Where did you get that there won't be any T13 from VP? I don't recall reading that anywhere.
NVM, just read the edit of the post from last night on MMO-Champ. That's odd. It'll definitely be nice from the stand point that there'll be less pressure to get tier gear via VP first and then the other pieces.
Edited, Sep 19th 2011 2:54pm by PigtailsOfDoom
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Borsuk wrote:
Patch 3.0 ~ Nov 2008 - Wrath v1
Patch 3.1 ~ Apr 2009 - Ulduar
Patch 3.2 ~ Aug 2009 - Col
Patch 3.3 ~ Dec 2009 - ICC
Patch 4.0 ~ Nov 2011 - Cata v1
Patch 4.1 ~ Apr 2011 - **No Raid**
Patch 3.2 ~ Jun 2011 - Firelands
Patch 3.3 ~ ???????? - ????????
That's correct right? The times and all?
Patch 3.1 ~ Apr 2009 - Ulduar
Patch 3.2 ~ Aug 2009 - Col
Patch 3.3 ~ Dec 2009 - ICC
Patch 4.0 ~ Nov 2011 - Cata v1
Patch 4.1 ~ Apr 2011 - **No Raid**
Patch 3.2 ~ Jun 2011 - Firelands
Patch 3.3 ~ ???????? - ????????
That's correct right? The times and all?
Patch 3.0 ~ Nov 2008 - Wrath v1
Patch 3.1 ~ Apr 2009 - Ulduar
Patch 3.2 ~ Aug 2009 - Col
Patch 3.3 ~ Dec 2009 - ICC
Patch 4.0 ~ Nov 2010 - Cata v1
Patch 4.1 ~ Apr 2011 - **No Raid**
Patch 4.2 ~ Jun 2011 - Firelands
Patch 4.3 ~ ???????? - ????????
FTFY.
Edited, Sep 19th 2011 5:15pm by Lyrailis
Ugh. They're reusing some models for some bosses. Specifically, Vezax's model and one of the new Faceless models. I hope they're just placeholders.
Thanks for the fix.
I still find it a bit frustrating. I was never a fan of tier 3.2 (Crusaders), but it was another tier.
Right now, I can honestly say I like Cata's base raid tier.
The troll heroics could be effectively farmed for one toon in ~2 weeks if you were casual.
I missed most of FL (I was away), so I missed that tier.
Now we are looking at a situation where we are going to have the Deathwing Heroics (Revamped ICC Heroics) and a final raid.
I never thought of Ruby Sanctum as an actual raid. It was after the fact...
That just seems very light for an entire expansion. I really feel like FL was supposed to launch in 4.1 - either on its own or with the troll heroics. I think the state of the game (tuning, balance, whatever you want to call it - I'll call it "State of the game") was too out-of-whack to launch a new raid tier at that time....
I don't know.... 3 tiers????
I still find it a bit frustrating. I was never a fan of tier 3.2 (Crusaders), but it was another tier.
Right now, I can honestly say I like Cata's base raid tier.
The troll heroics could be effectively farmed for one toon in ~2 weeks if you were casual.
I missed most of FL (I was away), so I missed that tier.
Now we are looking at a situation where we are going to have the Deathwing Heroics (Revamped ICC Heroics) and a final raid.
I never thought of Ruby Sanctum as an actual raid. It was after the fact...
That just seems very light for an entire expansion. I really feel like FL was supposed to launch in 4.1 - either on its own or with the troll heroics. I think the state of the game (tuning, balance, whatever you want to call it - I'll call it "State of the game") was too out-of-whack to launch a new raid tier at that time....
I don't know.... 3 tiers????
I know it seems small after the 4 tiers of raiding we had in Wrath, but every other tier previously had 3 tiers, even if they were staggered a bit in BC towards the end. I thought it was kinda weird how in BC BT and Sunwell were technically part of the same tier, but didn't Sunwell come out months after BT did?
Borsuk wrote:
Right now, I can honestly say I like Cata's base raid tier.
The troll heroics could be effectively farmed for one toon in ~2 weeks if you were casual.
I missed most of FL (I was away), so I missed that tier.
...
That just seems very light for an entire expansion. I really feel like FL was supposed to launch in 4.1 - either on its own or with the troll heroics. I think the state of the game (tuning, balance, whatever you want to call it - I'll call it "State of the game") was too out-of-whack to launch a new raid tier at that time....
Troll Heroics: depends how you define casual, and drop luck.
Missed FL: it's still going on, you didn't miss nothing. 4.3 hasn't even hit the PTRs yet.
FL in 4.1: if you read Dev comments, troll stuff was done while the FL needed a little more work, and they wanted to avoid an Argent Tourney issue where the next raid came too soon. FL didn't get held back, trolls got released early.
Edited, Sep 20th 2011 11:30am by selebrin
I was kind of under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that the extra tier in WotLK wasn't really planned anyway. Or maybe I've just read too many on-line forums talking about the bad bad t9, filler content, extra work for Cata, etc. 
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I know it seems small after the 4 tiers of raiding we had in Wrath, but every other tier previously had 3 tiers, even if they were staggered a bit in BC towards the end. I thought it was kinda weird how in BC BT and Sunwell were technically part of the same tier, but didn't Sunwell come out months after BT did?
Sunwell was kind of an extra half-tier. It was really weird in that they had some stuff to wrap up story-wise, and they also needed more time on Wrath, so they gave us Sunwell to finish things and delay a bit. And made it extra-hard just for the fun of it.
I would much rather have only 3 tiers worth of content than have the abortion they called ToC again. God I hated that place. The entire thing just screamed "filler".
No, you're right Protein. I'm pretty sure the devs even came out and said after the fact, that ToC was filler because ICC wasn't ready yet. It only lasted 3 or 4 months, when each previous tier had lasted 6 months at least. I think that says a lot.
Could you imagine 6 months of ToC?
*shiver*
*shiver*
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Will I be run out of the community if the description of the 4.3 instances makes me think of Guild Wars 2 (dynamic world boss events)?
Fixed.
IDrownFish wrote:
And made [Sunwell Plateau] extra-hard just for the fun of it because Blizzard is full of demented sadists who feed on delicious raider tears (see Brutallus).
Fixed.
someproteinguy wrote:
Could you imagine 6 months of ToC?
*shiver*
*shiver*
My scrub guild at the time only took a month and a half to get ToC on farm and I was bored to tears once we did. So yeah, 6 months of that would have been scary.
TherionSaysWhat wrote:
Will I be run out of the community if the description of the 4.3 instances makes me think of Guild Wars 2 (dynamic world boss events)?
eh, i don't see it, if only from the standpoint of you're comparing an instance with a group of close-knit friends vs. a catch-as-catch-can world event.
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