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I enjoyed it! Good story and lore. Nice reward at the end.

SpoilerWhen Agga was talking about Thrall's desires in the Vash and it showed his desire for children I felt a bit moved I must say. Maybe my biological manclock is ticking and wants me to spawn youth but anyway I digress...

This quest got me to thinking. What if when new content was released it was not just a single daily hub with some generic gather some roots and howl over some kill 10 of these types quests that we will repeat until we hate it for rep grind?

What if when they released new content it was not primarily focused on a new raid instance or a heroic or two?

I think it would be downright brilliant to spawn new and interesting quest lines for 85's throughout the world that tell interesting tales and have decent rewards. Now they don't have to all be epics like the cloak from Thrall. But it would be cool if they were some current teir stuff maybe some 3-5 person small group quest chain endings but plenty of solo stuff as well.

If Blizz wanted to keep its's non raider player base interested in the next patch cycle that would be a great way to do it. I liek to raid mind you but some nights questing mellow by myself in new stuff is a great way to unwind.

Not that the Thrall quest line is relaxing... It was pure chaos but having everyone doing it at once was fun and exciting in a world event sort of way like the opening of AQ or other fond memories I have had in WoW.

Aggra's voice actress is ******* fantastic.

That is all.

Yeah she is. I would so have Aggra's babies if I could! <3 She's such an awesome character.

Is the filthy Alliance version of the quest different from the Horde side? I would hardly call:

SpoilerThrall： I have...failed to Horde...as Warchief...Garrosh...will lead it to ruin...My people...to ruin. Cairne, my brother... why did I not listen?

and

Thrall： GARROSH... Garrosh...
Thrall： CAIRNE WAS MY BROTHER!

a case of Thrall hating Garrosh. Especially when he's under the influence of whatever spell Staghelm cast on him and saying things like:

Thrall： FAILED. I have failed this world...The elements...will not speak to me. The Earthen Ring...has lost faith in my leadership. My weakness...has delivered Azeroth...into oblivion...

He's certainly pissed that Garrosh killed Cairne, regardless of what role the Grimtotem played in the whole thing. While he's ready to chase Gul'Dan across the afterlife or go to war with the Alliance and crush Varian, there was no "Garrosh! I'll carve your heart out with a spoon for what you've done!" Just amplified doubt that Garrosh was the right choice for the Horde, and anger at the death of his friend.

Alliance version is exactly the same.
Damn PvP server.

SpoilerAll the spell did was split his spirit into 4 parts--the emotions felt by each part are Thrall's. When you are in the fire realm, Aggra says she can't believe that he's been holding in all this rage for all this time. It's true that the nature of the realm is causing him to lose control, but he definitely feels those emotions deeply.

Thrall's doubt is no different--he's always doubted his ability to rule. He's just always done it because there was no better option (which, it seems, he hoped Garrosh would be).

And it's no surprise that he'd be so angry at Varian. We see that one of his greatest desires was peace between the Alliance and Horde. Varian declaring war is kinda fundamentally the opposite of that--before then their hostilities weren't in the form of open warfare and were being held back.

The argument that he can't hate Garrosh because he's not vowing to carve him to pieces is hardly impressive, imo. For one thing, we learn that he laments choosing Garrosh when he's being subjected to his doubt--rage isn't a part of that aspect of him. It shouldn't be used in a discussion of his hate, but it does definitely show that he regrets choosing Garrosh, that he strongly doubts his ability to lead the Horde to a good end.

Plus, consider the two more violent testimonies he gives. One is Gul'dan, who is responsible for so much evil (including the deaths of Thrall's parents). Is it really surprising that HE is the one Thrall is desperate to rip to shreds? Even if he were to blame Garrosh completely for the degredation of the Horde and Cairne's death, that still can't equal the evils Gul'dan caused.

And Thrall likely feels that Varian undid all the work of his time as Warchief by declaring war. All the time spent building alliances and friendships, gone. And the members of the Horde instantly began to enrage themselves again. Plus, iirc, war was declared following Wrathgate. Thrall had just lost the one he intended to pass his throne to, and many of his best warriors, to a coup. While he's dealing with that, Varian comes and blames him for it and then declares war? I'd be pissed too.

Imo, his anger towards Garrosh just manifested with the strongest supporting feeling in the firelands. Since he hasn't destroyed the Horde, yet, and that is just part of Thrall's doubt, it isn't his greatest source of rage. Garrosh being so closely connected to Cairne's death was. Thrall had told Garrosh to look to Vol'Jin and Cairne as his most important advisors. Instead, he ignored the wishes of both and ended up in a duel with Cairne, where he proceeded to flay him within an inch of his life.

Besides, is it even possible that Thrall wouldn't be super pissed at Garrosh at this point? Even if he doesn't "HATE" him per se?

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You're ignoring the quest text then. Aggra says that those are Thrall's true feelings, laid bare. He normally exercises great self-control, but they are still there. Even Thrall's anger is truly his, Aggra just states that his massive amount of self-control keeps it in check.

Edited, Jun 29th 2011 11:18am by idiggory

Yeah, I think I misspoke. I was reacting to players who are taking his comments as a sign that he should Spoilerstomp back to Orgrimmar and kill Garrosh or something extreme like that. While his emotions were real and he had been holding a lot in there was no Spirit of Reason to show *why* he was doing so. Repression can be unhealthy but acknowledging those emotions exist is different from believing that acting on them is the right thing to do.

When it ended I was like "ok, now, what about that ritual that only Thrall could do and all that jazz?".
I guess it's a plot hole.

Oh you poor unfortunate soul...




It's okay it got me too.

I thought the accent was decent to good. But what I really meant was that she actually showed decent emotion. It was just so much better than all the other characters around her that I thought it really stood out.

Especially against Ysera. Hers was awful.

At least I'll never have to listen to Sindragosa's screeches again.

Can we all take a moment to consider how atrocious Nozdormu's voice was?



I doubt Spoilerhe hates Varian, because we see that one of his biggest desires is actually to make peace with him. What we didn't see in his desire portion was Garrosh and him reconciling their differences. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but the fact remains that Garrosh has actively inflamed every situation in which Varian and Thrall found themselves face to face.

I think he was just super angry at finding the Horde at war, and Varian was a big part of that. He doesn't actually vow to destroy Varian, if I recall. He vows to destroy the Alliance.

Also, remember the actual situation we are talking about with Garrosh and Thrall. SpoilerGarrosh tried to assassinate him, by selling him out to the Alliance. I SERIOUSLY doubt Thrall's going to retain any affection for the dumbass after that, especially with how reminiscent of his parents' murder it is. The problem is that his duties for the ER are too big and too important for him to do anything about it (which is kinda the point of the whole quest chain--he hasn't been able to act on or express his own emotions, because he's the only one who can stop Azeroth's destruction.

And I'm not inclined to think that Thrall would approve of any of the things Garrosh has done with the Horde.

He sounded like a goblin.

It's not certain, but it's heavily implied in the goblin arc.Spoiler Thrall makes you give Garrosh an SI:7 badge when he's giving the order to induct the cartel into the Horde. Garrosh becomes visibly unnerved and acknowledges that he knows exactly what Thrall is trying to say.

It's tough to think of any other reason Garrosh would be so nervous at that. I think the fact of the matter is that he knows Thrall is a more powerful Orc, and has more support in the Horde, so he tried to take him out using the Alliance, which would have only given him more support in the Horde. The only question in my mind is whether or not it was a collaboration or not--did he leak info to the Alliance or did they know what he was doing?