was... got the dungeon achievement for regular and heroic at the same time so it's not that bad. Holy paladin.... as holy I don't have to wait too long for queues but as DPS i hit 40 minutes before leaving the queue as I was headed to bed shortly and didn't want to get wrapped up in a 45+ minute run. Maybe the others that were there were geared enough that it let me off easy but it gets me interested in figuring out my internet so I can do more runs more often

#3 Oct 02 2011 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
It depends. For regular heroics, queue times are shorter and runs can be done in as little as 15 minutes now. I'm not sure why the queue times are shorter for the regular ones, as I'd think that more people are running trolls, but meh.

For trolls, it's about the same. A fast troll run is going to take about 45 minutes, and queue times are just as long as ever. To be perfectly honest, there's not a lot that Blizzard can do to make people want to heal and tank. It's a general rule of thumb that most people are ********, and this is true in WoW too. Tanks and healers get more **** flung their way if things go wrong, and some people flat out don't like the stress.

Tanks do have an easier time holding threat though. I thinks Blizz boosted threat output by like 3x or something.
#4 Oct 02 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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In my experience, DPS queues for regular heroics tend to be 8-15m. Trolls are usually 12-20mm.
#5 Oct 02 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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I think it is better now.

Starting a tank is easier than ever (if you don't mind a little work being put in your character in preparation) due to the fact there's several pieces of i-365 gear available from doing Molten Front dailies (and Thrall's "cape" quest), and more people that you see in the LFD system should be wearing purples, rather than blues which always makes a run easier, but you'll still run into idiots no matter what.

Hopefully, next expansion, Blizz would have learned from their mistake and make Normals give JP from the start. That's why Cataclysm had such a rocky start, there were scads and scads of players who were barely i329 avg (or they were wearing full crafted PvP) Qing up for Heroics because they didn't feel like playing the Lottery with Normal boss drops to get up to a full 333 avg before going to Heroics.

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#6 Oct 02 2011 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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I queued for a specific heroic last night and ended up only being in queue for about 25 minutes, so it wasn't too bad.
#7 Oct 02 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Good
Okay, it must be getting better then. Granted I haven't done a troll heroic in about a month now. My priest doesn't need VP at all, and I've just been lazy about getting my mage and druid VP capped every week.
#8 Oct 02 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
To be perfectly honest, there's not a lot that Blizzard can do to make people want to heal and tank.


If they give me back my Restoration Druid, I'd pick up healing again. Tanking has already been reverted to Wrath (and more for the lulz), so there's still hope.

As long as they want me to play a Holy Paladin in leather, I'll pass.
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#9 Oct 02 2011 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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The wait time for a tank is zero. Healers < 7 minutes (Usually about 5). DPS is roughly 15-20 minutes.

The heroic times (To complete the instance) range.

Normal heroics are a lot shorter. The troll heroics take a while.

The bosses are easy - it's the trash pulls that will kill people. This isn't because the trash is particularly hard, it's more because people don't CC as much as they should.

#10 Oct 02 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
How do you feel like a holy paladin in leather? O.o I'll admit, I haven't played a holy paladin at max level, but druids are still very much about their HoTs. AFAIK, holy pallies have always been direct heals.
#11 Oct 02 2011 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maz doesn't like the three tiered heals model that Resto druids were shoe-horned into. Combine that with the fact that Regrowth is the weakest "flash heal", and Maz hates the direction Blizz went with Resto. Druids in Cata use direct heals a lot more than HoTs, where we used to roll HoTs on everyone and occasionally cast Nourish.
#12 Oct 02 2011 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
That's true. I know healing is different than it was in Wrath, but I don't see how you can compare Druids to Pallies in terms of style.
#13 Oct 02 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
That's true. I know healing is different than it was in Wrath, but I don't see how you can compare Druids to Pallies in terms of style.

Pallies traditionally healed solely with direct, single-target heals. Druids have taken a big step toward healing with direct heals. That's not to say I agree with Maz, all healers have some things in common now. There are a few things I would have done differently with Druid heals to try and preserve the HoT-style healing.
#14 Oct 03 2011 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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What Astarin said that I said.

I've been used to healing with HoTs for the last five or six years. Suddenly I'm supposed to be throwing direct heals everywhere. It's not the style itself that irks me, but that they forced it onto a class that already had a style.

I'm an old fart who hates homogenization. I don't want the appearance to be the only difference between classes.
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#16 Oct 19 2011 at 1:53 AM Rating: Good
Well that was descriptive.
#17 Oct 19 2011 at 3:58 AM Rating: Good
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softisland wrote:
I agree with this opinion.


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