So i decided to do some Zandalari dungeons.Follow

WARNING: Wall of text follows

(The text that follows is just a brief explanation of some of the stuff that happened to me this weekend, not trying to be informant or anything, so if it does not appeal to you, read no further)

I have 3 characters i try to play. Dk, priest and a mage. Because of RL stuff, i have not been reaching the weekly VP cap lately, something i was planning to do this weekend. Started out on my DK tank, instant pop ;)

First run > ZG. Even before the respective players had gotten time to buff the others, the rogue goes: "Gogogogogo".... I mean.. Common.. "Gogogogogo" is about the worst thing you can say to me when im tanking tbh. It is really annoying. Anyways, after politely telling the rogue to hold his horses, we carry on. Rogue is sitting at 7k dps. Awesome. After first boss, one of the others initiates a votekick of him, and i dont even get to vote before he is gone. Ah well. First boss only went down because of a pro healer btw, all the dps died, due to people standing in the poison etc. We get a warrior in for the rogue, and guess what? He starts out with: "Hey".. 5 seconds... "Gogogogo".. Geeeez... Second boss: Healer goes OOM because he keeps trying to top people off when he is doing his "Bloodletting" ability, if thats what its called. Really? People still dont understand how that works? If by any chance you dont understand, i will explain it: The "dot" takes away 50% of the players hp, every second or so, for about 7-8 seconds. It cant kill that person, when it wears off the person afflicted with it should have about 5k hp left. So just chill out while the dot is ticking, and heal that person up when the dot is gone. No reason to panic;)

Healer did fine the next try, after the explanation..;) The warrior had a hard time moving out of that cone aoe he does tho. Its not easy to see... /sigh Then healer leaves, and we get a paladin in. With 70k mana. That kind of mana pool scares me a little bit tbh. I mean, the healer can be as pro as he wants, but if you dont have the gear for it, sometimes skills just does not cut it. Inspected him, and he had several pieces of pvp gear, leather pants, and ungemmed gear. /yay.. Figured he deserved a chance tho.

After a few ninja pulls and people dying to the "frogger" flame casters, we arrive at third boss. The mage goes: Warrior and hunter on boss, i will handle adds.. Uhm.. I`ve always taken all the adds first, then the boss, to avoid there beeing any adds alive when he reaches phase 2. I suggest that we do it that way, but they strongly disagree. Even the mage decided that he was going to ignore adds. (This is High Priestess Kilnara btw, with the panter adds). So, needless to say, with me all alone on adds, there was quite alot of adds up when he went into phase 2, and we wiped. Tried again to convince them that this was not the way to do it, but they would not listen. Said that i should "pop a few cooldowns" and we would be okay. (.....) Which i of course did..

We try again, and same thing happens. Healer starts swearing at me for losing hp so fast. He is OOM before we reach phase 2, with 8 ish panthers still alive. Awesome. Next thing that happens, i get kicked out of the group. I swore to myself that i would never play my tank again, and after a good 30 minutes of moaning, i log on my priest..;)

Queue as a healer and get into ZA. The pally tank has 136k hp, with the "luck of the draw" buff. Awesome. I inspect him, and he was wearing atleast 3 pieces of Icc gear. The corroded skeleton key (?), the tanking mace(sword perhaps) and the 251 gloves. He says that he has tanked this place before and that its not a big deal. The dps`ers starts "Gogogo"-ing, and also demands that we do timed run. The tank says that he can handle it so lets go. All the dps is from the same guild and seems semi-good geared. Ilvl 355-360 ish. Im sitting at about 365 myself.

First boss and they all hug up together. /facepalm. After a really healing intensive fight, we finally down him, i had to use mana pot, my shadow fiend and even hymn of hope. Average dps is at about 10k. /smack I politely tell them that we are not going to make timed run with this kind of dps, and the fact that the tank needed ALOT of healing, but they sprint on towards the next boss. After a few earlier tries on timed run, ive learned that if you have about 16 minutes left after first boss is down, you are doing pretty good. We had 13 minutes..:(

Hunter pulls the 2 adds that circle around the starting area, mage runs to help, and they both die. The rest of us didnt even have time to get to them. Feign death? Nah, it was not on his hotbar anymore, because of the threat buff they made to tanks. Awesome.. (Not sure if FD works on those adds anyways, but still..)

