How are dungeons now?Follow

put it this way, with the item level requirements and how quest greens were better then T-10 leveling is EASY. 80-85 can be done in 12-16 hours with just about any dps class, and 10-12 hours with a tank or healer as long as you got the same skill. Just leveled a BM hunter from 79-83 within 8 hours... 83-84 is the longest but with Twilight Highlands quest giving you quick exp 84-85 is about 3 hours.

As for dungeons the leroy method from the start will not work. CC is a must along with precision DPS on assigned targets. I often get in trouble on my DPS characters due to PVP geared Pallies, DKS, and Warriors thinking they can tank and either ME or my pets have more HP, aggro, and mitigation due to them being RE REs.

That is the only negative I have found. Even though there is a min item level PVP is included in that.... and since level 80- PVP gear is cheap many wanna be tanks can go into it with a few pieces and greens not meant for tanking and suck it up with their buddies.

AS a person who has type of character 85 or pretty close (my hunter is my lowest at 83) I will say leveling is a lot easier this expansion. The quest location improvement and the new interface makes it so anyone with half a brain can go " Oh here to here". Also the NEW dungeon journal makes it as long as you can read before a pull you pretty much can learn a fight off the first attempt..

Comparing it to BC I would say that they kept the challenge but as long as you can get a group of people with a level head and others willing to be a bit creative to overcome other people's weakness " IE my Pet as BM actually can tank better then any of these PVP tanks and thank god the healer saw that so I kept MDing to my pet, and kept growl on and the healer really didn't have to heal my pet nearly as much as he had to heal the tank from AOE damage, or your another dps CLASS that realizes that Healers need to die first then casters then melee dps, or your a tank that actually remembers from Vanilla that Strength dodge parry is tank gear not intel plate and resilience then you should have no problems at all.

To be fair, people weren't saying the dungeons were too hard, just that the effort to gratification ratio was somewhat off-balance. This was back when tanks had their AOE removed because Blizzard thought they were going away from AOE encounters, and healers were balanced towards the triage healing system, which was never implemented. As such, heroics, even normal dungeons, were a regular pain in the *** to run since one mistake often led to a wipe. Sometimes it was just a matter of flipping a coin due to random damage, etc.

The game was ****** up back then. Now it's WOTLK v2.

Pretty much what everyone else has said, with one caveat: it's getting scary for new tanks out there. You've got DPS clad in full ZA gear and rep epics doing their best to faceroll heroics, and they don't care about aggro. It can be frustrating for new tanks to learn aggro management and mechanics when they can't keep a boss on them. This too was a problem during the end of WotLK.

Overall, I think dungeons are pretty good now. Except for Halls of Origination. It's HoS 2.0: it's long, it's boring, and it has Brann - Azeroth's resident moron IT guy.

The perk to HoO though, is that you can skip 4 of the 7 bosses if you are so inclined. Of course this can be a bad thing if you need upgrades from those bosses and the group you're in doesn't want to do them. I do agree that the gauntlet in HoO is annoying, but it's not nearly as bad as the gauntlet from HoS. That place is still annoying.

I like how heroics are now for the most part. Even if you outgear content, if you don't follow certain mechanics, you will wipe. For example, last night I was trying to get the last 50 VP I need to buy some bracers to sell, and I got into Stonecore. Granted it was late, like 4am or so, and I wasn't paying that much attention, but it was bad. We wiped on the first boss once, and wiped two or three times on trash before I left. Doesn't help that I hate that heroic with a fiery passion, but even still. Corla in BRC is another one. Even when you outgear content, most groups cannot handle letting one of the adds turn.

Ya right, Theo. As if you'd ever forget.

Or is it the other way around? I forget.

Come on now Theo. I know you have a smart phone. And if you have a smart phone it's totally unnecessary to actually remember any of that stuff.

There's an app for that!

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 10:28am by Bigdaddyjug

That's what guys without girlfriends say.


Totally true, but what if she decides to test me? "Hold on sweetheart, let me just bust out my iPhone"?

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 12:09pm by Theophany

No, that's what guys who haven't been neutered by their girlfriends say.

Somebody needs to invent that emoticon.

A little smiley cracking a whip. I'd pay for premium just for that.

Whatever you say Maz.


I work for Apple and I write iOS applications in my free time. I think I'm nerdy enough.

WoW is just boring now. And I don't have enough free time.

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 3:23pm by Theophany

Then why is it that all the girlfriends you've described over the years have never sounded nerdy or like gamers eh?

That's why my dwarf runs around in her bloodscale armor farming fel iron.

What?