U know those 4 adds before the bear boss? They really hurt if there isnt used any form of CC. Which of course wasnt used, even if i tried to convince them that it was needed. The tank went down like a sack of potatoes, and after running back in, the mage says that he will sheep one. Awesome. He tries to sheep,but fails. Because u have to wait until they have moved abit from the start. Tank goes down again, even if i put out 17-18k hps, thats nowhere close to keep him alive. And guess what? I get kicked from this group as well.. !)#()¤/!)/¤)!"(!=#(=¤)!¤U

I take the rest of that day off from playing, feeling abit down about it tbh. Even if i knew that there wasnt much i could have done different. (i think..;)

Next day goes alot better, good groups with both tank and healer, except from the casual failer here and there, which isnt a big deal. Funny thing tho, i always queue as healer/dps when im on my priest, but usually end up as a healer. With geared tanks, i spend most of my time smiting/holy fire, and this does wonders..;) I love it! Have to use the occasional shield, and prayer of mending, but the healing done by smite works incredibly good. Get into a ZA group with good geared people after 2 minutes queue. We down a few bosses, i smite my heart out, im abit surprised that the tank hardly needs any healing at all tho. Figures he has alot of avoidance and doesnt pay any more attention to it. Run goes smooth, but before the last boss one of the dps says directed at me: "You really should be doing more dps than what your doing, we have been carrying you this run".
Turns out that i was queued as dps, and that the shammy was actually healing... /facepalm..

They all laughed at it when i explained it to them, and it was all good tho;) Still cant believe i didnt notice.. Thats why im not so harsh on other people if they do something wrong, even the best can mess up at times..:)

Thanx for reading, and i apologise for any grammar mistakes, english isnt my first language..O.o

P.S I even got one of those "Parrot Cage (Hyacinth Macaw) from the "Call to arms satchel"..;) Since i got the whoopin` amount of 7 pets i think, im going to sell it. How much are people paying for it these days by the way? There was one up at AH for 17.5k, but that seems abit high imo.

Cheers

Azena



Edited, Aug 29th 2011 7:52am by Azena

Edited, Aug 29th 2011 8:52am by Azena

Smite healing is awesome.

I leveled my Priest by Smiting my way through dungeons and quite often some random DPS would start to ***** about it. Probably because I was doing more damage than them.

It's a bit harder now that I've hit Cataclysm content, but I still do it on boss fights. I just tell people to move close(r) to the boss and then I keep everyone healed through it. It's a bit harder on trash fights where someone might pull aggro and die unless I focus on them.

LOL that actually made me laugh..

My main is a prot pally and my newest 85 is a Blood DK. With that being said BOTH OF THEM are all fully 353+ geared out running these random ZG/ZA to get valor points maxed my one day a week I play. I've noticed a RASH of PVP geared healers appearing and complaining " I'm squishy" or " Your HP is TOO LOW" when my pally sits at about 200k with next to no fully stam gems and my DK has NO full stam gems either mastery/dodge/parry sitting at roughly 170k. Yet a healer in PVE Blues and greens with 75k manna with the buff comes in after the 2 pvp healers complaing and has a CAKE time healing me... never went below 20% even with that small manna pool.

Lesson being... if your FULLY PVP geared don't complain about people who are fully PVE geared.. skill is skill when it comes down to it and if a tank who is in FULL tanking gear the best they can get without raiding firelands raids is too "SQUISHY" for you then maybe your too incompetent to heal..

And I will note.. my DK was only 80 a week ago... so this whole " can't keep up" is a bunch of BS.. quest give u enough 333 gear and above along with random dungons to fill in the gaps in gear to do heroics.... also from the gold you SHOULD of saved up between questing you should be able to get a 353+ item or 3 from the AH..... I mean within 24 hours of hitting 85 to be nearly max geared outside raiding is EASY..... then again thats being a tank.. I can see DPS struggling a little bit but once your hit raiting is up the stats alone do it....

I dinged 85 on my priest a few weeks ago and religiously ran normals and heroics. Finally, last weekend I got up the nerve to try a ZA or ZG, never having run either before on any character. In 4 attempts I've complete ZG once, ZA twice, and had 1 failed ZG attempt. To be fair, in the failed ZG the tank was so poorly geared we couldn't have finished even if he had known what he was doing.

While they are definitely a step up from heroics, they are not nearly as hard as Kanngarnix made them out to be. I wasn't around for the HoR era of Wrath, so I can't comment on the comparison, but the only difference between ZA/ZG and a regular heroic seems to be the amount of time it takes to complete one. I would imagine things get a little tighter if trying a bear run, but as far as just completing the instance, it doesn't really seem to be that difficult.

1st run- Yeah, bad healer turned it into his word versus yours. You lost. Happens :(

2nd run- You pugged into a guild group. Sadly, you got a bad guild group. Personal note, since you inspected the tank (right away i think) I'd have seriously considered leaving at that point.

3rd run- Lesson learned, "Know your role" lol.

Weekends tend to have more casual heavy populated dungeon runs, so gotta expect some lower performance issues.

Mostly agree with what others have said.

They need to make all tier gear available via heroics. (Meaning LAST Tier's gear - Not current Tier)

It's frustrating that I can not get a 4p bonus on most of my alts because you can only buy some items (Head slot) with a token from a raid that is either no longer run -OR- requires me to have the achievement in order to enter a PUG raid.

Other than that - it's not so bad.

Still beats needing to get a piece of gear to prove you'd done the fight.

I stay away from the Troll dungeons. Honestly I hate instancing now. Healing isn't fun its a test of patience, I miss Wrath dungeons back when then LFG was made for a reason! The LFG was made because new 80s couldn't get dungeon groups so Blizz added the LFG so the more geared would help the lesser geared.

If you were extremely over geared you could carry the lesser geared no problem which doesnt feel that way anymore. Your character might be in epics but you dont feel that way, Im at 359 on my druid and I just cant stand how i seem to play Keep up with most tanks/groups.

Also requirements for raids have always been stupid since back in wrath, stuff like having a GS that outgears the content. Overall the game seems to have lost its 'spark' for me and I already took a break. Wrath raids while not to hard were accessible where now raids feel to involved, where its harder to get PUGs for your alts. I recently just finished BWD on my druid for the first time I was lucky that the guild running it didnt check my achieve that only had 2 bosses down.

Also Dungeons nowa days take way to long, Im fine with 20-40 mins but hour or longer thanks but its not worth my time. I honestly miss the Wrath zerg 15 min when you dont feel like the grind.

Maybe I just need to find a guild active in my time period and get off these Oceanic servers now that my schedule is back to NA time. Any takers?


Edited, Aug 30th 2011 11:47pm by BeanX

I've noticed that on my DK tank.. I've invested EVERY gem I could without loosing a bonus into dodge and parry, I refuse to wear stam trinkets and I'm only wearing dodge, parry, and mastery trinkets and when it comes to 1 on 1 boss fights I tend to do really well in keeping myself up.. even soloing Eagle boss.. but I get these healers that scream " YOUR GEAR SUCKS" I'm in 3 T-11, 3 Item 353's and the rest are 365+... I don't know what I can do any more to my gear to IMPROVE IT when its all tanking Gear that either my main is wearing as well or has worn before his upgrades.. I even got the valor Neck and wrist on.. I'm carrying the jewlcrafted trinkets for dodge and mastery along with soul casket " Yes I know its a spell caster item but until i get earthquake or scales I really don't see the big deal. I had the tanking trinket you get via points but it just doesn't seem useful UNLESS I'm about to die. So I'll take my 300 constant mastery.. I'm sitting at 22% parry 16% dodge and 21 mastery.... yes I know thats no where near the "Tank Cap" but with the gear outside of raiding its the best that can be done.

When my main Pally tank ran though with the same gear no one complained. So is there something I'm missing about DK's?

I will note like I did before most of the complaints come from PVP geared healers, fully Firelands raid DPSers ( who aren't pulling aggro but look at my HP and cringe cause I'm only 20k higher then them) and total douche bags who can't do their job. I've had many blue/green mixed druids and priest have no problem with me in either ZG or ZA so I think it all depends on the player. Now I will note that the pull before bear boss if not CC'd or DPS'd correctly ends up with me blowing ALL my cool downs and dying... but thats a 50% chance.......

Edited, Sep 1st 2011 4:23am by darkpoetinc

ya i often when i know a fight is going to get hot and heavy ( bow chica wow wow) blow my blood tap and get that extra death rune which will give me about 3 death strikes in a row, then hit "god now I can't remember due to being up 72 hours from work" the one that cools down all runes so I get 3 more RIGHT in a row if needed. Like I said on bosses NO PROBLEM. I often look at them with my middle finger in the air laughing. Its just on certian trash pulls if the DPS isn't on the same page as me then I'm screwed. I often think about getting that glyph that uses my chains of ice as a viable TEMP CC just to buy other CC's more time since those guys LOVE to aggro as soon as u step up the stairs.


Also.. the first tiger pulls I've noticed they walk through my D&D like its not even there....... now the other ones ya they immediately get grabbed by it. The same thing has been happening to my pally's concencrate but I use holy wrath RIGHT after and it grabs them...... I've been spamming blood boil to try and simulate the same thing but its like I'm invisible on that FIRST GROUP only. Any one else having simular problems? Maybe cause I'm still in russia... thank god I'm heading back to FL in a few hours and maybe its just the crappy connection here

If D&D is down before the lynxes spawn, they could theoretically run through it between ticks. I think D&D does an initial tick of damage when you lay it down. If that's the case, try dropping it when you see the lynxes spawn, rather than before.

The other option is just to tell your group to stay really close on that first pull.